I think everyone is over thinking it. The rule originally was put in place to keep mages from casting spells through an electronic device. So said mage can't see the president on the tv and nuke him with a fireball or something. It you are using glasses, goggles, contacts, you are fine as long as you are using enhanced vision modes such as low light or thermal or ultrasound(they are by definition electronic enhancement). Vision Mag is not electronic in nature. Using AR or VR to target is right out (Electronic Device).

If you need to find someone in the dark, astral perception. People show up like beacons.

You're interpreting something into the written text that is not there. Your quote, however is a good choice.
Even with your quote, you cannot claim that the entire body needs to be "covered", either. You have no evidence to support that argument.

Also, a target does not need to be fully obscured to receive a cover bonus. At what distance do shadows provide a cover bonus?



Other than the lack of depth perception? Nothing. IN both cases, however, glasses would be in the way. The question here isn't so much about astral perception as it is about astral visibility, though, as visibility is the determining factor in tatgeting spells.


A minor sense of disorientation, but nothing major and certainly something you can get used to. The more important question is: How do you intend to prove that astral visbility originates from the forehead of your astral body?

I imagine he would use the same method you have been using to 'prove' that Astral Perception comes from the eyes.

RAW says it's a psychic sense, not a visual one. Such things (psychic) come from the mind so the mind is the sensing organ.

You mean I am doing the same thing that you are doing??? So it is good enough for you to do, but others are not allowed to do that if it goes against the interpretation that you have decided is correct?

That's pretty much how it seems to go around here. It's only "RAW!!!" if it supports your argument. Otherwise it's useless fluff or something.

By this point I am suspecting D2F in regards to this subject has just entered the realm of elaborate troll and can not be reasoned with since he just denies any evidence as such if it does not fit his narrow view of what the psychic sense does in the astral and how it relates to the physical.

Because it's like a big laser show that broadcasts colours on everything. You're not looking only with thermographic vision, you're getting a thermographic overlay that gives a lot more colour to everything. These aren't your decades old 2010 goggles that flash colours on a flat pane of glass in front of your eyes, blocking your vision. No, these are state of the art 2072 goggles that flash colours on the flat pane of glass in such a way that it is perceived as being out in front of the glass, out where it should be, on the objects that are hot or cold, not right in front of your eyes blocking everything else out. Real 3D, because life is in 3D.

Here, I dug up this decades old image from when people had just started doing things the "right" way: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20000632-48.html