They're busy kidnapping the president.

Thank god. Maybe they will kill him too.
And ninjas get the flaw thing because ninjas are all stealthy and stuff.

Are you a bad enough dude to save him?

Considering the Manouvers i'd rather go and kung fu my sword. Whirling multi strike. Besides you still get to Wu Tang Clan with your polearms as well.

Yeah, you could take a drive and start taking a pretend-ninjutsu class, because even if it actually existed at some point (highly unlikely, since real world assassins and spies usually train to do things in simple ways that work, not in flashy ones that look bad-ass), I somehow don't think there would be an easy to find class teaching it in most major cities in the US...

It's hard enough to find a martial arts teacher that has legitimate ties to the founders of any of the "ordinary" schools, because 9 out of 10 just make shit up to sex-up what would otherwise be an ordinary self-defense and fitness class.

Nope, part of the characters training by the Ninja clan should have included the skills Stealth and Athletics. Like modern day Special Forces, real world Ninjitsu is actually training in several different areas, not just fighting. Where a Green Barret is trained, not only in combat and fighting, but also how to organize communities and train them to be effective cells of resistance in occupied territories, build shelters, and aspects of civil engineering, a Ninja would be changed in observation, stealth, and disguise. Ninjas were primarily spies and occasionally dabbled in assassination (often using distance weapons such as blow guns and bows). In a close fight they would use small swords, weighted chains, a scythe with a weighted chain on the end, and things like that.

Why is it that so many people have it in their heads that Ninjitsu is this super powerful martial art? It wasn't. When it comes to fighting, the focus of Ninjitsu was to eliminate a person target as quickly as possible, often from a position of surprise. In a "fair" fight against a Samurai, the Samurai would likely kick Ninja tail. If you want a martial art that is geared to protracted fighting, pick something like Kung Fu, Jujitsu, or Tai Chi or Aikijitsu (Akido) for those wanting a softer form.

For those interested in actually learning a little history before they gripe about how bad Shadowrun Ninjitsu is:
History of the Ninja
The Illuminated Lantern: Ninja History, Myth, and Cinema

Hollywood -- where else?

-Siege

I do not agree

Just because something is silly and ineffective doesn't mean that too many gullible people are going to pay to learn it just because it's naemd "ninjitsu". I think that's reflected quite well in game terms.

It is stupid to take ninjitsu instead of a more useful combat martial art in SR, just as it is IMHO in real life.

as our history friend should let you know:

it's ninjutsu not ninjitsu.


Look I love this forum but more than a few of you guys have this bad habit of being extremely subtle assholes and sometimes I get sick of it.




What should have been a thread developing into a discussion on how to better do ninjutsu justice in the SR world turned into a "defend the misunderstood martial art from the munchkins".

For super special manuvers or bonuses, why should it? For the extra points you paid for Ninjitsu I would say you have connections with a Ninja Clan. That can be a pretty useful in and of itself. (Unless those points from Hunted are because you are bing Hunted by the clan itself)

You make the moose sad.

Seriously dude, chill. I have scanned the comments and find a total lack of asshole-ness, subtle or otherwise. You asked, people have come out and answered. Sure, you could have found this stuff in google, but isn't it nice that someone found some stuff for you?

And lastly, , please?

It's the only martial art listed that allows a character to use its maneuvers with the Whips skill. That counts for something, I guess. I imagine it would be pretty frightening to watch someone using Ground Fighting with a Monowhip...

I don't know where you live, but where I come from Barrets are matt black. Of course, you could customise...

2) Ninjutsu/ninjitsu is a martial art with emphasis on versatility (at least, that is how it is in the Cannon Companion). The Maneuvers are very deadly if you know how to combine them. Also consider this: Dikoted mono-filament whip weapon focus + Evasion + Herding/Zoning or a Blind Strength 20 Cyclops ghoul ninja adept + Blindfights (adept power + maneuver) + Dikoted weapon foci cyberspurs.

Ninjutsu as written in the CC is prone to being too powerful, the Flaw is a good open-ended way of balancing the character taking this art.

Yes, but a ninja with a whip could Evade(to lower the risk of slicing himself), go Full Defense with Zone(again lower risk of hurting himself), then attack at a lower TN. It is the synergy between these maneuvers that I was pointing out.

I'm letting a character have one. Then again, he has amnesia and doesn't know how he got it.

Green Berets, as in the United States Army special forces. I misspelled it previously.

*shrug*
Use it for NPCs... Availability of 24 or no, something like three fourths of all statted 'ninja' NPCs are armed with monowhips.

Yeah, ok. I'll file that one with rigger brains in Armor: 20 drone jars and ally spirit military armor.

Umm... Dikoted mono-filament? You're making the mono-filament deadlier by coating it with something, thus making it thicker?

I know it's probably legit per R.A.W., but that just offends me as someone with an overactive sense of verisimilitude.

it does, but not to me. I think I'm going to make my own martial art. Using swords, Japanese based.


As for being involved with a Ninja clan...I wouldn't classify that as any kind of benefit, in fact in my case it's a definite disadvantage since that is who is hunting you when you take the hunted flaw...your a renegade.

I got kicked for a week because I mentioned that I wanted to make a phys ad troll with improved buggering-elves and increased attribute - penis, and this guy gets away with this? WTF?

Ok... I nearly pissed myself laughing at the thought of that Troll, being that adepts are my forte, and Troll adepts are a personal guilty pleasure of mine... being that they're downright brutal...