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Garvel
Considering how hard it is to pick a TM out, it is indeed realistic that a prejudiced character will be be suspicious of any hacker that doesn't use an external commlink.
But depending on how intelligent the prejudiced character is, he will probably know that most hackers without an external commlink will use an internal headware commlink, and insulting them randomly will damage his street cred.
Probably he will carry a cyberware scanner with him, to be sure.
But being prejudiced to TMs isn't that unusual in the fluff, so I would allow it.
Kruger
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Oct 15 2010, 06:40 AM) *
That's why you buy a dog that can sniff (matrix-wise and meat world-wise) technomancers, just like Clockworkd did. If Clockwork can be EXTREMELY prejudiced against TM's AI's and sprites, why can't I?
No reason you can't be. The discussion is whether or not it is worth points.

The NQ is supposed to present roleplaying challenges, not just to give you free points for a build. Technomancers are so rare and hard to spot that they would almost be irrelevant as something to be prejudiced against. It really depends on how munchkin you want to be, or how munchkin your GM will allow you to be. Seems like taking technomancers as the target and trying to get free points for them is pretty munchkin unless you're playing up this prejudice to paranoid levels. Which then almost defeats the purpose as you'd have to roleplay being active or radical just to get the points for being biased. Prejudice is another one of Runner's Companion's horribly written qualities that any savvy or sneaky player can essentially convert to free points.
BRodda
QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 15 2010, 10:50 AM) *
Considering how hard it is to pick a TM out, it is indeed realistic that a prejudiced character will be be suspicious of any hacker that doesn't use an external commlink.
But depending on how intelligent the prejudiced character is, he will probably know that most hackers without an external commlink will use an internal headware commlink, and insulting them randomly will damage his street cred.
Probably he will carry a cyberware scanner with him, to be sure.
But being prejudiced to TMs isn't that unusual in the fluff, so I would allow it.


The difference is that Clockwork is a Hacker. He is MUCH more likely to run across TMs then most people. And hating them has a much more dire consequences. The BP should be directly tied to the amount of problems it raises in game.
Garvel
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Prejudice is another one of Runner's Companion's horribly written qualities that any savvy or sneaky player can essentially convert to free points.

I think it would be fine if it just gave 5 BP less.
Garvel
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The difference is that Clockwork is a Hacker. He is MUCH more likely to run across TMs then most people. And hating them has a much more dire consequences. The BP should be directly tied to the amount of problems it raises in game.

As I said before, every runner is much more likely to meet a TM than most people. They could be your teammembers. (Except when you are a hacker yourself, because then you allready have a matrix specialist in your team and wont need an additional TM under normal circumstances.)
Brazilian_Shinobi
QUOTE (Kruger @ Oct 15 2010, 12:29 PM) *
No reason you can't be. The discussion is whether or not it is worth points.

The NQ is supposed to present roleplaying challenges, not just to give you free points for a build. Technomancers are so rare and hard to spot that they would almost be irrelevant as something to be prejudiced against. It really depends on how munchkin you want to be, or how munchkin your GM will allow you to be. Seems like taking technomancers as the target and trying to get free points for them is pretty munchkin unless you're playing up this prejudice to paranoid levels. Which then almost defeats the purpose as you'd have to roleplay being active or radical just to get the points for being biased. Prejudice is another one of Runner's Companion's horribly written qualities that any savvy or sneaky player can essentially convert to free points.


Well, sure, TM's are rare and so are Awakened, yet, pretty much every shadowrunner team will have at least one Awakened among them, even if you said that of every runner team, one has a TM, it is still a considerate amount given the population we are looking at (shadowrunner comunity).
Also, Emerged critters is not something I find awful, it is just one more thing that shows that somehow Emergency and Awakening are somehow connected.
Stingray
QUOTE (Kruger @ Oct 15 2010, 06:29 PM) *
No reason you can't be. The discussion is whether or not it is worth points.

The NQ is supposed to present roleplaying challenges, not just to give you free points for a build. Technomancers are so rare and hard to spot that they would almost be irrelevant as something to be prejudiced against. It really depends on how munchkin you want to be, or how munchkin your GM will allow you to be. Seems like taking technomancers as the target and trying to get free points for them is pretty munchkin unless you're playing up this prejudice to paranoid levels. Which then almost defeats the purpose as you'd have to roleplay being active or radical just to get the points for being biased. Prejudice is another one of Runner's Companion's horribly written qualities that any savvy or sneaky player can essentially convert to free points.

I agree. it is really badly written.. Prejudiced(biased) (Street Mimes) WHEE!! 5 free points.. sarcastic.gif
Yerameyahu
Not like you need that, though: In Debt 30 + Betel (Mild) 5, of course.
Brazilian_Shinobi
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2010, 04:37 PM) *
Not like you need that, though: In Debt 30 + Betel (Mild) 5, of course.


In debt is only really a negative quality if you have to spend most of your montlhy income just to pay the interest. If not, then you quickly pay the debt and gains 60 points worth of karma with a relatively small amount of money.
Yerameyahu
Yeah, we had a whole thread about it. I'm just pointing out that there are lots of stupid NQs. smile.gif
Karoline
Isn't the dog that can sniff out TMs itself a TM? Wouldn't that mean you are prejudice against the only way to spot TMs?

And besides, most TMs will have a cheap external commlink specifically so that they don't stick out for not having a commlink of some kind.
Angelone
How about an allergy to technomancers? wobble.gif

I can attest that an allergy to metal does indeed suck, I am basically allergic to all metals on some level except gold and platinum, and it's a huge hassle and very uncomfortable.
Brazilian_Shinobi
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 15 2010, 05:30 PM) *
Isn't the dog that can sniff out TMs itself a TM? Wouldn't that mean you are prejudice against the only way to spot TMs?

And besides, most TMs will have a cheap external commlink specifically so that they don't stick out for not having a commlink of some kind.


Who said that prejudice has to make sense? I'm prejudiced against metahuman TM's not their animal counterparts and if you say I'm being biased, well, I'M A RACIST!!! What would you expect? Good sense? grinbig.gif

QUOTE (Angelone @ Oct 15 2010, 05:35 PM) *
How about an allergy to technomancers? wobble.gif

I can attest that an allergy to metal does indeed suck, I am basically allergic to all metals on some level except gold and platinum, and it's a huge hassle and very uncomfortable.


Well, I'm allergic to high velocity lead and I don't gain allergy points because of it either.
Karoline
QUOTE (Angelone @ Oct 15 2010, 04:35 PM) *
I can attest that an allergy to metal does indeed suck, I am basically allergic to all metals on some level except gold and platinum, and it's a huge hassle and very uncomfortable.

And you're alive? That's very impressive all things considered. I mean, it would be like being allergic to water.
Neurosis
QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 13 2010, 11:47 AM) *
Would it be ok, to take "Prejudiced against Humanis Policlub" as a quality for a character? I mean, are you really prejudiced, if you are prejudiced against people because they are prejudiced?
Especially if the character is a metahuman himself, is it really that big news, that he is biased against people that hate him for what he is?
Would you allow it as a GM?
Maybe the bonus BP the quality gives should be reduced by 5 in this case, so that you have to be at least Outspoken to get BP.


I'd personally rule that that would require something more like the enemy/vendetta quality, and some backstory. That's just me, though.
Karoline
QUOTE (Neurosis @ Oct 15 2010, 04:58 PM) *
I'd personally rule that that would require something more like the enemy/vendetta quality, and some backstory. That's just me, though.

Vendetta is actually a very good alternative in this case.
Angelone
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 15 2010, 03:53 PM) *
And you're alive? That's very impressive all things considered. I mean, it would be like being allergic to water.


Yeah... somehow I still am. I don't understand it myself. Keys, coins, doorknobs, and most water facites(sp?) mess up my hands throughout the day. The really bad part is I work on trucks 90% of the day.
Karoline
QUOTE (Angelone @ Oct 15 2010, 05:24 PM) *
Yeah... somehow I still am. I don't understand it myself. Keys, coins, doorknobs, and most water facites(sp?) mess up my hands throughout the day. The really bad part is I work on trucks 90% of the day.

Don't forget foods rich in Iron or Calcium or Potassium.

Out of curiosity, any idea if you are allergic to silicon?

Also, I don't know much about metal allergies, but it seems weird that someone could be allergic to gold but not silver or copper (or in your case, allergic to silver and copper, but not to gold)
Angelone
No, I'm not allergic to silicon. I don't know why I'm not allergic to gold or platinum it was explained to me, but I forget the specifics, something about purity or stability. I know I can handle them fine but silver burns like the fires of heaven so does nickle. Those two are the worst.
Karoline
QUOTE (Angelone @ Oct 15 2010, 05:06 PM) *
No, I'm not allergic to silicon. I don't know why I'm not allergic to gold or platinum it was explained to me, but I forget the specifics, something about purity or stability. I know I can handle them fine but silver burns like the fires of heaven so does nickle. Those two are the worst.

Exceedingly odd considering that, chemically speaking, Gold and Silver, and Platinum and Nickle are nearly identical in how they react to stuff.
Yerameyahu
In some ways, only.
Karoline
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2010, 05:20 PM) *
In some ways, only.

In chemically important ways, which is to say the ways that matter.
Yerameyahu
Oh. I guess Gold tarnishes like Silver, and Platinum causes Nickel dermatitis? smile.gif
Garvel
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In debt is only really a negative quality if you have to spend most of your montlhy income just to pay the interest. If not, then you quickly pay the debt and gains 60 points worth of karma with a relatively small amount of money.

We houseruled, that In dept is worth 0 BP at every level. That solved every problem with the quality.

It can still be nice to take the quality for free extra money at the start, but this money is the only advantage it gives.
And you dont have to worry about whether you have to buy the quality off with Karma or not, once the money is payed back.
Saint Sithney
QUOTE (Kruger @ Oct 15 2010, 08:29 AM) *
No reason you can't be. The discussion is whether or not it is worth points.

The NQ is supposed to present roleplaying challenges, not just to give you free points for a build. Technomancers are so rare and hard to spot that they would almost be irrelevant as something to be prejudiced against. It really depends on how munchkin you want to be, or how munchkin your GM will allow you to be. Seems like taking technomancers as the target and trying to get free points for them is pretty munchkin unless you're playing up this prejudice to paranoid levels. Which then almost defeats the purpose as you'd have to roleplay being active or radical just to get the points for being biased. Prejudice is another one of Runner's Companion's horribly written qualities that any savvy or sneaky player can essentially convert to free points.


This.

Also, if I remember the #s correctly, TMs are 1:100,000. So, take the awakened population and divide it by 1000.
BRodda
QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 16 2010, 07:32 AM) *
We houseruled, that In dept is worth 0 BP at every level. That solved every problem with the quality.

It can still be nice to take the quality for free extra money at the start, but this money is the only advantage it gives.
And you dont have to worry about whether you have to buy the quality off with Karma or not, once the money is payed back.


In my games I house rule the "You owe us" clause until it is paid off in Karma. So you can pay off the cash, but you still owe the people who lent it to you. They can ask you to do little favors and such until you "square the debt". And if you don't I start dropping the connection levels to your lowest contacts as the community thinks that you don't take care of your friends.
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