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Dakka Dakka
That's the exact same speed as skimmer discs as cyberware for humans, orks and elves. troll discs go 30/75
Sorry, in vehicle terms it probably should be Acceleration 20/50 Speed 50 or more
Critias
QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 9 2011, 03:20 PM) *
But can you get a hover skateboard?

Ares-Segway Terrier with the Hovercraft Upgrade? cyber.gif
Fauxknight
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 9 2011, 04:24 PM) *
Sorry, in vehicle terms it probably should be Acceleration 20/50 Speed 50 or more


The problem is that while that might sound like a reasonable acceleration stat for someone with hoverfeet, in vehicle terms it destroys anything thats not a high end sports vehicle.
Dakka Dakka
QUOTE (Fauxknight @ Mar 9 2011, 10:37 PM) *
The problem is that while that might sound like a reasonable acceleration stat for someone with hoverfeet, in vehicle terms it destroys anything thats not a high end sports vehicle.
In terms of acceleration yes, but even an unmodified troll accelerates faster than a sedan or subcompact. In terms of top (safe) speed, even a step van is much faster. I'm not mentioning the Jackrabbit as it's top speed is ridiculously low (96 km/h or 80 m/Turn).

I'm fine with that.
Fauxknight
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 9 2011, 04:47 PM) *
In terms of acceleration yes, but even an unmodified troll accelerates faster than a sedan or subcompact. In terms of top (safe) speed, even a step van is much faster. I'm not mentioning the Jackrabbit as it's top speed is ridiculously low (96 km/h or 80 m/Turn).


Thats why I didn't mention speed, just acceleration...not that acceleration actually has anything to do with acceleration in SR4.
Fatum
Not that the whole vehicle movement system makes much sense...
CanRay
Vehicle rules are often wonky. With few exceptions, they're tacked onto personnel combat, which is why they're so.

Personnel Combat is wonky in those few games that are designed around car combat for the same reason.
Epicedion
QUOTE (Fauxknight @ Mar 9 2011, 05:26 PM) *
Thats why I didn't mention speed, just acceleration...not that acceleration actually has anything to do with acceleration in SR4.



QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 9 2011, 05:30 PM) *
Not that the whole vehicle movement system makes much sense...



I either try to avoid the vehicle movement system entirely, or figure that the Walking rate is normal acceleration, while the Running rate is pedal-to-the-floor. Every combat turn you can accelerate up to the running rate per turn (increase your speed by that much per turn) until you hit the Speed rating. The driver and/or anyone in the vehicle suffers a -2 penalty to all actions if the vehicle exceeds its Walking acceleration. Something about braking rates, dunno.

I haven't worked it all out. I just know that a half-finished house rule is better than the vehicle system in the book.

Maybe the vehicle can continue past its Speed to some theoretical Top Speed rating that's some percentage of the Speed, but beyond Speed it accelerates much slower and provides some penalty for driving the car faster than it's designed for. Maybe 125% of the Speed. That'd give the Mercury Comet a Speed of about 82mph and a top speed of about 103.

Well it's not too crazy, anyway.
Fatum
I just devised a homebrew system, where men are men, acceleration rates are acceleration rates, and top speeds are top speeds.
Not that we've actually used it.
Dumori
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 9 2011, 09:09 PM) *
Aren't there skimmer discs already. Just duct tape them to a board. Give them 20/50 speed and use the other characteristics of the discs, finished.

I doubt that the classical hoverboard can fly much higher than 30 cm. BTW do they exist in other fiction besides back to the future?

The 40K universe has them. They are pre-dark age tech and really rear but that have them the RPG has stats too.
Dakka Dakka
QUOTE (Dumori @ Mar 10 2011, 03:12 PM) *
The 40K universe has them. They are pre-dark age tech and really rear but that have them the RPG has stats too.
The only similar thing I can think of are the vehicles of the Dark Eldar Hellions. I doubt though that they work on the principle of an air cushion.
Space Marines IG officers/commissars or Inquisitors on Hoverboards just sound silly and wrong.
Fauxknight
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 10 2011, 09:17 AM) *
The only similar thing I can think of are the vehicles of the Dark Eldar Hellions. I doubt though that they work on the principle of an air cushion.
Space Marines IG officers/commissars or Inquisitors on Hoverboards just sound silly and wrong.


The original game was 1987 sci fi, so mohawks and hoverboards were the norm in the early editions, now only the hellions get them (who even by emo dark eldar standards are just a bunch of punk kids).
Dakka Dakka
Dark eldar are emo? i thought they preferred inflicting pain on others and not themselves. Moreover I never heard about a Dark elder lamenting his lot as a pawn of Slaanesh.
Stahlseele
Yah, Eldar are more Emo. Dark Eldar are basically Chaos Eldar.
Dakka Dakka
That's what I thought
Fatum
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 10 2011, 06:30 PM) *
Yah, Eldar are more Emo. Dark Eldar are basically Chaos Eldar.
Uh, Dark Eldar are even more afraid of Chaos than the Craftworld variety, cause when they die, they are eaten by the Great Devourer, unlike those soulstone-using sissies.
They fear Chaos and loathe it; in no way are they Chaos-aligned.
Stahlseele
They basically worship sla-a-nesh O.o
They are those eldar that did NOT stop their decadent ways.
THEY are more or less who CREATED SLA-A-NESH!
Critias
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 10 2011, 01:54 PM) *
They basically worship sla-a-nesh O.o
They are those eldar that did NOT stop their decadent ways.
THEY are more or less who CREATED SLA-A-NESH!

They created Slaanesh, yes, but they're deathly afraid of it now. Most Eldar have spirit stones that keep their soul in place after they die. Dark Eldar don't; when they croak, they get slurped up by Slaanesh. So they keep living like the rock-star Slaanesh humpers they are, they get more and more depraved over time, and they feed other souls to Slaanesh to try and appease the beast (and, through various rituals, to add to their lifespan).
Fatum
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 10 2011, 09:54 PM) *
They basically worship sla-a-nesh O.o
They are those eldar that did NOT stop their decadent ways.
THEY are more or less who CREATED SLA-A-NESH!

No they don't. At all. See what Critias said, or read the codex already.
Yes, but those don't involve chaos worship.
Well, all Eldar did, not just the darkies.
Yerameyahu
I guess we're discussing a SR4 specialization in Dark Eldar hoverboards?
CanRay
Now I want to make an Emo Orkz Army...
Dakka Dakka
Emo Orks that is sooo wrong.
Tyro
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 10 2011, 12:22 PM) *
Emo Orks that is sooo wrong.

WAAAAAARGH! :'(
CanRay
Da Warbozz cutz hizzelf so he can feelz.
Stahlseele
do orks bleed red?
red wuns cry fasta.
Fauxknight
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 10 2011, 03:03 PM) *
I guess we're discussing a SR4 specialization in Dark Eldar hoverboards?


They're all like "Dude, I'm a hellion, of course I have a specialization in this thing, I'm not allowed to ride any other vehicle."
Manunancy
QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 10 2011, 08:54 PM) *
No they don't. At all. See what Critias said, or read the codex already.
Yes, but those don't involve chaos worship.
Well, all Eldar did, not just the darkies.


Their sacrifices, tortures and the like can be considered as a propiatory worship - that is not as presents to get a supernatural power's favorable attention, but more like a bribe or distraction to keep a bad thing away.

A bit like the roman and their ancestors : their ancestor worship wasn't aimed at winning the dead's support, but rather to keep them happy and out of the living's hair. Failing to properly worship them made them pissed and prone to inflict bad things on their unworthy descendant.
Fatum
QUOTE (Manunancy @ Mar 11 2011, 09:41 AM) *
Their sacrifices, tortures and the like can be considered as a propiatory worship - that is not as presents to get a supernatural power's favorable attention, but more like a bribe or distraction to keep a bad thing away.

A bit like the roman and their ancestors : their ancestor worship wasn't aimed at winning the dead's support, but rather to keep them happy and out of the living's hair. Failing to properly worship them made them pissed and prone to inflict bad things on their unworthy descendant.
Their sacrifices, tortures and the like are designed to prolong their lives, and thus to escape joining the chaos god for a while.
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