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longbowrocks
The topic may have given away my questions, but here I go:
1. The two weapons in the title of this topic have the same DV and AP, but the Gauss has less recoil. I could effectively use that as a sniper rifle. Does the Barret have anything on the Gauss?
2. Pertaining to the above: I would have classified the Gauss as a sniper rifle, perhaps because I played Crysis. What determines a weapon's class?
phlapjack77
Some pertinent discussion
Yerameyahu
Actually, we just had this thread. smile.gif Hold on, I'll find you the link. Ha, ninja'd!

The short answer is that a sniper rifle fires a high-powered rifle cartridge, while an assault cannon fires a small *cannon* round, like a very light tank or autocannon.
longbowrocks
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:15 PM) *
Actually, we just had this thread. smile.gif Hold on, I'll find you the link. Ha, ninja'd!

The short answer is that a sniper rifle fires a high-powered rifle cartridge, while an assault cannon fires a small *cannon* round, like a very light tank or autocannon.

Hm. In terms of game mechanics I don't see much difference, but I guess you do need to buy different ammo for it. Thanks.

Anyway, how about question 1?
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Well... The Gauss has a better AP (Half -4), which is loads better than the Barrett. The Barrett has a better selection of Rounds which it can use.
Yerameyahu
The Gauss is a little more illegal and expensive, fewer ammo options, and it's a Heavy Weapon. And it's a giant cannon.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 08:22 PM) *
The Gauss is a little more illegal and expensive, fewer ammo options, and it's a Heavy Weapon. And it's a giant cannon.


Indeed, what more need be said?
phlapjack77
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 31 2011, 10:23 AM) *
Indeed, what more need be said?

Maybe he will listen to Reason smile.gif
Faraday
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:22 PM) *
The Gauss is a little more illegal and expensive, fewer ammo options, and it's a Heavy Weapon. And it's a giant cannon.

Actually, I'd call the Thunderstruck a rather small "cannon". But it IS awfully big for a personal weapon, I'll give you that. And it kicks ass.
Yerameyahu
You're right. I did mean it's giant, and it's a cannon.
longbowrocks
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 30 2011, 06:21 PM) *
Well... The Gauss has a better AP (Half -4), which is loads better than the Barrett. The Barrett has a better selection of Rounds which it can use.

Which book shows Gauss to have Half-4 AP? my copy of arsenal says just -4.
I didn't think of the Barret's ammo selection though, good idea. couldn't I use AV rounds in it for stacking AP (-4 and -4 = -8 )?
Aw, dang, those are for Assault Cannons.
Yerameyahu
It's in the description rules.

The Gauss must use Gauss rounds.
longbowrocks
QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Mar 30 2011, 06:42 PM) *
Which book shows Gauss to have Half-4 AP? my copy of arsenal says just -4.
I didn't think of the Barret's ammo selection though, good idea. couldn't I use AV rounds in it for stacking AP (-4 and -4 = -8 )?
Aw, dang, those are for Assault Cannons.

Wait! nevermind, AV rounds aren't just for assault cannons.
longbowrocks
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:46 PM) *
It's in the description rules.

The Gauss must use Gauss rounds.

Yes, but the gauss rounds don't have any AP, so I still don't see where he got half-4.
Yerameyahu
That's innate to the gun. Be sure to read that other thread, too.
longbowrocks
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 07:08 PM) *
That's innate to the gun. Be sure to read that other thread, too.

I looked at the other thread and it said the feature was in the errata. I didn't see any related entries in the table of contents for Arsenal, so I just looked up every use of the word "Gauss" in the book. All the mounted Gauss cannons have AP half-X, but I didn't see any generalizations.
Yerameyahu
Yup, it's in the errata (cuz it's an error). Gauss weapons all get it. Without it, it's just a very expensive assault cannon with SA, so I can see your confusion.
longbowrocks
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 07:52 PM) *
Yup, it's in the errata (cuz it's an error). Gauss weapons all get it. Without it, it's just a very expensive assault cannon with SA, so I can see your confusion.

Thanks for that, but is the errata listed somewhere online, or is it just generally accepted? I didn't see it in the book.
Yerameyahu
If it were in the book, they wouldn't need errata! biggrin.gif It's on the official website.
longbowrocks
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 08:06 PM) *
If it were in the book, they wouldn't need errata! biggrin.gif It's on the official website.

Good point. Thanks!
Stahlseele
QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Mar 31 2011, 04:34 AM) *
Maybe he will listen to Reason smile.gif

Everybody listens to reason.
ravensoracle
CAn you provide a link because I am not finding it on the official site. Maybe I am being dense and missing it.
phlapjack77
I think it's here
Fauxknight
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 10:41 PM) *
You're right. I did mean it's giant, and it's a cannon.


So is the Barrett.
Yerameyahu
Nuh uh. That's giant, but it's a rifle. wink.gif

So, I just re-watched Robocop recently, and I noticed that their assault cannons had no recoil (unbraced and hip-fired). *That* must be why the SR ones don't, hehe.
StealthSigma
QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Mar 30 2011, 10:11 PM) *
The topic may have given away my questions, but here I go:
1. The two weapons in the title of this topic have the same DV and AP, but the Gauss has less recoil. I could effectively use that as a sniper rifle. Does the Barret have anything on the Gauss?
2. Pertaining to the above: I would have classified the Gauss as a sniper rifle, perhaps because I played Crysis. What determines a weapon's class?


Barret's advantages:
Weapon cost
Availability
Ammo cost
Total modifications (Barret has builtin mods that the Thunderstruck does not)
Portability (arguable)

Thunderstruck's advantages:
Armor penetration
Fauxknight
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 31 2011, 09:57 AM) *
So, I just re-watched Robocop recently, and I noticed that their assault cannons had no recoil (unbraced and hip-fired). *That* must be why the SR ones don't, hehe.


Well the SR fluff say assault cannons have massive recoil, and the optional rules in Arsenal make you take 5 stun damage worth of recoil for firing one.

I always though the Cobra Assault cannon was just a .50 rifle using some fancy ammo, doing a little research I found it actually was a Barrett:

QUOTE (robocop.wikia.com)
The Cobra assault cannon is a dressed up Barrett "Light Fifty" anti-material rifle in the first film.
Yerameyahu
Yeah, I'm just kidding around. smile.gif Still, the Cobra led to the Panther, so we have to pretend that it's actually a bigger, larger caliber 'cannon' firing crazy explosive shells. We do require the heavier weapons to be braced/tripod/whatever in our games.
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