Immersion is actually flat out BETTER, because it adds to everything you do while jumped in, wheras control rigs only add to vehicle tests. They also stack.

An external turret will fit on Aerodesign Systems Condor LDSD-41.
If you really want the internal turret, and you're willing to give up on "lighter than air", you can go for an Ares Air-Supply drone, which still has improved takeoff and landing 2.

Why does it need to be a turret?

Because turrets are sexy. I think it should at least be a flexible mount so you can shoot through windows.

*blimps don't tilt very well.

Well, I want something that looks like an advertisement blimp. So external hardpoints or lack of blimp-ness are somewhat unsatisfactory...

Well then, you could go with Yerameyahu's idea and sacrifice a bit. How about a LDSD-41 with an internal flexible gun mount?

The book doesn't say they don't! I'm surprised to see you worrying about 'reasonable'.

Yeah, I was just suggesting a concealed non-turret mount.

They book doesn't say they don't what? I have the rest of today before I need to start being reasonable again.

That they don't tilt well, hehe. Honestly, I'm not sure under what circumstances turrets ever matter, 'technically'. It's mostly the GM being able to say, 'no, your car can't turn that way'. Which I fully support, of course.

What Bod does that one have?

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I'd say vehicle combat. You'd need to make a tidy driving test to pull a 360 spin and hit the cars tailing you with your forward mounted cannon.

Of course, but my point is it's up to the GM. Strictly, most security drones can only fire at crotch height, and have to rotate to aim. Flying drones have to make WWI-style dive attacks. Etc.

Aside for those that don't have to make diving attacks, because they are vector thrust or mini helicopters or blimps O.o
Also, why would you do a 360° with your car if you want to see your enemy behind you and to hit them with your front gun?
You do a 180° and then proceed to drive backwards while shooting your followers!

Someone's been watching the new "Death Race 2000" too much.

Actually, I did that very trick in Interstate '76 Multiplayer and completely confused the hell out of the people I was playing against. I'm sure this is an old Car Wars trick as well.

Oh, sorry: flying drones that have to make diving attacks have to make diving attacks. Happier? Jesus. You get the point.

Huh? According to the errataed Arsenal the Dobermann, Steel Lynx and Crimson Samurai have turrets. The Blimp drone has a flexible mount and the other armed drones are flyers with Improved Take-off and landing 2.

Wow, I really mis-remembered then. I thought the ground units mostly had fixed weapon mounts. That's a lot of slots to blow, I guess it's lucky they're factory-installed.

Anyway, I'm sure there are non-turret vehicles. Those vehicles fire at a fixed height, and have to move in the right direction to 'aim' (which, honestly, should make it pretty hard to aim!). VTOL aircraft with fixed guns still have to tilt (dive attack). The *point* is that the GM decides whether or not to worry about this crap.

Watched the movie only one time. Also watched the OLD Death Race 2000 one time . .
i think somebody on the gaming den has something about car wars in his signature:"How to win the game: Mount Flamethrower in the rear, drive backwards!"


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I take it back. This is way more awesome, and probably worth the driving tests required every combat turn for it (threshold 2?).

But you have cameras everywhere already. Obviously, sheer baddassitude is a factor, but the vehicles of the future are just as easy to drive any direction. Probably fewer gears/whatever in reverse, though.

Not to mention the passengers having to deal with Composure Tests (SR4A, Page 138). This is insane, even for Shadowrunners!

Which is, of course, why it'd work perfectly.

Yes, our games ware more Death Race than James Bond ^^

I don't know if that will help the sudden shift from front wheel drive to rear wheel drive, change in forces on your body do to maneuvers (accelerating now presses you into your belt instead of your seat back ), and reversal of left and right.

It's all virtual and mental now. It's about as hard (conceptually) as it is to run forward, spin, and run backward.

Try it, i dare you . .

Good point. I forgot I would be rigging.

That means no space left for billboards (Special Machinery), let alone fancies like a satlink

The best trick in I'76 is turning off your engine so they can't target you or you any form of seeking missles. God I miss that game, I need to buy it off of GOG.