You so Funny Max... It is called Hyperbole for a reason, or did you not know that?

I already admitted it was an example. And you know what? The better one was to engineer another Nanosecond buyout, Burn that Edge and be a trillionaire. And Guess What, now, your money is real, and there is not test to detect a fake.
Really, Max, You really should read the posts... You are so behind...

TJ, please quit pulling the straw man fallacy.

You said that burning Edge on an extended test was pointless, because it only gained you 4 successes. I pointed out that, by the rules, you are wrong. You can burn Edge on an extended test for a critical success, because getting a critical success in one roll on an extended test is not an impossibility, and a critical success is defined as threshold + 4 successes.

Now, you then shifted the argument to say that players shouldn't have easy access to THOR satellites. And if that's what you want in your games, that's fine. But don't go around claiming that's what I posted.

Burning Edge for critical successes is very powerful. And ultimately, only you can decide what's outright impossible in your games. If you say you can burn an edge to make a plane fly backwards, that's your right. But we weren't discussing impossibilities, we're discussing levels of improbability. If there is a chance that it can be pulled off, it should be allowed.

You did make the correct point that controls should be in place. So don't make it one roll, make it a series of rolls. To acquire that satellite, first you need to make a test to locate a seller at Avail 40; then you need to arrange for a safe transfer, then you have to find a rocket scientist to build you a launch platform, then you need a vehicle to put the thing in orbit. All those are a series of challenging rolls, and they all assume you've got a couple billion to pay for the thing outright. So, simply burning a single point of Edge won't do it.

What about Mr. Lucky? Well, yes, he could burn 8 Edge and get through a lot of those tests. But that's a hell of an expenditure. That's wasting 170 karma to get a toy you're not likely to ever use. If a player wants something so badly he's willing to spend two years worth of earned karma on it, I wouldn't be so fast to say no. There are other ways in game of controlling it.

The easiest thing to do is simply not hand out several billion in cash in the first place. If your players are at the point where they can contemplate buying Aesir satellites, your game may have gone a bit too far anyway.

so what's the point of the last 15+ postings?

Same old, same old.

Except that by your philosophy, a starting character CAN Burn that Edge for a Nanosecond Buyout and acquire unlimited nuyen, legally, to do with as he pleases, and this is what I was arguing against. There should be things that you just cannot do, regardless of how you rape the rules to get there. You apparetnly are okay with the above scenario, because you continue to argue for its validity. I, on the other hand, am violently opposed to it, and so argue against it. Apparently, you and I have greatly differing opinions on what is Improbably vs. Impossible.

No worries though...

Discussion, Grinder... As Always...

Only if you as a GM rule that doing somethink like that is accomplished with one simple test

And ofcource this ridiculous piece of hyperbole has exactly the same problem as the last one. if "what rules mechanics should be involved in PC:s planning and executing a second nanosecond buyout" ever becomes a neccesary topic of discussion, then your PC:s allready have enought money to retire a thousand times over.

You wish.

Everyone has to have a Wish Grinder...

Really? I have a dream?

OK, it's more of a nightmare than a dream...

Dreams are good too... Kind of Like Wishes, but not as potent.

Come on, dudes....

Grinder, that would be a WET dream

It was more like: "Come on dudes, stop posting"!

You keep using that straw man. I do not think it means what you think it does.

What I said was this: you CAN, legally and by the rules, burn an Edge on an extended test to get Threshold + 4 successes. Your original argument was that a critical success was only 4 successes, which it is not.

What I also said was that if someone spent the equivalent of 170 karma to acquire something, I'd be hesitant to tell them they couldn't have it after going through all that. I'd probably work something out with the player, rather than arbitrarily and unfairly dropping the GM Banhammer on them. At the most extreme, I might decide that the character is now retired to a life of luxury, and the player would have to build a new one.

The false argument (your straw man) is that I allow players to burn a single point of edge to pull a second Nanosecond Buyout. I'd consider it a character goal, and allow a lot of tests towards that end, many of which they can burn Edge on. That seems like a fair goal to me; many characters stated goals for running the shadows is to retire in a life of luxury. I don't understand why you're "violently opposed" to characters eventually retiring with a permanent luxury plus lifestyle, but that's how I read your argument.

Dude, if he's using a "straw man" and has a "false argument", why do you always respond to it? You've made your point clear before.