Dumpshock Forums > Jumping into a wearable drone

Dakka Dakka

Jun 28 2011, 01:34 PM

QUOTE (sabs @ Jun 28 2011, 02:57 PM)

That glove is stupid, and if you read the description of Indirect spells, IT SHOULDN'T WORK.

Indirect Combat spells generate a spell construct at the point of origin (the caster) which travels down the mystic link to the chosen target (see Choose a Target, p. 183), whereupon it discharges and the effect defined in the spell description manifests. The spell traverses the distance between the caster and the target near instantly, but travels over the physical or astral plane to do so only to take effect when it “hits”. Hence, Indirect Spells are handled as ranged attacks and require a physically solid target or astrally active target to hit.

How is a smart link going to help with that.

Why not? any point in space is a valid target for an indirect combat spell. getting information on how far you have to "lead" with your lightningbolt, will help hitting the target.

Lansdren

Jun 28 2011, 01:43 PM

QUOTE (sabs @ Jun 28 2011, 01:57 PM)

That glove is stupid, and if you read the description of Indirect spells, IT SHOULDN'T WORK.

Indirect Combat spells generate a spell construct at the point of origin (the caster) which travels down the mystic link to the chosen target (see Choose a Target, p. 183), whereupon it discharges and the effect defined in the spell description manifests. The spell traverses the distance between the caster and the target near instantly, but travels over the physical or astral plane to do so only to take effect when it “hits”. Hence, Indirect Spells are handled as ranged attacks and require a physically solid target or astrally active target to hit.

How is a smart link going to help with that.

I think you have the indirect spell abit wrong, its a elemental effect flowing out of the mage travelling down line of sight its not the same mystical link as a direct spell. Particularly with some of the spells like flamethrower or lighting bolt which can just be a stream of energy

Blastula

Sep 16 2012, 01:46 AM

QUOTE (Rubic @ Jun 22 2011, 11:47 AM)

Too bad we don't have a 4th Ed "Rigger's Black Book" to show us the way...

Arsenal. Sorta. And Unwired (for autosofts). Sorta

ShadowDragon8685

Sep 16 2012, 01:56 AM

I don't have the book that this goes in, but it seems to me that it would have been smarter to say that it was a suit of power-assist armor that could take some Drone modifications, and then maybe, handily, provide a list of them.

Xahn Borealis

Sep 17 2012, 10:04 AM

QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Sep 16 2012, 02:56 AM)

I don't have the book that this goes in, but it seems to me that it would have been smarter to say that it was a suit of power-assist armor that could take some Drone modifications, and then maybe, handily, provide a list of them.

It's all well and good saying that now, but that's not what we've ended up with, is it? >_>

Mäx

Sep 17 2012, 10:17 AM

QUOTE (sabs @ Jun 27 2011, 10:52 PM)

No they are not.

You cannot target through anything but your own eyes. TacNet would never help you target anything, not even indirect AE spells.

You have to have a clear unobstructed LOS to the target. If you're doing AOE you have to have a clear LOS to the center of the area.

TacNet would not help you at all for indirect spells. They still follow a metaphysical link.

Indirect combat spell can be dodged just like bullets, so they benefit from aim assisting tactical data just like guns do.

Yerameyahu

Sep 17 2012, 12:22 PM

That's not really a logical statement.

It just happens to be correct because the nutty rules in the splatbook made it so.

Mäx

Sep 17 2012, 12:31 PM

QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 17 2012, 03:22 PM)

That's not really a logical statement.

It just happens to be correct because the nutty rules in the splatbook made it so.

Where exactly is the logic in saying that Indirect Combat Spells that are used like Ranged Combat wouldn't get bonus from Tac-net that boost Ranged Combat.

Yerameyahu

Sep 17 2012, 02:25 PM

If you wanna get funny, tacnets don't necessarily give a Ranged Combat bonus, actually. The 'example' in Unwired (p126) is a Firearms Tests bonus (sorry, bow-users). The GM could easily define the tcanet bonuses as specifically applying to Firearms, Bows, etc., and exclude magic (mostly cuz it's magic).

But in fact, what you said was 'if they can be dodged like bullets, then they benefit bonuses like guns do'. *That* statement doesn't logically follow, and that's the statement I commented on.

Mäx

Sep 17 2012, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 17 2012, 05:25 PM)

But in fact, what you said was 'if they can be dodged like bullets, then they benefit bonuses like guns do'. *That* statement doesn't logically follow, and that's the statement I commented on.

Yes it infact does follow that if two thinks use the same ranged combat rules and can be dodged the same, then both of those thinks can similarly benefit from tactical data that helps aiming.

Yerameyahu

Sep 17 2012, 06:30 PM

But, again, that's not what you said. What you said was, 'if you can dodge it like a bullet, then you must be able to Tacnet it like a gun'. Something like 'all ranged combat rules should apply' does make some sense, and I'm not commenting on that.

Fortinbras

Sep 17 2012, 08:38 PM

Sweet Jebus, where did this Threadomancy come from?

CanRay

Sep 17 2012, 08:45 PM

QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Sep 17 2012, 03:38 PM)

Sweet Jebus, where did this Threadomancy come from?

Shedim?

Christian Lafay

Sep 17 2012, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Sep 17 2012, 08:38 PM)

Sweet Jebus, where did this Threadomancy come from?

I'll take the blame. But not the punishment, mwuahahahah.

Udoshi

Sep 17 2012, 11:42 PM

QUOTE (Mäx @ Sep 17 2012, 10:06 AM)

Yes it infact does follow that if two thinks use the same ranged combat rules and can be dodged the same, then both of those thinks can similarly benefit from tactical data that helps aiming.

The faq flat out says you can Called Shot with and Take Aim with indirect combat spells.

Sorry, but you CAN headshot people with fireballs, and that pretty clearly puts it on the same level of ranged attacks as firearms.

edit: Goddamn necromancy! I leave the forum for a few weeks, and figured you guys did all this talking while I was gone.

Yerameyahu

Sep 18 2012, 12:00 AM

The FAQ is always meaningless, of course.

But that wasn't the point: I only said that the statement ('if you can dodge it like a bullet, it therefore uses all other ranged combat rules') wasn't logically valid. I even specifically said it happened to be *true*, which is a different thing.