Sadly, I think Wolf would eat him alive. Dirk's more of a face, less of a super combat badass. He's tough enough he'd go down swinging, but I think he'd still go down.

I agree, Dirk while he is hard broiled isn't a badass fighter by any means. Wolf is more focused in that regard.

Well, Dirk is a badass fighter (they had him going in with SWAT teams and that sort of thing). He's just a different scale of badass fighter than Wolf. Compared to an everyday civvie or a ganger or something, Dirk's a pretty tough, dangerous, guy. Compared to a hardcore street sammie or other seriously combat-oriented shadowrunner, though? He's a little in over his head.

Well, the only cybernetics we know that Wolf has is Skillwires and some Headware. Dirk will have his Stock Cyberarm. So, I guess it's whatever Wolf has slotted that day.

...

Then again, Wolf did hang out with a street gang. They don't typically let pussies hang around.

I think Dirk, because he's scrappier and has more heart.

Wolf is a social chameleon and deep-cover operative. Dirk is a PI. Both are face variants. I think they're evenly matched.

Got my Wolfs mixed up when I read that post. I was picturing Dirk and his cyberarm going up against Stackpole's OM NOM NOM machine.

"some of those piggards tasted more of motor oil than of bad meat. And no, they don't ALL taste like chicken."

Wolf (Of "Wolf and Raven") Versus Baseball. "I shall help you catch the rabbit-ball!"

Baseball?

Wolf-Guy:"The Ball is coming at light speed"
Wolf-Spirit:"I can give you warp speed!
Wolf-Guy:"*disgusted hiss and cursing about falling asleep in front of the TV while OLD SciFi is playing. Which the Wolf-Spirit somehow picks up and thinks of as space shamans."

Wolfgang Kies was drafted as a PI/Bodyguard to the Seattle Baseball Team. And as a replacement player for an official game.
They tought him how to spit tobacco.
"You only swallow chew tobacco once. Then you learn how to spit it as far away as possible"

This thread has gotten...strange...in my brief absence.

we tend to do that to innocent little threads from time to time . . deal with it! ^^
also: read the novel. you're missing out if you don't.

No it hasn't I've been here all the time, spouting out the strangest suggestions.

None of which have been accepted, I might add.

Ork Decker/Hacker Fistfight: Bull (The Best Ork Hacker You Never Met) vs. Max (Aftershock)

And, yes, we hid Bull's Panther Assault Cannon so he can't cheat. That one too. That one too. That one too. That one too...

Hmmmm...

Sirrurg vs. Ghostwalker.

Sirrurg is just badass and fighty. Ghostwalker can likely invoke and channel the Spirit of Denver™. Which wins, Sirrurg's implied skill at ass-kickery or Ghostwalker's spirit posessed brawn?

I say we take it up a notch, & see a battle of the divas... SR style.

Sally Tsung (Secrets of Power) vs Sly (Shadowplay) in a mud-wrestling pit.
Stiper (Striper Assassin) vs Samurai Elf girl (Steel Rain... forgot her name) in Strip Match.

Dude . . Sly is like . . old . . and a Decker . .

But still pretty hot...

EDIT: Damn... Glitched my Computer Roll...

... & Sally isn't old? Plus she's a mage. Though she does carry a sword, so maybe Sally has some history as a brawler.

Good question & point... When we pick our fighters... which version we picking? Them at their prime or not? An old Wolfgang Kies vs young Rick Larson? Young, still in training Ryan Mercury vs middle aged Argent? Etc...

Depends. The first two polls are fights happening in 2073 (yes, old Knight vs. old Villiers, battle of the silver foxes), the third poll happens in approximately 2060.



This fight happens in 2053. And the winner is...the audience.

Why does a scene from the book "Thud" come to mind???

dunno?
which one?
been a while since i last read that one . .
also, i never read it in english <.<

You mean Sally and Angua?

Keep in mind, this was most likely done with Magic or a sword. Colt has a three strength and a three unarmed combat. There is no way the arms were lost in *just* fisticuffs. If not magic, then this was likely done with a sword(which she has a decent enough skill in). So I'd say Dirk still stands an extremely good chance in that situation; even with a 5 agility, Colt is not particularly a super impressive physical specimen without a blade. Solid with natural agility but not limb-removing.

Now, if *magic* were involved? Changes everything. Same if weapons were allowed.

As for Harlequin and Mr. The Scribe, Harle hands down. (I hope they keep him unstatted as well. I like my image of Harle. )

I think Wolfgang would take the other Wolf. Wolfgang Kies is pretty badass when he wants to be.

It was Twist, not Dirk, that I had up against Colt.

Whoops. Allergy meds and yesterday's party sorta made me misread that for some reason. Heh.

Still, though-assuming NO magic and NO weapons? That would equalize it more even with Twist's code against killing(I sadly don't have his stats in front of me though, so I don't know what level he fights on with no weapons or spells). If actual spellcasting were allowed I'd give it to Colt at that point.

We've never had Twist's stats, thus Twist Vs. Colt is a legit fight, as we now have stats for Kellen.

That's right-only one of the two combatants is allowed to have official stats.

That does make things interesting, I admit. Though it does also fall into ''Numbers Evaluation'' somewhat with the person who *is* statted, naturally, just not to the extent of if both of the combatants involved were statted, in which case it could end up an actual die-rolling contest. With only one statted, one can take a look at one of the person's stats and make an educated guess what they can do in a fistfight, and then figure out the other from story alone.

Pretty fun though.

This is a fistfight. Twist doesn't need to kill her to win.

Magic... Colt is super strong, but Twist was chosen by Dog. Twist did a Ghost Dance & used it to stop Insect spirits and nukes. Yup, nukes.
Weapons... Colt would own Twist if she got her hands on a blade. Twist has never used any melee weapons. He'd opt for a stun baton, but would be outlcassed.
Fistfight... Dunno about this one. I think Twist is physically bigger than Colt. He's taller & heavier, but not necessarily stronger. He'd probably go down after the first kick to the groin from Colt, but if he was able to keep going after that, he'd be punching, backhanding, & up to angry brawling mindset no problem.

Fistfights are always iffy if the people are equalish on stats, since it very well at that point goes down to who ends up just giving up the ghost faster. At the same time, when you're dealing with people with insaneo magic and resources and the like it's one of the best ways to reduce it down to the base.

Now, not all mages are bad at fighting of course. Serrin is highly skilled in Carromeleg as well as having solid physical stats. But in Twists and Colt's case, neither of them are particularly hard-bitten pro unarmed fighters, so they're pretty IMO equal(again, not wanting to kill doesn't mean you're a bad fighter-if anything, simple fisticuffs is a good way to not kill someone, and groin attacks can hurt.)

Then you get the opposite end of things like Ehran vs. Harlequin, both of which likely have perfected their physical beings in every way since, being 4000 years old, you have to start working on *something*, and skill-wise, the same. I still think that for some reason Harle would have put more elbow grease into his toughness, strength and speed, so that's why I hand him that unarmed victory.

Assuming that all other things are equal (ha fraggin' ha) I BELIEVE that the fluff actually mentioned that Ehran was physically bigger and stronger and more imposing.

Also I am a bit confused by the 30:1 Harlequin: Ehran ratio up in this bit. Did you guys forget that the 'first' time those two threw down, Ehran decisively won?

Yeah, but that was, when, during the Renaissance era?

And don't forget his reaction...

A dropbear or an abrahms lobster?

Buttercup vs Lofwyr?

You mean three to five centuries of brooding plus 8+ full adventures of intricate byzantine obscure indirect revenge scheme resulting in him tutoring/boning the guy's daughter?

Pretty awesome, as far as massive overreactions go, and my all time favorite SR adventure. But in terms of relevance to a fistfight? Close to zero.

The actual sword fights are the closest to being relevant, and on those they're tied up. (One ear each.)

On the flipside, Harley is up on boning! Which puts him in the winner's spotlight, no matter how you look at it!

Bull has stats... I don't know what they are, but I can almost guarantee if you look on the old ShadowRN list you can find a version of him.


The Eggman

Eggman, Bull just got updated stats in the second-to-latest book.

Max, however, does not have stats, so this is a legit suggestion.

Crap... now I have to go buy another book.

The Eggman