That's. . . that's kinda funny. I'm picturing explosive flechettes now.

That's a pretty creative interpretation of what an Ares Viper can do. I'll just say that you're not playing it the same way I am, or the way I ever have, and leave it at that.

Oh there was a very large tree in another thread when I brought that up also. As I said there and above, the write up of the Slivergun does not specifically say it can only fire flechette ammo. Nothing creative about it.

With normal ammo it is a 6p -0AP gun with stock burst fire and sound suppressor.

Traditionally it is a flechette weapon.

I think you're grossly misinterpreting the spirit of the weapon in order to get a burst-fire-capable, integrally silenced, hand cannon at a minimal cost and fuss, and it absolutely wouldn't fly at my table...but I'm not your GM, and more and more I think that's probably for the best.

Sorry, but thats Wrong
the Ares Viper Slivergun is a Flechette only Pistol !

Hough !
Medicineman

The weapon's description specifically states: "It fires metal slivers that count as flechette ammunition (already factored in to the Damage Code)." It doesn't even use flechette ammo, but instead uses its own unique ammo type that simply uses the same game mechanics as flechette. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Using your insane logic, the Panther XXL assault cannon can be loaded with any ammunition since the description never says it only fires its own special ammo (it just says it does have its own special ammo which, somehow, means two separate things in Crazytown). Likewise, the Ares S-III Super Squirt can be loaded with, heck, anti-tank rounds since its description never actually says you can't. Hooray!

You also know that the slivergun doesn't accept gas vents, right?
That's a separate thing that might get in the way of your plans.

I pretty much hate tacnets for the dice pool bloat. Also all I really think all they should do is cancel some penalties like indirect fire penalties or help you avoid getting flanked and other location oriented things.

I'll drink to that.

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Noted.

Hehe, it does seem strange that something that flat-out tells you where your bullet is going to land can give LESS of a bonus than something that just gives you general sensory information and predictions. Sure, if the Tacnet were to tell you that, 0.33 seconds from now a guy will come out from behind THAT corner, then your super-speed sammy can already fire the round that will hit him when his head comes out. Now that's... the stuff of movies and legends .

I think the Tacnet was designed as a general tool to make GM-troops better: As in, that corporate strike force that is just made up of the same NPCs that are written in the book needs some more dice. Oh, let's give it a tacnet, we don't have to do all the math, as players have to.

Seriously Tacnets are the shits in this scenario. I had my group of runners trying to sneak past a military perimeter which was also an R3 or even R4 tacnet. That gave these autonomous stationary drones quite a few dice to roll, and my runners couldn't get past without Edge.

So... dice pool bloat aside, it's a thing to separte amateurs from pros. And as that it works ok. But it has to be assumed that at some point simply everyone important will have one.

ROLF.
No it just very clearly states that it doesn't fire anykind of actual bullets at all.

The Slivergun certainly fires only slivers. It's totally special in that respect, though other weapons could be similarly restricted.

Excuse Me? What? *Shakes Head* *Head to Desk*

I am establishing an understanding of the player who takes Edge 7, and needs akimbo to be as good as single-gun characters. :/

No, I get that Yerameyahu; What I do not get is the position that the Sliver Gun can fire alternative "Ammo."

No, I meant that I am beginning to compile these little hints in my mind. I wasn't talking to you at all, hehe. Just thinking about the kind of person who thinks the Viper can shoot bullets.

Gotcha...

Miri I think the problem people are having is that you are taking the slavishly literal interpretation of the rules. I'm not saying there aren't cases where that can't be fun, or even produce working results where the intended rule might not. It might also be a case of history - the slivergun is known throughout the editions. It ALWAYS fired slivers. It used to suck (I think). Now it doesn't.

As a hyperbole:
The rules say "the slivergun fires slivers". They don't say, "the slivergun fires slivers and nothing else". So clearly, the slivergun must be able to shoot cucumbers. However, it is implied that it would in fact have to be cucumber slivers, because firing slivers is a special case of firing ammo, which most other guns are implied at doing, and the special case isn't overridden by the freedom of ammo selection that you quote in your reasoning. So by your interpretation, the slivergun should be capable of firing all kinds of ammo - as metal slivers. However, sticking with slavishly literal, that would always also count as flechette, because all the ammo is metal slivers (even the ExEx or APDS kind), and all slivers still count as flechettes. You could even have flechette slivers, which produce a gun at 10P/+10AP. So this is the slavishly sliverish doctrine.

So now slavishly sliverish produced some kind of monstrosity that completely deviates from everything we know about the game. When in fact, the gun as is is already perfectly fine, because it already cheats, and is clearly better than all normal HPists with flechettes.

I'm not saying you deserve ridicule, or even real criticism. It's your game, whatever flies with you. I had fun with this post.

You, sir, are fucking awesome! For Science (well, game mechanics, anyway)!

Snort! Slavishly sliverish! Hah! THERE'S a tongue-twister!
You, sir, win the internets!

A cucumber gun? Is that like a potato gun?

More like a Mini-Marshmallow Gun, I would think.

How about a soda Pop gun?