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Food Side-effect #1 kinda makes me worried about the future family life of the average Shadowrunner... not to mention nearly anyone else in Shadowrun that can't afford 'real' food.

So you're saying we're getting rid of another annoying mistake in human evolution?

What mistake in human evolution are you referring to? (I read the article)

Right... only wimps are affected by estrogen

If you force feed all the male population of the world mad amounts of soy, and then let them try to reproduce, anyway, then eventually, by means of forced evolution, you can create the UBERMAN, a sperm-spreading juggernaut, a master of spermination even under the most adverse odds. The MAN that is SO MANLY and POTENT that simple matters such as hormone levels just don't matter anymore. The UBERMAN will be surrounded by wafting clouds of testosterone, and all the women of the world (I'll get to that...) will become putty just by going near him. ALL his children will be UBERMEN, too, and obviously all boys, because the UBERMAN couldn't possibly produce a girl.

So there goes, how to wipe out the human race . And Shadowrun invented it!!

"Them veggietarians! You know, those freaks that don't eat meat..."
(I don't like vegetarians. They steal my food's food. )

It's kind of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation here:

1) Eat meat: smell bad to women = lower chance of reproducing
2) Eat tofu: lower sperm count = lower chance of reproducing

I disagree:

Eat meat. Make fracking awesome steak. Get women.

Worst thing that can happen is she doesn't quite like your degree of rare. That's a catastrophe in and of itself, but...

Yeah, it's always amazing how many people get worked up on food "chemicals" because some studies suggest they might be harmful in large doses, and then happily drink their soy milk

But based on the fact that soy feeds ~90% of the world, I'd say it's safe to assume that if there are any problems they got worked out. Although increased estrogen uptake would explain the female proportions in some artwork

It's not just eat meat. It's eating red meat. That might be contributing toward why I've had a lot more female attention over the last year. I've all but given up red meat. Most of my meat intake is chicken, pork, and fish.

It is interesting that eating soy products often messes up my body's digestion. I can eat a little bit of soy without issue. Eating a meal based on soy is asking for trouble. That of course upsets my vegan friends but when it comes to beliefs vs my healthy life, my life takes priority over their beliefs.

But yeah, I've noticed that my body odor changes if I eat a lot of red meat (more than 2 meals per week) and it takes a few days (4-6 meals of no red meat) for it change back.

Reading the Harvard study that the article pulled from, all of the men were already having infertility issues. While, high levels of soy did correlate to low levels of sperm, it is not definitively the cause. (The study didn't measure the sperm levels after adjusting the patients diets to remove soy products as far as I can tell.) Separating correlation and causation can be a mess especially when dealing with endocrinology.

As a side note--testosterone has very weak effects on the male body. It is generally converted to estradiol (a form of estrogen) before binding to intracellular proteins.

Um, we're gamers... What's the chance of us finding a mate of either sex anyhow?

Fortunately, Some Gamers have already solved that particular issue.

Robots don't count, TJ.

Even if they're AI?

*bemused/annoyed look* I dunno, but I seem to have become some sort of relationship service; people that I've introduced via my gaming groups keep getting together (including one pair that I'm literally waiting for them to finally tie the knot)...

Do they count if they can pass the Turing and Voigt-Kampff tests?

That's assuming a lot, he was talking about today.

Between you and me… Rachael was okay whether or not she passed.

I love vegetarians. They're delicious! And it's just nature's way. Those who eat plants get eaten by those who eat meat. Ta-da! Nature!

speak for yourself ^^


@Topic:
My girl is vegan . . pity me . .

I'm sure that's why they called it soylent green...

You have all of my pity

I'm Sorry...
Mine is only partially Vegetarian (Meat gives severe complications, but eats it anyways)...

Nerps. It's what's for dinner. Now in Teryaki style.

Yuuummmmmmmm..... Teriyaki Nerps. It does not get any better than that; Except for maybe Sweet and Sour Nerps.

Thanks

Thanks.
All meat?
Or only certain meats?

I have a budy who can't stomach pork, but chicken/winged and cow is okay for him.
Also: what about fish? Does that work at least? Otherwise: poor girl. Reminds me of a buddy of mine . . loves cats . . allergic to cats . .

I know exactly how he feels...

All meats cause SOME issues. Fish less so, Beef is the worst. We tend to stick to Chicken and Fish most of the time, with very occasional forays into dead cow when the craving gets too bad.

Just don't touch Thai-Style Coriander Nerps. It smells like it's made from hobos.
(true story, there's a "Thai-Style Coriander" stir-fry sauce sold here that stinks like a hobo. What's surprising is the fact that taste isn't that bad)

still, poor girl . . mine CHOSE to become vegan . . simply not being able to eat meat . . i don't think i'd want to live like that . .

Yeah, it's tough sometimes, but I have gotten used to it.

That whole correlation vs causality thing is such a bugger.

Did you know that there is a correlation between ice cream consumption and child drowning? (hint: only true during summer months).

Soylent Green is People!!!!

*Munch-Munch* Yeah, so?

The upside is that vegetarians are popular at group-style dinners, because that leaves more meat for other people

But since it's green it must be vegans and vegetarians, right? Grass-eaters feeding the meat-eaters...

Difference between Assassins and Vegetarians. Only Punctuation.
Eats shoots and leaves.
Eats, shoots and leaves.

At least in Germany, we also have a significant correlation between stork population and birth rates...

I've got four daughters...

From the same woman too. Over the last 17 years to boot.

I don't see what you people are complaining about. I've been on the bleeding edge of alternative soup kitchens in Berlin and Copenhagen for ten years, and no one is saying you have to stuff your gob with enough genegeneered soy to change your sex, it's all about a varied diet. I have many friends living vegan and freegan lifestyles, and they manage to stay healthy, have kids and whatnot - hell, they even bodybuild and crossfit.

As long as you don't buy into fads and stay fit, you'll be allright. Also, I am kind of offended by the notion that meat is some kind of god-like nutritious substance. Yes, I'd be one sad fragger without my bacon, but if you can't make a kick ass 5 course meal without meat, you're not a good cook, hate to break it to ya.

So put in simple words, Chuck Norris =)

Problem is, in SR nearly everything is formed and flavored soy/krill. I've got a character who is allergic to soy, that leads to some interesting problems..."waddya mean by 'soy-free' MREs?"

You got me...

I should have.

Mistake implies intention. Without a creator there is no intention. Are you saying a creator's mistake? Or are you confused by the English language or perhaps evolution?

Soy-free Soylent green? So just human?

Made from soy-eaters, so it might have trace-amounts

Intention: create a perfect peace-loving human specimen that can do without eating meat. Oh, it can't breed. PRAISE THE LORD!

Alternatives:

1. Eat non-soy protein alternatives (beans, for example. or mycoprotein)
2. Eat a balanced diet and bathe, so your sperm count will be fine and you won't smell bad.
3. Be a vegetarian while you're dating, then switch to steak after you're married.

I like the way you think

We have become our own creator, largely setting aside natural evolution for ourselves...