Apr 16 2004, 05:13 PM
Incidentally monowire doesnt have many utilitatian uses, it actually sucks at cutting through any inanimate object with a barrier rating.
Apr 16 2004, 05:28 PM
So if the victim had ceramic bone lacing we -could- call it a garotte?
Apr 16 2004, 05:31 PM
Only if they had an exoskeleton. Even then, strangling them would be tough; it'd take a durable, flexible neck covering.
Apr 16 2004, 05:33 PM
So, ortho-skin or dermal sheathing would work?
Apr 16 2004, 05:44 PM
Well, the bonus Body and Impact Armor would probably help, but not much. The point of garroting someone isn't to slit their throat or decapitate them, it's to crush both the carotid arteries and cause brain asphyxiation.
Apr 16 2004, 05:44 PM
If impregnated with monowire, yes. If not, depends on whether or not it'll prevent the buckytubes from cutting in while still causing strangulation.
Apr 16 2004, 06:06 PM
| Could always heat the monowire, cauterize the cut as it is made.|
I do not think this would work. The momowire, being only a fwe molecules thick, would not be avle to transfer heat well enough (IMO) to cauterize (which is basically cooking/charring/burning tissue as it passes).
Apr 16 2004, 06:45 PM
| It's not just about evidence, though. Even on the short term, taking down a guard can be done many cleaner way that get them out of the way without the unprofessional mess, which will screw you not only with any investigation but within the next 10 minutes. |
I think we've established that a monowire garrote (sorry Kage) wouldn't be your first weapon choice.
Although...a monowire weed whacker?
Apr 16 2004, 07:07 PM
Of course a monowire dispenser with some sort of adhesive so you could string the stuff on the fly would be nice.
Also, how does the retractor on a monowhipe work? Once you apply force to the spool, the wire would likely begin to cut the sppol, so, is the spool coated in some way and can that same coating be applied to clothing?
Apr 16 2004, 07:14 PM
Spool is probably ceramic, possibly impregnated with monofilament itself.
Apr 16 2004, 07:20 PM
I once build a monowire trap for my door. I had come across a monowhip in my travels and had no whip skills or interest in using a whip. So I bought a keypad/fingerprint scanner door lock and with a little bit of engineering made a monowhip doorlock of death. If you put the wrong code in, or if your fingerprint did not match up with mine, then you had to deal with a monowhip snapping out across your body about stomach high or so.
Apr 16 2004, 07:24 PM
| I once build a monowire trap for my door. I had come across a monowhip in my travels and had no whip skills or interest in using a whip. So I bought a keypad/fingerprint scanner door lock and with a little bit of engineering made a monowhip doorlock of death. If you put the wrong code in, or if your fingerprint did not match up with mine, then you had to deal with a monowhip snapping out across your body about stomach high or so. |
Personally i'd rig it so that ANY finger/object put in or near the keypad triggered the trap. Then leave the door unlocked.
Apr 16 2004, 09:07 PM
God forbid you ever slip up and hit the wrong numbers, much less come home drunk one night. Or, hell, come home deleriously wounded. Or have a friend over who's not familiar with the system. Do you guys even think these bizarre things through?
Apr 16 2004, 09:12 PM
Of course not. What would be the point of that?
Apr 16 2004, 09:16 PM
| God forbid you ever slip up and hit the wrong numbers, much less come home drunk one night. Or, hell, come home deleriously wounded. Or have a friend over who's not familiar with the system. Do you guys even think these bizarre things through? |
It seems pretty simple if you don't have to punch in the numbers at all.
We are talking about people that handle grenades, live ammo, and TOW missles for a living. The job's dangerous, and the Worker's Compensation Board isn't exactly going to cover them anyway.
As for friends stopping by that aren't familiar with the system, if they stop by my top-secret hideout without getting a full security briefing from me then they likely aren't my friend...especially if they bleed all over my doorstep. Real friend's don't mess up your place.
Apr 16 2004, 09:18 PM
Hey, a keypad was mentioned in addition to biometrics. And I should point out that security is good, but unsubtle, SECRET HIDEOUT HERE security is terribly poor fieldcraft. There's a reason spies don't do this crap, and you are high risk criminals, operating under similar conditions, if not worse.
And handling high risk materials in the field under combat conditions is one thing, but unreliable and hilariously lethal security? That's something else.
Apr 16 2004, 09:21 PM
I thought you were talking about mine, where i put a keypad/fingerpad/cardlock whatever to trigger for the monowire trap as soon as they are used or disturbed. Then just leave the door unlocked.
Apr 16 2004, 09:28 PM
Well, that's still silly because if you get into a situation where such a system could be useful, being able to move freely around your place is much, much more useful. Adaptability is the best security, not traps.
Apr 16 2004, 10:05 PM
| Well, that's still silly because if you get into a situation where such a system could be useful, being able to move freely around your place is much, much more useful. Adaptability is the best security, not traps. |
Huh? There is no mobility issues with this at all. It is more akin to taping a grenade to the wall, then hanging a sign on the pin that says "For a good time pull me." As long as i know to not believe the sign then all is good.
Apr 16 2004, 10:07 PM
It's amusing. Just saying that from the standpoint of a professional, who absolutely should be keeping a low profile, it's an awful idea. What do you do when some drunk teenagers stumble through the hall hitting locks, one loses a hand, and the police investigation finds you, a wanted criminal?
Apr 16 2004, 10:29 PM
Hmmm, well since i usually put said top-secret hideouts in rather seedy areas of town, my only concern would be having to spend the 20 minutes it would take to mop up.
If i placed such a trap on a structure in an area where i actually had to care about casual traffic, I suppose the best thing there would be to put such a security device behind at least an initial locked door. I don't recall the specifics, but i believe that monowire has a legality code. So exposing it directly to the general public in a law enforced area is generally a Bad Idea™. But they get on my property, where i can get rid of the body if need be, and kid gloves come off.
Same goes for vehicle security measures. When i'm downtown Seattle i don't have the flamethrower skirts on, but when i hit the wilds of the Barrens you toucha my car i roasta your legs.
Apr 16 2004, 10:33 PM
Though that is a much better approach, it still draws attention. Better to just secure your stuff within your apartment so it remains safe even if the rest of your place is emptied of the stuff a ganger would be interested in, the real goods are secured out of sight. I'd honestly rather not kill the people screwing with me if I can just blend in with the rest of the huddled masses. Any attention, no matter how minor, is always a liability. On top of that, lethal traps are quite likely to be an issue for you should the shit hit the fan, because things never go as planned.
Apr 16 2004, 11:36 PM
|Almost exactly what you describe already exists in canon.|
I hadn't noticed that, thanks. Monosword is availibility 4 and costs 1000
, I wonder how hard it would be to remove the wire from the rest of the sword. That might make a convienent source of cheap monowire...
Apr 16 2004, 11:49 PM
1k for about half of a meter of monowire isn't saving very much.
Apr 16 2004, 11:51 PM
It's always seemed more sensible that the monosword was just a Cougar Fineblade taken to the next level, no monowire included.
Apr 17 2004, 12:12 AM
I agree that certainly is more sensible, but it just doesnt satisfy my recently aquired lust for monowire related hijinks though
Back to the drawing board I suppose.
Apr 17 2004, 04:46 AM
The 2nd edition flavor material suggests that while the monosword does actually have monofilament, it is not the molly wire we have all come to know and love.
Apr 17 2004, 04:48 AM
Molly wire? Is this a reference to Neuromancer that I don't get because I never read it?
Apr 17 2004, 06:33 AM
| Molly wire? Is this a reference to Neuromancer that I don't get because I never read it? |
I haven't Neuromancer in years, so I don't know if the reference is there or not.
I picked up the term from the Alien Legion comic book which used the word as slang for monomolecular wire.
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