And they don't make guns out of frickin' wood!

Although true, that's actually Torgue's tagline, I think.

So, what would the cost be for a weapon that can only:
-Fire regular ammunition with ONE of the following options:

--Have one built in Elemental Effect from SR3 or Street Magic?
--SA or SS weapon gains BF when using Scope or Vision Magnification
--Gains an additional D6 after each SA action effectively ignoring recoil (Firing increases accuracy)
--Functions as a hand grenade and appears fully loaded in your hand when exploded (MIGHT be over powered...)
--Auto Targeting Darts (Pilot program that shoots instead of owner/ Delayed damage one combat turn)

Built in Elemental Effect does not work, since that is a magical thingie.
Scope or Vision magnification can never change the fire-mode.
The Assault-Cannons ignore their tremendous recoil, because they can only fire slow enough so it does not have any effect
Functions as hand-grenade can be done using the explosive trap function . . or simply using the MAC10 or UZI, not sure which one.
Auto Targeting Darts was kinda possible using the Gyrojet Weapons.

Oh for crying out loud -Sthal, stop taking my troll posts seriously.

What better way is there to cure you of trolling?

Not replying, of course! How long have you been on this internet?




I don't mean to be pedantic, but this would go to hell because of the "have to be recalibrated after each shot" rule. I'm not sure on what would happen if such a weapon went full-auto, but as GM I would probably incur some hefty accuracy penalties because a weapon crafted to snipe wouldn't really suffer the translation well.

This is my first day! How am I doing?

but, but...I need my fix

Personally, I'm in the Pistols+Heavy Weapons camp for my Sams, if I don't opt for a more point-hungry build (then it's Automatics). My default loadout looks like this:
-2 Morrisey Elan with internal smartlink, in slide-holsters. One is always loaded with RFID rounds, the other with either Hi-C oder standard rounds.
-Colt Government with internal smartlink and internal silencer, in a concealed shoulder-holster.
-Ruger Super Warhawk with internal smartlink, SA firing mod and increased cylinder, in a quick-draw hip holster.
-RPK HMG, External Smartlink, Gyromount
-Ares Thunderstruck Gauss Rifle, External Smartlink

For Automatics, it looks like this:
-B&P MP9 with external smartlink, shortened barrel, personalized grip and integral GV III
-Ingram Smartgun X, GV III, Electronic Firing
-Ares HVBR, integral GV III, Personalized Grip, FA firing mod



It kinda makes me wonder about Hyperion guns. Do they add their recoil modifier as bonus dice, instead of penalties?

That sounds about right, but they'd have to start with a penalty. Seriously, those things wobble all over the fuckin' place.

Yea, it's like they begin with a negative gas vent so if you shoot a long burst you negate the negatives after the first round.

in round 2 you GAIN the amount of D6 you should have had in recoil.

Crazy design

Their sniper rifles effectively come with a bullet tax. The first shot usually goes wide, and then all others are deadly accurate.

Not to be used with those shields that gives bonus damage when charged - Feels like a loss if you always miss the first shot..

Meh, if you're playing Zer0 as a sniper you're doing it wrong.

Gaige makes a pretty good sniper, you know.


And yeah, Hyperion guns... I never use them, because of that whole "Early shots won't go anywhere useful" thing, and because I prefer to attack, bending the element of surprise to my will.

It's hard to do that when your first shot goes fucking nowhere, then everybody spooks and runs into cover.

Use this one

Depends on the campaign. If I am running around a war zone I want my team to be carrying assult rifles, machine guns and other assorted heavy weapons so that we have the fire power we need to handle greater numbers of people and heavy equipment. In the city if I have to get around with my gear fairly hidden the biggest thing I try to sneak around is a SMG maybe carry a bigger weapon in the trunk if that's practical. If I go to a secure location that is going to search but I need a gun I will try to sneak in the light pistol or hold out. If I am playing johnny good citizen I try to carry a taser. For our games I find that a SMG is the best balance to have on hand for a job but a pistol is usually the walk around and feel ok about getting into most places.