My point is that death from police beatings and taserings are not okay in the numbers we're discussing, regardless of their rate, and regardless of their comparison to firearms. The rate would be useful for us if we're modeling the SR4 tasers to match, but honestly nothing in SR4 matches reality anyway. smile.gif

Additionally, the issue is that they're not being used instead of guns. They're being used in cases when guns wouldn't be: unarmed, possibly impaired individuals, and so on. http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-relea...oll-reaches-500 Anyway, that's probably enough politics, I know how sensitive this board is. :o