Hmmm, "Pirate to Pirate" does seem (do more than) imply a request for "Pirated" material...

So, if its maps you want can you just get building specs somewhere? Scratch that. I just checked. Type in "Building Schematics" on Google. You should be good to go. Since you don't plan on publishing your adventures it should be no prob. Then you can use the "NPC Generator" found here and a name generator found here

Edit: And since I just checked the NPC generator and they're all pedestrians (and therefore suck)...try this instead.

Presto.

I'd like to add that I'm very happy to see that the "no piracy" rules are strongly enforced, both in letter and spirit. As much as I'd LOVE to have PDF or other versions of SR literature, I'm still obligated to buy the books.

btw, "Pirate 2 Pirate" was pretty funny =-)

"Pirate 2 Pirate" Does anyone else get a great mental picture outta that? "Yarrrrr!" "Avast Arr!"

Just in case this forum may be hopelessly confusing someone out there...P2P actually means Peer to Peer. Basically file distribution without a central server to store the files. Everyone contributes what they have to the whole, but the files remain on their harddrive.

Which makes it near-impossible to shut the network down.

You now, sometimes I really don't get why there's so much hostility towards D&D. My only explination is that everyone has played Forgotten Realms, which is without a doubt, the most low brainpower campaign setting I've seen in my life.

I like both. I've played D&D, (Greyhawk only) and Shadowrun, and I like both of em. Though I like them for different reasons. Just, why all the hating?

If it only require a justification to crawl... You can play mafia hitmen specialized in 'cleaning' operations, just roaming through junkies squat, drugs lab, ship loaded with AK-97 crates, illegal cyberclinic or an oyabun villa. You can play at least a handful of session before running out of justification. During the 2057-2060 Corporate War even megacorps could have resorted to such tactics to raid other corps facilities. Actually, there's one adventure in Blood in the Boardroom where PCs must take control of a Delta Clinic and kill the vampire leading the experiments. Once the runners blocked all the doors from the control room, you can play it as a dungeon. Or you can also play with Cyberpirates, boarding each ships, submarines and platforms like you were exploring a dungeon. Evbven better, a team of mercenaries can be called to raid diamond mines held by rebels in Africa or caves hiding islamists in Afghanistan...

Now from a more technical point of view, decking, rigging, astral projection and a face's legwork don't fit well in a dungeon crawl.

I have many things to say.

If you've been playing with a group of gamers long enough, they are occasionally going to want a slaughterfest to go along with the hours of legwork, planning and sneaking which is normally what SR is about. So, you can either make new characters, etc and play d&d or the GM can just give em what they want.

I'm against pirating anything worth paying for, but I have everything that's been printed in .pdf form, except a couple new books. I also have everything in hard copy, except "Missing blood" and the DMZ box, but the boss hates it when I start digging through my 150 pound box of books at my desk. The 2 gig on my hard drive isn't even noticed though, and I can screw off in a very SR kind of way at work.
I'd be glad to BUY .pdf's, especially for OOP stuff, if they were ever made available.

SR players complain about D&D because if there's too much chance of failing if you're good at something and too much chance of success if you suck at something. And there is no such thing as levels of success. Unless you just want to use how much you made it by as a meter, but even that is way too random.

Kage: You don't count. You don't like BeCKS, so basically you can't even be considered human.

Austere: I don't quite agree with that comment on Kyrnn. I do know that the Kyrnn covered in the Dragonlance book that just came out is not the same Kyrnn I knew back when I first started playing it. But, whatever. I have issues with the Realms for a variety of reasons that I won't go into here unless you got some burning curiosity on why I do.

However, on your other comments. The hit point and level issue is something I've never seen to be better or worse than the Shadowrun way of doing things, just a different way of dealing with it. But the power level issue...

Yes, in recent years expecially, D&D has become a power fest. The release of the peice of crap Epic Level Handbook drove me insane, as a player who belives that character's should retire once they hit 20th level. I do belive that far to many D&D DM's let the power level of their characters become an issue. Let me give you an example...

In our current D&D campaign, I have a 19th level mage named Jordan who is a bit of a bitch and power hungry to boot. Her level puts her 5 levels higher than the king of her country (The United Kingdom of Ahlissa). However, I know that if I tried to have her kill the king to take his place, my DM would not let Jordan's power become an issue. He would find a way to shut her down, and do it ruthlessly. So what does that have to do with Shadowun?

The DM keeps the government's and certain organizatons in our campaign on the same level as the Megacorps of Shadowrun. Try and screw with them directly, and you'll be making a new character sheet. Period. Not many D&D PLayers are fond of this, and most DM's don't want to deal with the bitching. Hell, I remember one player telling me that he had "Never heard of a game where players are allowed to kill each other.", beacuse his DM ran his D&D game in a little no-brain, happy land setting. I perfer my D&D to be much more gritty, which is difficult beacuse of the fact that the game has been turned into a high fantasy power trip, instead of a more realistic game, which is what Gary Gaygax wanted in the first place.

Read some of his old modules sometime. Gary kept the lethality in his advenures high, beacuse he belived that adventures were a minority who put their lives on the line every day, doing what normal people would never approach. (Sound familiar? ) And bringing your character back to life was much more expensive/dangeorus. Every time somene cast a life restoring spell, you had to make a system shock check, and if you failed THAT your character was dead forever.

But now that Wizards of the Coast has the lisence, I am watching them single handedly wreck the game I've come to love. Which is why I love WizKids for keeping Shadowrun the way it is. IE, The game I came to become obsessed with after picking up the 2nd Edition Handbook at my local gaming shop....

Ok, done with that. Sorry to go off on a rant like that, I just had to get my two cents out there.

Actually, if you have problems with the Forgotten Realms setting that cannot be solved with a simple addition of Common Sense, I would like to hear them. Like I said, I'm porting FR to SR, and now that the big stuff is done with it's mainly troubleshooting. The first thing I shot was Elminster. Repeatedly, in the head.

There is a built-in power level difference in SR and d20, though. A 20th level guy can slay hundreds of thousands of 1st level guys in straight combat, a single high-level adventurer can destroy massive armies without breaking a sweat. In SR, attacking an army straight on will get you killed, even if you're Harlequin. For everything you've ever wanted to know about d20 vs SR, read this thread.

Actually, I got the impression that he was porting the world to Shadowrun rules, which may not do wonderfully for melee, but certainly have fewer problems than d20.

Another thing that I immediately forgot about was any reference to "Good" and "Evil". I rather think of them as "The guys who wrote the Campaign Setting Book" and "The guys who the authors of the Campaign Setting Book don't like".

Overall amount of superguys is reduced by a lot, and they're mostly political animals instead of "adventurers". The superguys don't really matter, either, since with SR-like rules a company of well-trained and organized infantry can still fuck up even the Biggest and the Baddest. Except mages, in which case you need the company and a few back-up mages.

As for porting, I mean this. And a bit of this. It has gone a long way since those threads, although it's still far from done.

Didn't Earthdawn run on the Shadowrun style system?

Similar to Shadowrun, but not enough for me. Also, I really don't like the setting of Earthdawn. Not one bit.

There really isn't anything anyone can say about the Earthdawn system/setting that would make me like it any better. Plus I'm starting to get rather proud of my Forgotten Realms v1.1, Logic Inside. It's amazing how much better the setting immediately gets when you consider the FR books to be published by people sympathetic to the Lord's Alliance. Then you get to the really good stuff, like how there isn't decent arable land in the Moonsea area, etc.

Wow as in Damn you're pathetic or wow as in You might be on to something?

Possibly. But I can't see how you could deduce them both from that message.

I don't get why adding reasonable politics to FR is nerdy. I'm not the least bit insulted by being called a nerd, I know I'm a nerd. Or something.

And now back to your regular programming.

"i'll ignore that cuase you obviosly dont know what yoru talking about."

I'll ignore that 'cause you obviously...et cetera. Well, I've seen people with English skills worse than that...on the WotC board.

"Which makes it near-impossible to shut the network down."

Which is a good thing, IMO, at least as far as the music industry goes...not for gaming, though, unless it's WotC...they really don't need any more profits .

"Actually, if you have problems with the Forgotten Realms setting that cannot be solved with a simple addition of Common Sense,"

No problems with the setting...just throw the /rules/ out the window .

Oh, and SR dungeon crawls...bugs. Hives are yummy .