But only when the Exceptional Attribute (Snark) quality is taken or if wifi is enabled.

Did someone say "11"?

Because I can totally see a Shadowrun GM reading their book just before the session starts and scribbling down, "Magazine capacity 7...Laser sights is a +1...and...Magazine? *Double checks* MAGAZINE!?! *Swipes every thing off the table onto the floor* Ever since 1st Edition they've ALWAYS described a gun's bullet capacity as CLIPS!!!" *Throws $60 book against the wall in a blind rage. Stomps on it a few times while bracing it at a 45-degree angle against a sturdy wall. Tears half the pages out before throwing the combined mess into their fireplace.* FUCK THIS GAME! Those simpering assholes at CGL want to pander to the elitist gun wonks at the expense of my favorite game, they can go fuck themselves!" *Pulls out smartphone and starts a Rage Text to the all the group members* <Shadowrun sucks! Let's play WoD! It's made by a REAL game company!>

You're never going to let me live that down, are you?

You're never going to let me live that down, are you?

(edited: emphasis mine)
I dunno about that...

EDIT:

They'll just call them 'lectro-clips.

EDIT 2: For clarity.

Soooo is comparing the CGL writers to a liberal, anti-gun Senator supposed to debunk or enhance my earlier statement? I'm confused. I mean, the sheer number of dumb things politicians say in front of nationally televised news cameras...

'Lectro-clips actually has an interesting ring to it...especially if you're into the whole "Hit me! I'm almost there!" kind of stuff.

Oh, are you now pretending CGL invented the clip/magazine confusion or introduced it to Shadowrun?

*sigh*

Oh, little troll, you try so hard.

No, I was debunking the fact that even the liberals get it right.

Liberal media was my example, but I thank you for reminding us that there are obviously people, even those making statements on large distribution news sources, that have incompetent fact checkers and/or speech writers. There is a...the fact that you're making me explain source vs distribution... *sigh*

Ha, in my country we have tv news showing the guns aprehended by the police during a favela raid with something like this: "the police also aprehended 10 machine guns" while the scene in the screen shows 10 assault rifles...
I always roll my eyes.

Odd, I thought that all guns were the same based on our news...

Catalyst should fix the confusion by making all guns either belt or drum fed...

I always assumed the narrator voices for Shadowrun are the sorts of people who fire their handguns sideways while scowling, hence, 'clip' is perfectly acceptable.

But while most drums are referred to as drum magazines, there are a few who do use Drum Clip, so its back to the same argument.

Granted the latter example was for Nerf so one can forgive them for small errors....

Just say NO to Clips & Mags and say Yes to Plasma Weapons!!

Belt-fed handguns...sounds like something from a Rob Liefeld comic in the 90s. But only if it looks like it was made out of vacuum cleaner pipes and baking soda boxes.

I am definitely pro-plasma, for the record. And 'Lectro-clip, too!

Love me a Plasma Ejector... especially one with FA Capabilities.

Nice to see it's catching on. It is quite catchy - I'm very thankful to whichever muse was nearest to me at that time (or my own brain, as crazy and hard to follow as it can be sometimes...).

Man, makes me want to play Fallout 3/NV again and make video commentary. "Oh snap, I just found 30 'lectro-clips for my laser pistol!"

wonder if the slang form of 'Lectro-clip might eventually even be further abbreviated to something like 'Lecs?


Gah, I'm out.. anyone got any 'Lecs?

Possibly "troclips?"

No, they'd call them 'lectro-mags.

Except for electromagnetic weapons of course, those would use 'lectro-clips.

Is that sort of like Trollops?
Or Tralk?

All this chatter, and nobody has mentioned moon clips for revolvers.

I think I am sad now. They are even faster reloading than speedloaders. They should be on the market for every gunbunny who has a warhawk.

I'd watch it for lols. Plus I love me some Fallout, in any capacity.

I need a mic, some video making software, and a better computer. Oh look, my tax return is in...

You'd have the same old arguments. "It's not a battery, it's a power cell!"

Naah... that is old-school.
"I don't often use a Plasma Ejector, but when I do, I demand the Duracell Micro-fusion Reactor.... Keep Shooting, my Friend. "

You were saying?




-k

Needs more Dakka!

Is it bad that I really want to hook that up to a backpack? I wonder how many thousands of rounds of .22LR I could fit in a backpack and still be able to carry it...

Well, given a few grains of powder, maybe a dozen grains in brass, and let's say 40 grains in lead, call it a grand total of 60 grains per bullet. Add some for binding them together, and let's call it a round net 70 grains per cartridge plus encapsulation.

That means 100 per pound.

Let's say that you have a capacity of 50 pounds of ammunition over and above everything else you carry, and that's 5000 rounds. At a cyclical rate of 250 a minute, for easy calculation, that's 20 minutes of running your gun.

Actually, your barrel would suffer overheating pretty soon, but if you're working in bursts, that will keep you supplied for a good, long while.

Since apparently most firefights during runs are over in under 3 seconds, that seems like overkill.

Then again, overkill is underrated.

(Reference to shadowspeak in Gun Heaven 3)

Since apparently most firefights during runs are over in under 3 seconds, that seems like overkill.

Then again, overkill is underrated.

(Reference to shadowspeak in Gun Heaven 3)

Rule #1: Kill them before they kill you.
Rule #2: Always make sure they are dead.

Rotary belt fed pistol?

A Minigun chambered in .22LR. I'd buy that for a dollar.

Ditto over here. sign me up

You were saying?

Amusingly, the promo art for the failed never-produced Shadowrun Assassin video game featured a female main character with a small caliber pistol minigun.


-k

Totally awesome. Would love to know what he was using as a target.
Sadly, however, That costs more than a Dollar. Would love stats for that in SR4A, though.
Would not be hard to do, of course.

4P, AP-, BF/FA, ammo 250 (belt), availability 20R (it's a specialty item), 2500 nuyen?

4P is good damage for a 9mm or other service catridge. .22LR would be 3P or so, it's barely a varmint cartridge. Barrel overheating isn't much of an issue with a bull barrel as the powder charge is so small and the round itself doesn't have enough "oomph" to warp good steel.

That could work.

According to the comments it was actually a BB gun.

Also according to the comments the target was a TV.

Still want one...

Yes, its a bit of thread necromancy, but it is still quite cute:

https://silvercore.files.wordpress.com/2014...training-bc.jpg

Back... Thread Zombie... Back... Back to the Realms from which you were spawned...
And take that evil threadnomancer which spawned you...

So hypothetically, how would a MG or minigun in .22 LR do if you tried to use it for suppression fire? Would the reduced noise and not-so-scary bullet impacts make it notably less effective than something more conventional?

In "The Ultimate Sniper", the author John Plaster talks about one time in 'Nam where his suppressed Swedish K submachinegun seemed to be totally ineffective for suppression when trying to break contact in the jungle because it was so quiet his enemies didn't even realize they were being fired upon.

I'm kind of glad this thread got revived. I'm a bit unsure of the proper usage of magazine vs. clip, myself. I recently wrote a character vignette, though. Could some of the gun nuts maybe give it a quick scan and see if I got the terminology right?

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Karl walked into the Stuffer Shack warily, his seasoned street instincts keeping him from completely relaxing his guard, even on a trip to appease the late-night munchies. Karl's hair was magazined short on the sides and braided in a long ponytail in back, with several days' worth of stubble on his face.

Some overdone soy dogs forlornly rotated under a heater, while in the corner was an old-fashioned clip rack, with clips such as Soldier of Fortune, for people who liked the feel of paper in their hands, unlike the majority who just watched quick news magazines on the Matrix. Karl ambled past to the shelf holding cheap snacks, grabbing a bag of Ork Rinds and a can of Soylent Soda.

He electronically paid for them with his commlink, ready to head home, when suddenly a crazed ganger burst into the store, a Colt Asp in his hand. Karl stepped aside, not wanting a needless confrontation, but the punk kid pulled the trigger on him anyways. Fortunately, he only magazined his shoulder, and Karl's armored long coat easily absorbed the shot from the weaksauce light pistol. Quick as lightning, Karl drew his own gun, an equally small but more powerful Morrissey Elite heavy pistol.

While packing a surprising punch, the Elite had one major drawback, a small CLIP with a capacity of only five rounds. Karl fired a warning shot, then, seeing the punk still looking belligerent, he gave a mental shrug and fired a second round, this one drilling the ganger right between the eyes. Grabbing his purchases, Karl nonchalantly left the store, ignoring the hysterical cashier behind the counter. His smartlink informed him that he only had 3 more rounds left in his CLIIIIIIIP.
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IMO you would basically have a huge shotgun, lots of small projectiles hitting the target (nearly) at the same time. The impact should be sufficiently noticeable to make people keep their heads down.


@Glyph: If you want to go with SR terminology "clip" is correct, if you want to be correct with regards to RL terminology it's basically always "magazine". A "clip" is just the strip which holds the rounds together when feeding them into a magazine

Glyph: just because I'm a complete pedant, who actually regularly participates in events where you will find both clips and magazines, and where the difference does matter:

A clip is a passive device that holds cartridges arrayed. It may be emptied in the process of loading the firearm (typical for early twentieth century battle rifles), or it may be retained (typical for moon clips used to rapidly reload suitably modified revolvers).

A magazine is not strictly passive, but becomes part of the feed mechanism for delivery of cartridges within the firearm. Hence tube, box and drum magazines with springs, feed lips and so on.

A clip typically (although not universally) grips the cartridge's rim. Magazines likewise typically enclose the entire cartridge as part of the feed mechanism.

Clips and magazines are both specific to chamberings and firearms, although in some cases there are clips that can handle more than one closely related cartridge type (such as .38 Special, .357 Magnum and .357 Maximum).

For the record, I prefer speedloaders on revolvers.

I'm sure you knew all this, of course, but I hope that it will be of assistance to others in future.