My friends and I were talking it over and we thought a fun concept to try out would be making a troll pro wrestler turned shadowrunner.

I mean, imagine for a moment having Hulk Hogan or the Ultimate Warrior along on a run! Not necessarily effective, brother, but the potential hilarity ensuing would be awesome.

So I decided to make this thread for people to throw ideas at and see what sticks. Obviously they'll have a high performance skill and distinctive style (it's kind of what being a wrestler is all about) along with good unarmed and a high strength and body. But that's not important. I want awesome themes for this pro wrestler, brother, and possibly a reason he turned to the shadows.

Suggestions?

PS: Snap into a Slim Jim!

I don't actually have suggestions, but I did actually have an amusing concept similar to this that I never quite finished building.

Instead of a professional wrestler he was a famous masked Luchador devoted to meting out Justice.

This was originally conceived of with 4E in mind, and the idea is kind of a Reverse Batman. The character would have the National or Global Fame positive quality (possibly paired with the Day Job negative quality), representing their public ring persona of "El Guapo" or what have you. No one would actually know the Luchador's true identity, they would just know his stage name and his "bringer of justice" Luchador persona. The mystique of no one knowing who he really is would be part of the appeal of the act.

His "real" identity would then be his shadow identity, where he fights a very different kind of fight and brings a very different kind of justice. The values of noble courage and righteousness his ring persona champions don't mean much in the shadows, but then again the things you choose to do as a runner can actually have a major impact on the world around you, unlike the ultimately hollow stage fights of the ring.

That was part of what I originally imagined as getting him into the shadows, actually. He'd been leading this successful life and career for a while, caught up in the whole crazy whirlwind of being a famous entertainer (while also carefully preserving his private identity behind the mask), but he eventually undergoes a sort of Siddhartha Gautama experience and his eyes are opened to the injustice and suffering of the world.

He has a crisis of purpose, feeling that he's been living a lie, pretending on stage to fight for noble causes but in reality doing nothing to help the world. He does a lot of soul searching, and decides he can't live with himself like this. Throwing money at various charities feels hollow and he knows it ultimately doesn't change things. He's losing sleep, losing his mind, when suddenly he starts hearing a voice - and that's when he finds his path, following The Dragonslayer.

From that day forward, he just started suplexing his way through the criminal underworld and never looked back.

~Umi

Damn Umi, all you need is a leopard mask an some stylized sec armour and you have a wrestler ready for an international fightin competition hosted by one of the top ten.

So this got me interested in working on the concept again, and I went for reference videos on youtube. Hoo boy, there's OODLES of stuff up there - with a surprising amount being Japanese!

Taiga Supurexu!

~Umi

I've been expressly forbidden by both of my gaming groups from making a luchador.

Both?

There's either something you aren't telling us and they have good reason to stop you, or you play with a bunch of miserable whinging killjoys.

In either case, I advise making an empassioned and heartfelt plea for permission - preferably masked, topless, and dripping with sweat and oil - expressing the depths of your desire, the purity of your heart, the righteousness of your cause, and the might of your bulging muscles. Then, in a display of courage, skill, and fortitude, you should release your most passionate of battlecries, then heft the two GMs - one in each hand - and gracefully perform a dual flying pile driver into a bed of rose petals, all to the dulcet tones of an accompanying mariachi band.

~Umi

Your pro wrestler needs the Negative Quality, Incompetent [Stealth]. Always yells at the top of his lungs when speaking, and plays a short rock anthem (fire pots optional) whenever he enters a room.

If anything, one of the groups is amazingly averse to grappling rules. They like to avoid anything that holds a tendency towards doubling the time lost to combat. I started by wanting to play a Luchador out-of-genre (Pathfinder, Drow rogue), and then I was just blanket-forbidden. They would not allow me to have the mask. That's one group. I have no idea why they wouldn't let me do Lucha with my other group. Unfortunately, I lack rose petals, a mariachi band, and the upper-body strength to crush their resistance and make them accept my impassioned character.

Alex Louis Armstrong from FMA is just one mask and a mariachi band shy of going full Luchador.

Not quite the same, but one of the players in my group has made Zangief from Street Fighter...

"Mine right bicep is named Spassky, for its "universal style". Mine left is Kasparov, for its creative defensive moves. The triceps are Chekov and Pushkin, and all leg muscles are named after courageous dogs of Soviet space program!"

~Konstantin

The wrestler would work great alongside the Pito system of '70s LA.

After watching 'Shaolin Soccer' a couple of years ago I made a Soccer Adept for SR3
He was quite good at sports and his main weapon was a football (8L damage only but iirc 22 Dice to attack and a Range of 180 Metres)

With a Soccer Dance
Medicineman

When I have trouble maintaining my sanity, I occasionally will create a fake fight between two Shadowrun characters and narrate it. I've done 5 so far. Since you asked about trolls, Here's one with "Brick" the troll vs "Twitch" the elf. This version was 4E rules; I've got the one I did for SR5 in my sig.

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=31700

-DrZ

EDIT: Actually, the one in my sig is the 6th one I did, A pit fight between a SR5 character with a monowhip vs. one with a cyberspur. I did do a 5th edition "Friday Night Fight" boxing match though, here it is:

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=39932

Now that's funny.

That's a genius idea for a pink Mohawk game, a bunch of players trying to raise their P.20 to astronomical levels. Bring over the pseudo rules for caped crusaders/superheroes and it would be a blast.

As for the character I would go with stats being highly important. He would need a ridiculously high bod, Str, rea, and agi as well as moderately high CHA (cause really, have you ever seen a non charismatic wrestler? Even the bad ones are charismatic in the same way that ugly people in tv/movies are at best Hollywood ugly, except Steve buscemi)

Possibly
A: Stats
B: Magic/Nuyen (adept or or cyber)
C: Race
D: Skills
E: Magic/Nuyen

Stupid question: What's a pink mohawk?

A style of play, often over the top and very cinematic with big explosions and storms of bullets.

The more outrageous the better, high visibility and little to no subtlety/stealth involved.

I see. Thank you.

@ Pink Mohawk
see the Movie Smokin Aces ! Those insane redneck Brothers (with Chainsaws and 2barrelled Shotguns ) are so tipycally 'Pink Mohawk'

with a pink Dance
Medicineman

Well, subdual Combat was VERY Strong in SR4.
It used pure strength not STR/2 for damage, if i recall correctly.
So you have a point in using it. Even against Spirits.

One of Guerilla T's goals was to choke out a Spirit.

"Foolish mortal! You cannot harm me! I am of The Ageless, a being of purest- URK!"
"Say Uncle! Say Uncle!"
"Ggghhh... hrrrnnghhh..."
"Cmon, brah, just tap out. Just give up. I won't tell anyone."
*gasp, wheeze, choke*
"Shhh, little angel. That's right, go to sleep now."
"...kill... you all..."
*WHUMP!*

~Umi

Over Strengthed Troll, Lotsa Nuyen...
Choking out a Force 6 Spirit? Priceless.

So, I logged in just to resurrect this thread.

I'm totally stealing this idea, but making it as a sort of a joke character. My last character was a supremely munchkined mystical adept that was better than most of the rest of the group at their chosen roles just by being. Granted, this is partially due to a lack of understanding in some of the players (our technomancer is an idiot, for starters), but I still felt bad for alternately taking away the spotlight or being blamed for our group screwing up because since I was best at [whatever] and I gave the second best a time to shine...ah, heh. Right. Not that I'm bitter. Back to the character.

I'm playing a minotaur luchador named El Toro Negro with the Incompetence (Stealth) and Reduced Sense (Partial): Hard of Hearing defects. Also, Evil Twin, but that's mostly for the WTF factor. Thing is, due to the fact AGI is capped at 5(7) and Unarmed Combat is AGI, I'm actually a pretty terrible wrestler: even with a specialization I'm only at 13 dice without tricks. So my question is this: What tricks should I be running? I'd prefer to be a phys ad without ware since my GM uses RAW concerning essence loss (reduces both max and total, so having that fifth point in MAG would be 25 BP) and I'd like to actually be useful as something other than a bullet sponge. I'm not too familiar with subdual combat and CTRL-F has proven useless to me, so some help there would be appreciated too...

So, I logged in just to resurrect this thread.

I'm totally stealing this idea, but making it as a sort of a joke character. My last character was a supremely munchkined mystical adept that was better than most of the rest of the group at their chosen roles just by being. Granted, this is partially due to a lack of understanding in some of the players (our technomancer is an idiot, for starters), but I still felt bad for alternately taking away the spotlight or being blamed for our group screwing up because since I was best at [whatever] and I gave the second best a time to shine...ah, heh. Right. Not that I'm bitter. Back to the character.

I'm playing a minotaur luchador named El Toro Negro with the Incompetence (Stealth) and Reduced Sense (Partial): Hard of Hearing defects. Also, Evil Twin, but that's mostly for the WTF factor. Thing is, due to the fact AGI is capped at 5(7) and Unarmed Combat is AGI, I'm actually a pretty terrible wrestler: even with a specialization I'm only at 13 dice without tricks. So my question is this: What tricks should I be running? I'd prefer to be a phys ad without ware since my GM uses RAW concerning essence loss (reduces both max and total, so having that fifth point in MAG would be 25 BP) and I'd like to actually be useful as something other than a bullet sponge. I'm not too familiar with subdual combat and CTRL-F has proven useless to me, so some help there would be appreciated too...

Edit: I should mention, in case it's not obvious from playing a metavariant, this is SR4A.

Subdual Combat has one major advantage in SR4.
It's the only thing that deals straight up STR+x as Damage once propperly applied, and not just STR/2+x.
The Problem with this is, that you need to close to the target and actually stay there too, instead of just running in, doing damage, finding cover.
You will, realistically speaking, be spending most of your combats flat on the ground doing stuff that would get you a role in a cheap porn flick without the clothing.
So you need to be
A: Really fast to get into clost combat reach
B: Really good at dodging ranged combat
C: Really good at soaking ranged combat

If you can't sneak woth shit, this only gets harder because as a surprise attack being grappled by a troll is INSANELY effective.
Surprised means they don't get to try to dodge and maybe even not defend themselves. They only get to soak your STR+x-their Armor Damage.
Seeing how this is stun, it also means their stun track is the target. So if you are a Troll with STR12 and have some damage modificators on your side, then you will be dealing more than enough stun damage in one round to knock anybody out that you can surprise.

Would Celerity and Satyr Legs go towards that "getting in there quick?" Surged for the legs, for theme. My movement is 30/70.

Celerity stacks with Satyr Legs no problem, and definitely counts for "getting in there quick". (And arguably you can stack both of those with Inline Skates (as well... but you might piss off your GM .)

If you're going the Adept route and you feel your dice pool for grappling is too low, toss in some ranks of Improved Skill: Unarmed Combat (bearing in mind that it is limited to 1/2 your natural skill rating). Combat Skills are pricier than non-combat, but it can be well worth your while.

I know you aren't keen on ware, but technically you could burn a point of magic for some bioware to get you above your natural Agility limit, as the Adept powers are completely inefficient above an attribute's natural maximum. Also, even more technically, you can turn a pair of Hardliner Gloves into a Weapon Focus, but those are pricey in more than one way.

Martial Arts are your friends too, giving you even more dice to attack with and allowing you to use Maneuvers. Roll to Grapple, then upon success immediately use your next action to employ Finishing Move to apply damage before the enemy has a chance to break free.

Oh, and while we're at it, let's go back to the movement speed absurdity and crank it even higher - get your friendly neighborhood summoner to bind a spirit and then "lend" you a bound service, then ask the spirit to use the Movement power on you. A spirit of Force 4 can quadruple your movement speed if your Body is 4 or less, or double it if your Body is 8 or less. They can also maintain the power indefinitely (if Bound) and can even do so while following you astrally.

So your 30/70 jumps to 45/115 with Inline Skates, and then if you're a big heavy Troll that gets doubled to 90/230, or if you're a bit more slim you end up at 180/460, at which point you can easily outrun an Aztechnology Aguilar-GX Attack Helicopter.

If the spirit also knows Concealment, then you can enjoy a free Chameleon Coating that stacks cumulatively with an actual Chameleon Coating! Now they really won't know what hit them!

~Umi

go here and take a look at the pixie puncher
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=24131
some of that should be applicable to your Luchadore Troll.

@Umi
I have trouble seeing a Troll with less than 8 body, let alone 4 o.O

...racist.

~Umi

..Trolls start w/ Body 5 minimum...

Trollman have bad case mumps when young. Never really get much better. Trollman wish be strong like Mungo, but guess be happy as blogger, like hero FILM-CRITIC-HULK.

A minor technicality!

~Umi

It´s an AVERAGE value...zero representative. ^^

I actually tried to find a way to produce a 4 Body Troll, my first instinct being the Impaired Attribute negative quality, but that only drops your current Attribute if gained during play, and it doesn't technically lower your Minimum, meaning you still couldn't drop from 5 to 4 with it.

I kept searching for other options for a while, but I ultimately decided it's simply so much easier to boost the Force of the Spirit using Movement by 1 point.

~Umi

..one Explanation would be Burnout-level addiction of steroids before growth-period begins (Attribute loss)
..moving this to answer post 36..)

Or he has the same sickness that i have: couch-potatoe-ism...ish...whatever. ^^

..before by eyes flashed freaky image of Body 4 and Str 9 Troll ( Muscle Augmentation lvl 4 bioware installed)

If something like muscle-augentation would exist, it would be the no. 1 sales-item of the world. Think of all the lazy guys that suddenly start up with a six-pack. ^^ I would be one of them...of course.

I had a troll named Chromed Demon. He was a guatarist in a rock band. He had enough cyber in him (Cyber everything) and a distinctive chrome look to everything including his guns and bikes. Yes he was a thrill seeker.

..Sleep Regulator would my first buy..

Naa, i like sleeping too much. I think cerebral booster would be cool for the job. Muscle-toner and augmentation for the ladies. Anything else wouldn´t be that helpful in real-life.

sleep regulator also lets you sleep on command, not just sleep less.
so yes, i would buy that one too. after that a DNI and eyes. built in tv baby!

And i will say it, because nobody else would dare to: don´t forget the penile implant. ^^

no...just H**l no.. there ARE some cyber that-you-do-not-speak-of..

Captain Niveau...we are sinking.

don't need it, original equipment adequately working

baaah...standard ware. ^^ LAAAAME!!!! Go chrome-king.^^

The problem is that no matter the source of Attribute Loss, you can't actually end up less than your Minimum.

~Umi