That's great for Florida and all, but I'm pretty sure getting a CCW there isn't all that difficult in the first place. I also doubt it will pass as situations like state broadcast emergencies and natural disasters are one of those times you do not want untrained people carrying firearms and other weapons. Panic sets in and people forget common sense.

Well sure, good cause is defined as "donating a lot of money to the right politicians". When you hire one of the lawyers in NYC who specializes in getting people issued permits and hand them the bag of cash, they won't tell you and you won't ask how they do this, but you both know where a lot of that cash is going.

Why not just modify the claymore with easy breakdown p150 of arsenal.

.. slightly remembering seeing that in Highlander-movie (Kurgan?? assembling a sword in hotel room...)

Yeah, that was Kurgan with the badass broadsword in parts. Not really practical, but super cool.

The problem with the Arsenal mods is that 1) they're 4E and we're discussing 5E; 2) they're intended for firearms; and 3) any sword which you can break down into pieces is going to be a piece of garbage - it's just how blacksmithing works.

~Umi

1) I didn't see an edition tag but even so I assume there is an equivalent mod in R&G.
2) p148 "These rules may be used to modify any type of weapon, though they are primarily intended for modifying firearms."
3) It's a game.

Arsenal pg.148 just under the fat text WEAPON MODIFICATIONS " These rules may be used to modify any (!!) type of weapon...

**edit** just being ninjaed

Except there are obvious limitations. You can't install an Additional Clip into a weapon that lacks clips, for example.

Guns are already built in pieces, and the idea of taking a gun apart and putting it back together is inherent to the design. Not so with swords. Certain melee weapons, sure, like spears or staves or batons, but not blades.

~Umi

Ahem:
http://www.zzz.com.ru/data/articles/issue_...alita-blade.jpg
i may have found a solution to the initial question ^^

I'd class that as a collapsible polearm.

~Umi

should work with swords too
and if you go with cyberlimbs:
built in holster, so why not built in sheath?

ZOMFG, you want to ban concealed carry!!!!11111111
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not me..

I believe that's called a cyberspur.

~Umi

..Surged Troll w/elongated limbs decided going cyber and installing arm-blade..

Who said anything about blacksmithing? With modern CNC, CPM, and variable heat treating technologies you could certainly make a very effective breakdown sword. It wouldn't be as tough as a solid sword of the same materials, but it would certainly be enough to do the deed. It's not about "can't", it's about "costs too much to bother'.

Why not?

If someone's really wanting to run around in the 2070s and be just "the guy who's dangerous in melee," fuck it, I'm willing to let him. Everyone else has guns and grenades and spells and stuff, if some dude wants to specialize in swordfighting, I'm willing to work with 'em in how they can carry the thing around and stuff.

No, i believe the Spur does not grant the +1 reach and can not be dropped/thrown right?
I want, basically, on the back or in the leg where you would usually carry a gun, just something i can store my sword in.
And if it is in a metal leg or torso anyway, good luck finding it in there. The Cyber-Holster grants a +2 concealment bonus, something like that for a sword.

As a GM? I personally am quite liberal about any weapon mod that makes sense.

But the key phrase there is "makes sense". Collapsible swords or blades that can be broken down into small pieces don't make sense. Memory alloy ones do, so I actually house rule those in as a mod option, but not the others. It's not about "game balance" - goodness knows that in 4E, melee characters need all the help they can get. It's about my ability to suspend my disbelief, and my desire to maintain a semblance of near-reality (because magic) through abstraction.


I was joking, but then again I had also thought that you were.

Simple point I'd like to make about a cyber-scabbard: even putting aside the physical difficulties of fitting such a large space into a cyberlimb, note that anything large enough to hold and conceal a sword is necessarily going to be large enough to hold and conceal most Longarms.

Cyberholsters are small. They and their cousins, Large Smuggling Compartments, can't hold anything bigger than a pistol. And if they or any other cyberimplants could, we'd have sammies running around with undetectable assault rifles stashed in their limbs (...somehow).

Now, if we're talking a memory alloy blade? One of those "scabbards" could easily be accomodated, because the blade becomes "foldable" and you can coil it up in a small space or snake it around inside a cyberlimb as necessary. But if you're trying to conceal a long, rigid blade of metal inside your body, the only real option is to impale yourself, and even then it probably won't all fit.

Anyway, if all you want is a blade weapon that can be concealed in a cyberlimb, as well as detached and thrown, then get a Projectile Spur from Augmentation. They even come with a bonus superhuman "Throwing" strength of 14. You won't get the Reach, but oh well. (If it was large enough of a weapon to deserve reach, it wouldn't fit inside your forearm, now would it?)

~Umi

Which is kinda annoying in the case of Troll-Arms that are actually per RAW longer and thus should be able to fit something like that quite easy.
Same with Torso and Leg in the Case of Trolls actually. And i just measured, from hip to knee, my leg is 50cm long. My Ninjato has, after a quick measuring, yes, also 50cm of BLADE length.
That would leave all of 15cm of hilt poking out at about hip height. which is easy enough to hide under lose clothing. And it won't get into the way of movement much either, because the knee bends below the point and the hip bends in the other way next to the hilt. if you ain't doing splits at least. The Torso as well is long enough, and if you put the sword parallel to the backbone, you won't have much in the way of problems with movement.
Because most movement you do with your upper body is twisting/turning and bowing down is in the lower part of the spinal coloumn as well.

As for the problem of hiding larger guns in your limbs: cyber implant shotgun is a thing that exists in shadowrun. so i don't see why anything of that length with less moving parts and with less girth and with less heat production should be a problem being fit into there either.
Fold Up sword:
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/b...Sword4sized.jpg

The cyber-implant shotgun is flatly inferior to other shotguns, both in base stats and the inability to modify it. The only niche it fills is that it's the only two-handed weapon that can be fired "one-handed". Yet even with that, a Ruger Super Warhawk in a Cyberholster is demonstrably superior, so why bother? The only thing the cybershotgun does better is that it can hit multiple targets.

So yeah, if you specifically want to use medium or wide choke settings on a shotgun; and if you absolutely have to have it at -6 Concealability rather than merely -2; and if you happen to have a full cyberarm; and if you're willing to use up the capacity of that cyberarm on the cybershotgun; and if you're willing to sacrifice the extra base recoil compensation, and extra base ammunition, and default burst fire capabilities, and non-Capacity-costing Silencer and Smartgun accessories and modifications you could get with other external shotguns; then yeah, sure, it's an okay pick.

But I've never, ever heard of anyone actually taking a cybershotgun. It's just not worth it for most characters, and even absurdly specialized shotgun-centric builds would be better served with an external option.


Bwa ha ha hah! Aaaahhhh ha ha ha hah! Oh, goodness! Oh me, oh my!

*wipes away tears of mirth*

Yeah, no. That's a useless hunk of scrap. The "blade" (and I use the term incrediby loosely) is going to snap off at the joint at the first bit of resistance and unfavorable leverage. I wouldn't weed my garden with that nonsense.

~Umi

Well, there are those flexible Chinese swords you see in kung fu movies. The ones that can be wrapped around your body and concealed that way. Granted, I don't know if those are practical weapons in the real world, they look awfully flimsy to me. But the point is, there are blades out there with a large degree of flex, enough that you might be able to get it into a small space, especially if you take 2070 metallurgy into account.

We ARE taking 2070s metallurgy into account. In the form of memory alloy.

We already have a perfectly good in-world technology that solves the problem elegantly. Why do you insist on trying to reinvent the wheel? All it needs is to be a full weapon mod option, rather than just being a one-off weapon.

~Umi

Because for one, we might not need it to be a weapon mod option, if the weapon already exists. And for two, I don't have Run and Gun just yet, but if it doesn't have Memory Metal mods in it we'll have to invent something.

There are two obvious answers about how to "hide" larger swords from being seen:

1. The "Highlander" way: You actually don't really hide them at all, despite making bad attempts of hiding them under long coats ... if need be they can appear out of thin air.
2. The "Blind Fury" way: Go "blind", get yourself a Katana-like sword without a hilt and put it into a scabbard that makes the whole thing look like a (slightly overweight) blindman's stick / asian priest's walking cane

There is a way to make a break-apart sword that wouldn't have an inherent single-structural weak point like a joint (for a single-blade sword, at least). Separate the back, blade, and handle into separate, overlapping metal or ceramic (as we love ceramics for hiding weapons ) components, such that the cut-point(s) on the back does not fall in the same area as the cut points on the blade. Screw points on the back to hold the blade in place, preferably with some sort of cushion (rubber/plastic) between joints to help reduce stress damage. No guard on the pommel to reduce bulk and make assembly more logical, though could conceivably be included as part of what holds it together. Would take a complex action (Armorer) to assemble and take apart. An additional concealment penalty when assembled due to being slightly bulkier than a standard counterpart, when apart, higher concealment rating, but it's obvious what it is if it IS found.

You could also just make it a piecemeal blade. Materials like 3V combine a completely ridiculous amount of toughness and hardness into one material and a pair of spines along the CNC fuller with some tabs to hold it all together would work just dandy.