Probably. Also, while I don't know if it panned out this way in the votes, I generally saw that the thread had the people who had more Earthdawn experience arguing for the Horrors whilst those who had less argued Humans. Perhaps the new blood has less Earthdawn knowledge?

~J

I'm old blood SR, but I know next to nothing about ED. Except that you can play a race that can make flour using it's butt-cheeks.

Ah, well. Some of us have survived the Earthdawn novels. Back when Horrors were Horrors, dammit. Little more needs be said.

And I dare your average gnasher to stand up to 1st Armored +60 years.

I think the counterpoint to your point, AE, is that nothing I've been presented about human military capacity has led me to believe that it is any more imposing than I had initially surmised.

~J

That is fine. Most of my posts about the metahuman military capacity have been directed at the people who were suggesting the possibility of an actual military-type invasion. If indeed it would happen that there was a scourge in the SR world, it would be immensely unlikely that it would be similar to ED, with horrors actually flooding in, so military capacities would be largely unimportant.

Well, a good horror would be like the thing from Angel of Darkness.

When Humans fight Horrors, do you know who wins?

The viewers, friends, the viewers (or alternately the players).

~J

Quite honestly, given Dunkelzahn's sacrifice, I think the bigger question is "will humanity still be alive by the time the Horrors are able to come a-knockin'".

I have this mental image of all the most powerful Named Horrors bursting through onto earth, looking around at the blasted landscape devoid of life, and letting out a large, collective "Awwww…"

~J

But, the Horrors only kill, maim, torture, and torment because they have to to feed and survive! They're not responsible for what nature made them. Orks can't help having tusks or short tempers, can they? Or elves put asside their pointy ears and curly-toed shoes?

Horror-Rights Policlub: Doing what we can to enact positive change for these, poor, misunderstood forces of eternal evil. We at the HRP believe that even soul-draining abominations of astral space deserve respect from their communities, and proper representation in local and national goverment. And we are committed to that belief.

One massive thing meta-humanity seems to have on its side is numbers of people working to advance technology. As near as I've ever been able to tell, sure the top level individual named horrors are smarter and more powerful than the best of meta-humanity, but there don't seem to be many of them. There is no indication that there is more than one Artificer, or being like him amongst the horrors, who uses advanced technology. Meta-humanity, on the other hand, has hundreds to thousands, and as time goes on maybe more, genius+ IQ people working on any number of different areas that could help fight the horrors. There seem to be huge numbers of horrors, but the vast majority of them are low-mid level, with only a few very powerful ones. This means the meta-humanity should learn and grow in power at a much higher rate than the horrors.
That being said, if some massive ritual screwed everything up and caused the Scourge to come in 2065, meta-humanity would still be screwed because they are missing critical technological advancements which could combine magic and technology. Once meta-humanity passes that barrier, and at least the majority are awakened in some way (which should happen as the magic level increases, and before the Scourge), I'd put my money on meta-humanity.

If this point has been made and refuted, I apologize, but I don't have the patience to read through all 25 pages of this thread.

It's been made several times, as has the point that whatever technology metahumanity has is subject to Horror use because one of the things the big nasties love to do is turn Name-givers against each other.

Sure, Bone Crown may not know how to make a nuclear weapon or computer virus, or how they work, but I'm sure it'd be more than capable of inducing someone to use them.

~J

To quote Agent Smith, we humans "mulitply".

Certes, Horror-right are very important. After we invade their metaplane, we've to make sure that Horror prisoners do not have their Horror right violated and we'll have to establish a Horror POW Tribunal and make sure they get their Red Cross packages.

Given the way metahumanity does things, we're so screwed up that we'll probably detonate it before the big guys even make it across or leave it behind as a going away present at the next down cycle.

The Horrors are not reflections of our evil, they predate us, therefore they are not caused by evil of humanity. Besides, evil is part of humanity. Human nature will defeat the Horrors precisely because they appeal to the evil side of humanity.

If anything we are the reflections of the horror's desires, as they came first!

They can be evil as they want...in the last few seconds before they're incinerated like the outdated pieces of garbage that they are.

Not us, dude. Them.

Ah, in which case you're wrong

~J

Says you and 60 Corrupted fellows. Sell out. You're all pawns!! Pawns, I say!!

Toturi: get the pitchforks an' torches (the astral nuke)! We gonna have us a Horror BBQ!

edit: Do you guys want light meat or dark meat?

Have you ever considered who has access to that drinking fountain you use? When they start whispering to you, you'll remember us…

~J

I use a Brita™ that's actually a new Filtering Focus.

How strange. I wasn't aware that we could bypass those yet. Squads are reporting from both intestines, kidneys, and your adrenal and pituitary glands, though, so something must have gone right.

~J

Time for one of those clone bodies I keep lying around...

No, which makes it all the more fun.

I think horrors only have dark meat. But really, there's only one way to find out!

JaronK

Yep. Fry 'em all.

I guess my point is

Humans can read minds, too.

"I've fought this battle a million times in my head."
"And I've heard this a million times."
"I know the counters to all your moves before you've had a chance to blink."
"We're playing checkers."
"I've mapped out every contingency and projected it in my own consciousness as an infinite fractal snowflake of tactical inevitabilities. I call it the fractatical."
"You have one piece left, man."
"Yes, it's what we fractatical geniuses call 'lulling you into a false sense of security'."
"We've only played for three turns."
"All part of the plan."
"And, I have more pieces on my side now than were included in the box."
"I am aware."
"And it's my turn."
"Do your best. But I warn you, it's not good enough. I've–"
"Right, right, a million times. I get it. There, I jumped your last guy. I win."
"Ha! Little do you know that I repainted all the red pieces black and all the black pieces red. You, the black player, just destroyed the final black piece. I played you like a fool the whole time. Haha!"
"Only, since the piece is, y'know, red, it's red. You're the red player. You lost."

"Red's on the what now?"

~J

Hey ...

Well...

Wow, I'd forgotten those little marks I had sent out. Ok, so they were only good for spoiler addiction, I'll have to see if they can be upgraded or just need to be replaced.

Clever.

Just saying that mind probe isn't exclusive to the Corrupt.

And I think you're missing the humor.

Relax. Most of the heat is gone from this flame war.

*casts mind probe on toturi*

GAK! toturi is actually a horror construct trying to lull us into a false sense of security! believe not his lies!

*is corrupted by the contact with a horror-tainted mind*

Err, I mean, disregard everything I just said. The horrors pose no threat.

My money is on the namegivers... but by a VERY narrow margin