People are asking for one game better than Halo.
Many have listed mutliples, and often times we see the same list.

But there's one game that simply stands alone in the crowd out there as purely one of the most creative and fun FPS's made.

Perfect Dark.

Kage that is not styrategy and tactics that is memorizing where the goodies are. In CStrike I have seen teams of mediocre players wipe the floor with teams of quake kings because they used S4 teamwork. It was very fun to watch

No, that is strategy and tactics. Knowing where the goodies are, yes, but then actually getting them out from under other players who also know where the goodies are?

~J

Well for actual strategy and tactics I think America's Army is the best game ever. (www.americasarmy.com)

I like it precisely because the pace is slow and it's relatively realistic. There are basically no pickups or powerups (although you can get a medic to stop your bleeding, or you can pick up the SAW if the automatic rifleman dies or drops it), you can use iron sights with breathing, and you can actually bleed to death.

IMHO, that completely pwns every other FPS for that reason, and in fact I wish that there was a set of America's Army singleplayer levels just so I could revel in the engine.

I agree, America's Army is absolutely marvellous for playing out modern infantry warfare from the view-point of a single infantry squad. I absolutely would not want a game like that for SR, though -- SR is not about ultra-realistic modern infantry warfare.

And, as much as I've thought about single-player America's Army, I'm kinda glad it doesn't exist. AI would completely fuck it up and the scenarios would have to be extremely short so that the fact that your character can die instantly without warning at any time does not make it too frustrating.

If you are interested in turn based combat, you can take a look at Silent Storm, though availability in the US is apparently spotty.

I have both NOLF 1 and 2. While I respect NOLF 1 for greater cultural purity, the game play is horrible compared to NOLF 2. It's like they tried to screw you over by putting all the near-duplicate pistols on your quickdraw list while putting the actual useful and different items like the exploding lipstick deep down in your toggle menu.

I actually have Shogo, but I can't run it. Probably because my DirectX is too recent. Shame.

Ew, DirectX…

~J

Really?I can still run shogo on my Directx9b.

I amy be romanticising those last 3, the 2 NOLF's nad SHOGO. I really remember liking SHOGO though.

Well when I try to run Shogo the graphics are messed up, and the starting menu is invisible. However, I have no problems with any other games, including Nolf 1 and 2 and many much more recent games. So if it's not DirectX I have no idea what the issue could be.

I know that I asked for advise on what to play instead of Halo, and thanks for the tips. But I did that mostly to try and be reasonable. I´d like to say that I play a lot of computer/video games and my deciding to like Halo is an informed decision. And its not because I´m stupid or have bad taste. It´s that I have a different perspective. I was never much into FPS before Halo. I liked some for the story and atmosphere, like Marathon and Halflife. But I was always sucked at them. I´m a console player by heart, eccept for RPG´s. Halo handles like a console game. It´s the first console FPS that really works. And it gives me a sense of complete control. I rock at Halo, like with other console games. That´s a lot more fun than sucking.

So in other words, one of the big reasons I dislike it (I completely agree, even on the computer it handles like a console game) is one of the big reasons you like it. Fair enough.

~J

I found out the cause of my problem:

I know this is thread digging but here it goes.

Alright here folks I heard from an unofficial source that Microsoft and Bungie Games are working on a Shadowrun game rpg/adventure. There is no verified completion date or actual pictures this is just merely a rumor. At the moment if Bungie and Microsoft are working then it can mean:

It will will be similar to Knights of the Old Republic. And have many characters and choices in terms of dialogue, storyline and character development.

It will be a Realtime combat game similar to diablo, baldurs gate or some other crappy rpg that doesn't allow for much character development other than leveling and picking the most powerful gear.

It will suck.

It will be good and they will work on an appropiate engine that can support a system that is Turn Based and has all the Shadowrun features (Full race and character choices along with actually going throught the long process of designing a character) that we have came to know and love over the years of running.

Be it as it may we do not know what they have planned for a Shadowrun rpg. Hell it might even be like the Sega version.

A rumor is a rumor in the PC gaming industry, but Bungie being the developer would be a bit of a surprise - I would have thought that FASA Interactive would be leading up dev work if it were still a existant body under the Microsoft banner. (I'm a little out of touch with the PC field these days - has FASA Inter. been dissolved recently?)

In any regards, if the rumor is true, it may very well be either a RTS/RPG (like Baldur's Gate) or a shooter of some sort. This is considering what Bungie has been putting out as of late.

I could see it fitting in rather nicely as a RTS/RPG, probably with the combat and magic system intergrated, maybe rigging (I can't see decking/the Matrix really being fitted in an initial release, though).

Now if it's a shooter, then it could go down the Halo route or the Deus Ex route (the DX route probably being the better one, but it may not be the one they pick out for the title). In either case, it'll probably have some real-time conversion of the standard rules, and may include decking; an FPS would work better than the RTS/RPG method for Matrix operations. You could have a random system generator for Matrix runs - they already have done random mission generators in FPS's before (Soldier of Fortune 2).

It'll be interesting to see if this rumor is true or not.

LordHaHa

Though it's correct that FASA is still around. I'm not aware of anything that they're actually doing, however.

~J

This would be cooler than the MMO IMO. Here's my two cents on some of the other games mentioned (and not) that it might be modeled after:

HALO - Personally, I wouldn't want to see a SR game in FPS mode. By its very name, the game should be about running the shadows, not nuking armies of enemies. If that's the case, then I would hope the game is called "Shadowrun: Desert Wars". However, I'm one of the people who actually likes pretty much everything about the HALO games (both 1 & 2). The first was a bit repetitive in the latter levels, but solid on the fun factor all the way through. 2 was just all kinds of fun and had some really innovative level design. The AI can be bad at times, however its nowhere near the worst out there. In fact, there are quite a few enemies that are unpredictable in both 1 & 2 (not including grunts). True, neither is doing anything new, but when a game stays in rotation in my box for months on end (without any swapping... 'cept for a kill fix on Manhunt), it's a good game.

Morrowind - This is the style of game that I would hope it appears in. The open-ended feeling is great. Being able to explore a richly detailed world is great. The whole "main storyline vs. do what thou wilt" element is great. Character focus and development is great. Plus, the game relies on the player being good at the physical element of combat... not just a bunch of hidden rolls for fighting, as in Final Fantasy.

Dungeon Siege/Neverwinter Nights - Either of these styles of game would be fun as well. Makes it easy to mod, which would be really cool. Has enough detail to keep one interested.

Dues EX - Ugh, I hope not. I wasn't very fond of this game. I'd rather play SR as a Splinter Cell knock-off than this type of FPS.

Freelancer - Yeah, its a space game, but its a really cool space game. I'd like to see this level of detail on the trading... er, freelancing aspect of Shadowrun. This game totally feels like a far future space Shadowrun. Anyone else like this one for the same reason?

Oh, and Crimson Skies was fun. I thought they did a good job with that, not that it has anything to do with why I'd like it as a Shadowrun game though.

To be honest, I enjoy the Doom series more than I did Halo.

(Yes, I like Ultimate Doom more than Halo)

But anyway, with regards to a shadowrun game, I will have to wait until more details come out before jumping to any real conclusions.

i would also like to say not all MMoRPG's are bad, personally, ever crack wouldnt be my first choice but eh..

I would say if they make a morrowind version, they NEED to expand the skill system... i had most of my used skills maxed way early... to the point that i stopped playing it.

then again, with SR you shouldnt be able to increase your skills just by DOING them. Got that karma to spend, so that might not even be an issue.

Addendum:

Unreal Tournie - Please, gods of justice... no. I can't stand how hyper fast that game is. Mostly because some of my UT junkie friends can whip my ass a dozen times before I can figure out the play board, but also because it just looks nuts when you see about 10 toons jumping around Mario-style, firing insane amounts of ammo. Gah, that game pisses me off. Again, mostly because I'm inept at it.

I like the game, Quake-wannabe that it is, but ye gods would it be awful for Shadowrun.

~J

Yea, a friend of a friend of mine last year said that microsoft was doing something about a shadowrun video game then. But something like 90% of games that are started are not finished, so it is still unlikely to happen.

Yea, that fof is, I think, some sort of senior game designer at ms.

I remember playing a game at my cousin's house once, not so long ago, called Killzone... I think. I bring this one up because it made amazing use of firing around, under, over and through cover. You could press up against, duck under, and hide behind almost any construct in the game. Plus, there was really cool architectural destruction in it.

I think a decent SR FPS could be made from a combo of Mercenaries and Killzone.