C) Had another Ghost Dance, probably increasing the spike while he was at it.
D) Released Spider.
~J
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You know, theres a lot to be said for just considering the novels to be trashy, supermarket checkout books that the characters can read and discuss.
E) Did something magical that zapped a bunch of nukes.
F) Fought Spider on the Astral.
I still think he's a punk.
F) Fought Spider on the Astral.
I still think he's a punk.
Jack Skater, now that's one I've read - Headhunter, I think. Were there any Skater novels after that one?
"Preying for Keeps"
Edit: IIRC, "Headhunters" is the second book.
Those are actually my favorite books after 2XS. "House of the Sun" didn't do a whole lot for me and "Lone Wolf" was a bad 2XS clone IMO. I also dug "Night's Pawn."
Edit: IIRC, "Headhunters" is the second book.
Those are actually my favorite books after 2XS. "House of the Sun" didn't do a whole lot for me and "Lone Wolf" was a bad 2XS clone IMO. I also dug "Night's Pawn."
I don't really get off on the whole 'Dirk Montgomery - Mundane Wuss' thing.
Night's Pawn is probably my favorite Shadowrun novel (even though it does contain Grounding ... and they geeked the cute Mage
).
Night's Pawn is probably my favorite Shadowrun novel (even though it does contain Grounding ... and they geeked the cute Mage
).
Its more like Dirk Montegomery-Average Joe Saves World. Well, sorta. Any way you slice it, I just liked the writing style and the characters. It also had the cool feel of "he bit off more than he could chew." Sprinkle in a little personal loss (his sister, and the Ex-Girlfriend), and a pinch of sacrifice (Toshi and Hawk) and you've got a pretty good book IMO.
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| Night's Pawn is probably my favorite Shadowrun novel (even though it does contain Grounding ... and they geeked the cute Mage ). |
Krista Freid? I was a little surprised by that, too.
Meh, they always geek the cute ones.
And one the subject, getting sick of the heroes of books (or their other halves) dying at the end. Not a SR thing, specifically, just been reading a lot of books that turn out that way recently. Sucker for a happy ending, that's me
And one the subject, getting sick of the heroes of books (or their other halves) dying at the end. Not a SR thing, specifically, just been reading a lot of books that turn out that way recently. Sucker for a happy ending, that's me
Read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
Seriously though, you have a good point. I think novel, TV show, movie, and video game creators all think "darker is better." Which is only true some of the time.
Seriously though, you have a good point. I think novel, TV show, movie, and video game creators all think "darker is better." Which is only true some of the time.
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| The point is that I've not seen anyone (ANYONE) complain that Burnout is too powerful yet. But there is evidently a lot of negative opinion on Mercury. In fact, I've never seen anyone bitch about how munchkin the antagonist is in the books. Why? I really don't know. |
In this case it's because Burnout has more personality in his left pinky than Ryan in his entire body. We're talking about a guy that needed a mindmeld with Roxy to get something that resembles a personality (except for his Dunkie worship and obsession with Nadias nipples...
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| We're talking about a guy that needed a mindmeld with Roxy to get something that resembles a personality (except for his Dunkie worship and obsession with Nadias nipples... ). |
I think the mindmeld actualy did give him personality. (and it happened early enough that his char had personality throughout)
and Im not sure Ryan is the one with the unhealthy elf nipple obsesion. =P
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| And I believe that this was a silly poll-no offense to the submitter. |
Heh, no offense taken. I honestly didn't know about the books, so it was actually a serious question.
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| Any way you slice it, I just liked the writing style and the characters. It also had the cool feel of "he bit off more than he could chew." Sprinkle in a little personal loss (his sister, and the Ex-Girlfriend), and a pinch of sacrifice (Toshi and Hawk) and you've got a pretty good book IMO. |
Don't get me wrong ... I like Findley's writing, and almost everything else about his books except for Mr. Mundane Wuss himself.
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| Krista Freid? I was a little surprised by that, too. |
Pissed me right off at the time.
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In this case it's because Burnout has more personality in his left pinky than Ryan in his entire body. We're talking about a guy that needed a mindmeld with Roxy to get something that resembles a personality (except for his Dunkie worship and obsession with Nadias nipples... ). |
Ryan had more personality in his Killing Hands than Burnout had in all his cyberlimbs including the one with the machine gun. We're talking about a guy that still had less soul even with 2 spirits trapped in the same body.
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and Im not sure Ryan is the one with the unhealthy elf nipple obsesion. =P |
Heh. You're new around here, aren't you?
Nadia's nips come up (no pun intended) in every thread that mentions the "Dragon Heart Trilogy." I think its just because that secne was soooo absurdly wirtten that we can't help but bust on it.
Despite my gripes, I actually enjoyed the Dragon Heart Trilogy. It was a classic story of epic proportions.
But that doesn't mean that I think Ryan is any less of a munchkin. The biggest muchkin award goes to Argent, IMHO. "Run Fast, Die Hard" was...difficult for me. It was a good story but the main guy in it tooled around with twin Super Machs
. It was just a little too Steven Segal for me.
Similarly, "The Terminus Experiment" was just bizzar.
In Argent's defence, he wasn't originally as bad before Odem 'borrowed' him.
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| In Argent's defence, he wasn't originally as bad before Odem 'borrowed' him. |
I agree. That's my point.
He was cool in 2XS. It went all down hill after that.
Just like the Villians? Have you read my posts man? I hate the books-ALL of them. Burning Bright is the only exception for me. Which sucks because I think SR does have some good fiction out there-I love reading the core books.
Chris Kubasik si the guy who wrote the UB story if I remember right, and Renny's story in VR1. Those were just great. I absolutely love them-I still read them every few months just to enjoy them.
There is also a plethora of gifted talent out there that I think could do the books. Fan Pro, and Fasa before them just didn't manage to dig deep enough in their pockets for them. Look at how successful Battletech books are, or D&D's many series. SR is a great setting. It should sell-The Matrix movies are proof of that.
Chris Kubasik si the guy who wrote the UB story if I remember right, and Renny's story in VR1. Those were just great. I absolutely love them-I still read them every few months just to enjoy them.
There is also a plethora of gifted talent out there that I think could do the books. Fan Pro, and Fasa before them just didn't manage to dig deep enough in their pockets for them. Look at how successful Battletech books are, or D&D's many series. SR is a great setting. It should sell-The Matrix movies are proof of that.
I need to get back to writing my random SR fiction…
~J
~J
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| Paul Posted on Dec 3 2004, 01:40 AM Just like the Villians? Have you read my posts man? I hate the books-ALL of them. |
I don't know what your talking about.
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| Chris Kubasik si the guy who wrote the UB story if I remember right, and Renny's story in VR1. Those were just great. I absolutely love them-I still read them every few months just to enjoy them. |
Ditto
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| There is also a plethora of gifted talent out there that I think could do the books. Fan Pro, and Fasa before them just didn't manage to dig deep enough in their pockets for them. Look at how successful Battletech books are, or D&D's many series. SR is a great setting. It should sell-The Matrix movies are proof of that. |
I don't know where you read. If you have sites let us know.
I honestly didn't know Battletech fiction was that successful. But I also never have played so that may have something to do with it. D&D...I get why they're successful but I don't think its a good comparison. When those books first came out, they were the only option for RPers. Ie, the Dragonlance saga (which has gone down hill waaaaaay faster than 9.8 meters per second per second in the last 10 years, IMO).
The rest of the D&D books I don' t think are worth the paper they were printed on (Mika Oba, 1000 kobolds? c'mon.). The exception being the books by R.A. Salvatore. Yes, Drizzt is painfully a goody-good but the books are mostly well written (I thought the Wolfgar book was a drag).
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| Kagetenshi Posted on Dec 3 2004, 01:51 AM I need to get back to writing my random SR fiction… ~J |
Hell yeah! The Arc story was great!
For fan fic, if you have a livejournal, check out Mr_Harkwood . His journal is an IC master work in my opinion. There's certainly more. I think someday, someone should make an organized effort to collect all the fic thats been posted here, and on other SR sites.
There's tons of it.
There's tons of it.
I don't know what live journal is so I guess that means I don't have it.
I always liked Nightfire's stuff.
I always liked Nightfire's stuff.
Link.
Whoever wrote it was lazy, though. They didn't alter the timestamp on the post.
Reading through, though, I'm not so much a fan in general.
~J
Whoever wrote it was lazy, though. They didn't alter the timestamp on the post.
Reading through, though, I'm not so much a fan in general.
~J
I've always been partial to some of Shapcano's stories.
I hadn't heard of that one. I'll read though it.
They're are some people who post stories to the Shadowrun Livejournal Community as well. Surprisingly a lot of people at the SR LJ haven't heard of DSF.
They're are some people who post stories to the Shadowrun Livejournal Community as well. Surprisingly a lot of people at the SR LJ haven't heard of DSF.
For more Shadowrun-related fiction, you can always try the Shadowrun Writers' Forum.
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| I've always been partial to some of Shapcano's stories. |
I didn't go through the link but is his stuff the set that includes the Phys Ad assasin? The one that worked for a super secret organized crime syndicate of killers run by a dragon? And looked like Ryan Mercury (so much so that on a trip to the DIMR he mistaken for Ryan by none other than Jane In The Box)?
If so, I liked the style and am envious of his talent but didn't like the character. If I'm mistaken, I meant no offense to either party and like I said, I did like mechanics--for lack of a better term--of the writting.
Yep, the 'Lost Boys' stories with Owen Glendower are Shapcano's, but they don't cover the entirety of his writing. He also hosts a ton of other Shadowrun fiction on his site.
Yeah, that's the dude's name. I read part of another story that started on the roof a building in the barrens, I think. Never got to finish it (stupid boss actually expecting me to work...) but it had a good start.
Personally, my fav fiction is at www.magespace.net.
Back (somewhat) on the subject.
Um, Mercury is a Drake Physad trained by one of the most powerfull beings in existance. If it was a PC, no way in hell would I let that happen. As an NPC? I think the point about Harlequin was correct. No one ever says he is munchkined, but he has a lot of similar traits to Mercury. Although, I think I would describe Harlequin as an anti-hero. Nice mix of cyberpunk fantasy. Hmm, maybe just a reluctant hero.
As far as D's death, I think it serves as a lesson of what a true hero is. Sacrificing one's self for the rest of the world. I will admit the soul trapped in a cyberzombie thing is silly, but I liked the overall idea.
Back (somewhat) on the subject.
Um, Mercury is a Drake Physad trained by one of the most powerfull beings in existance. If it was a PC, no way in hell would I let that happen. As an NPC? I think the point about Harlequin was correct. No one ever says he is munchkined, but he has a lot of similar traits to Mercury. Although, I think I would describe Harlequin as an anti-hero. Nice mix of cyberpunk fantasy.
Hmm, maybe just a reluctant hero. As far as D's death, I think it serves as a lesson of what a true hero is. Sacrificing one's self for the rest of the world. I will admit the soul trapped in a cyberzombie thing is silly, but I liked the overall idea.
So basically, Dunkelzahn assassinated himself, so that he could better fight demons from another dimension? hmmmmm.....
The prospect of a group/individual with the power and motivation to assassinate him seemed like such a cool prospect though!
The prospect of a group/individual with the power and motivation to assassinate him seemed like such a cool prospect though!
I'd just like to point out that The Punisher is considered a hero in comic books, yet no one would really classify him as such by his actions.
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