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Full Version: Rules to Run By
| QUOTE (Jrayjoker) |
| OTOH, if you think you are worth more (even if you aren't) you can sometimes get more... |
I KNOW I AM WORTH MORE 
the only problem no else thinks so
Then you really need those tailored pheromones and negotiation skills. 
| QUOTE (Jrayjoker) |
| Then you really need those tailored pheromones and negotiation skills. |
.... but what if I am already using them?
You are f-ed.
If you are a spell caster , shape earth and water spells at level 6 or greater.
burrow and tunnelling can save your hoop as well as give you a distinct edge.
burrow and tunnelling can save your hoop as well as give you a distinct edge.
| QUOTE (Jrayjoker) |
| You are f-ed. |
I know
#1 Plan, plan, plan
Make a Plan A. make a Plan B for when Plan A gets shot to drek. It will. Make a Plan C, for plan B, because it usually becomes plan A (you follow?)
#2 Always geek the mage first
Mages aremuch more flexible, and often have abilities that can be countered by another mage or good aim. Remember,wise man once said, no matter how good the mage, a knife in the back will put a serious cramp in his style.
#3 Never Deal with a Dragon
it's rule #3 because it shouldn't come up that often. If it does, it becomes rule #1. 'Nuff said.
#4 Shoot straight, conserve ammo
If you shoot and miss, you may have well just not shot at all. If you run out of ammo and 'they' don't, you're hosed.
#5 Avoid a body count
To corps, shadowruns are a cost of doing business.If a sec gaurd gets cacked - 1)that's murder 2) They have to replace him. 3) he probably has life insurance. It all comes down to the bottom line with them.
#6 Be professional
Also ties in to #5. Don't cut loose and damgae anything you don't have to.This applies especially when meeting a Johnson. Act like a professional, and they'll treat you like one. Act like a street punk that just got his first pair of spurs, and they'll treat you like a loose end.
#7 know when to walk away (or run)
A good runner knows when to cut their losses. before your hoop is alreayd in the frying pan, and you've already taken Mr. Johnsons's cred.
#8 Do your legwork!
Ties into rule#1 . Find out everything you can about everyone involved, discreetly. In this age, information is power (if applied properly)The more you know about everything involved in the run (including mr. Johnson) the better. Conversel, the walls have ears. Ask to many questions to the wrong people, and you could end up in a trap, or as a lose end.
#9 ALWAYS have a way out
Far too often, runners have a plan to get in. And when it goes to drek (which it often does), their exit plan includes a few kilos worth of flying lead or CIV (see rules #1+6).Most runs fall apart on the way out. Plan it before hand, and you won't have to spend your hard earned nuyen on a safe house for he next two months.
#10 Use your own equipment.
If at all possible, use only your own equipment so that you know exactly what it is, and how to use it. If possible, build it your self. If the Johnson provides your equipment, inspect it thoroughly.
This is especially important on an extraction of personnel or equipment. Bring extra clothes (or case).Murphy's Law says that if you dont switch it all out, it WILL be bugged. Buyer beware.
Make a Plan A. make a Plan B for when Plan A gets shot to drek. It will. Make a Plan C, for plan B, because it usually becomes plan A (you follow?)
#2 Always geek the mage first
Mages aremuch more flexible, and often have abilities that can be countered by another mage or good aim. Remember,wise man once said, no matter how good the mage, a knife in the back will put a serious cramp in his style.
#3 Never Deal with a Dragon
it's rule #3 because it shouldn't come up that often. If it does, it becomes rule #1. 'Nuff said.
#4 Shoot straight, conserve ammo
If you shoot and miss, you may have well just not shot at all. If you run out of ammo and 'they' don't, you're hosed.
#5 Avoid a body count
To corps, shadowruns are a cost of doing business.If a sec gaurd gets cacked - 1)that's murder 2) They have to replace him. 3) he probably has life insurance. It all comes down to the bottom line with them.
#6 Be professional
Also ties in to #5. Don't cut loose and damgae anything you don't have to.This applies especially when meeting a Johnson. Act like a professional, and they'll treat you like one. Act like a street punk that just got his first pair of spurs, and they'll treat you like a loose end.
#7 know when to walk away (or run)
A good runner knows when to cut their losses. before your hoop is alreayd in the frying pan, and you've already taken Mr. Johnsons's cred.
#8 Do your legwork!
Ties into rule#1 . Find out everything you can about everyone involved, discreetly. In this age, information is power (if applied properly)The more you know about everything involved in the run (including mr. Johnson) the better. Conversel, the walls have ears. Ask to many questions to the wrong people, and you could end up in a trap, or as a lose end.
#9 ALWAYS have a way out
Far too often, runners have a plan to get in. And when it goes to drek (which it often does), their exit plan includes a few kilos worth of flying lead or CIV (see rules #1+6).Most runs fall apart on the way out. Plan it before hand, and you won't have to spend your hard earned nuyen on a safe house for he next two months.
#10 Use your own equipment.
If at all possible, use only your own equipment so that you know exactly what it is, and how to use it. If possible, build it your self. If the Johnson provides your equipment, inspect it thoroughly.
This is especially important on an extraction of personnel or equipment. Bring extra clothes (or case).Murphy's Law says that if you dont switch it all out, it WILL be bugged. Buyer beware.
| QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) |
| #8 Do your legwork! Ties into rule#1 . Find out everything you can about everyone involved, discreetly. In this age, information is power (if applied properly)The more you know about everything involved in the run (including mr. Johnson) the better. |
I agre with this one 100%. Unfortunately my players never seem to want to do legwork. Either that or they do it for afew things but then don't follow up on the leads their first bit of legwork uncovered.
I'm about to strt running some things where a lack of legwork can get you killed really easily. Hopefully they'll start beinga bit more diligent about it.
If any of my players are here, that's a hint.
My players believe legwork is torturing someone till they tell them what they want to hear. If that doesn't work, they just kill everyone.
| QUOTE (U_Fester) |
| My players believe legwork is torturing someone till they tell them what they want to hear. If that doesn't work, they just kill everyone. |
so they do "legwork" mafia style-- with a bat...
| QUOTE (vapor) | ||
so they do "legwork" mafia style-- with a bat... |
more like swords, knives and stun batons in openings of the body
Way more than 10. :)
General
1) You are expendable assets. Act in a way that makes Fixers and Johnsons think of you as assets, not as expendable.
2) Only idiots work with people who have a reputation for betrayal.
3) There are no written contracts in the world of the Shadows. If you don’t keep your word, the best you can hope for is unemployment.
4) Unconscious people can be made dead if necessary. The reverse is not true.
5) Know what Zone you’re in. Dress, act, and be armed appropriately.
The employer.
1) Your posturing does not impress the Fixer. At least not favorably.
2) If your posturing impresses Mr. Johnson, he’s an amateur. This is a warning sign.
The job.
1) If it involves dragons, immortal elves, bugs, or AIs, this is a warning sign.
2) If it involves a run against Mr. Johnson’s own corp, this is a warning sign.
3) If it involves three or more corps, this is a warning sign.
4) If it’s an out of town job, this is a warning sign.
5) If Mr. Johnson is offering a lot more than the job is worth, this is a warning sign.
6) If Mr. Johnson insists on providing some or all of your gear, this is a warning sign.
7) If Mr. Johnson insists on you using a safehouse he has set up, this is a warning sign.
8) If Mr. Johnson insists on you using a plan he has created, this is a warning sign.
9) If Mr. Johnson insists on picking the meet point after the run, this is a warning sign.
10) If Mr. Johnson asks you to provide any information about yourself, this is a warning sign.
11) If Mr. Johnson makes any attempt to have you followed after the meet, this is a warning sign.
12) If the Run could have been done legally, this is a warning sign.
13) If Mr. Johnson wants a rush job, where you don't have time to do legwork, this is a warning sign.
If there are any warning signs insist on more money and/or a higher percentage up front. If there are two or more warning signs I recommend walking.
The team.
1) Anyone who is trying to get you killed is the enemy, no matter which side they’re on.
2) If another Runner is the only survivor of a previous team, he’s probably the enemy.
3) If a Runner suggests screwing over Fixers, Johnsons, Contacts, or other Runners, he’s the enemy unless they screwed him over first.
4) If another Runner tries to record pictures and/or voices of you, the other Runners, your Fixer, or your Contacts he’s the enemy.
5) Runners who will do anything for money are the enemy.
6) Runners who insist on doing tasks they are unskilled at are the enemy.
7) Everybody on the runner team needs to be skilled at stealth, with the possible exceptions of the rigger and the decker.
Legwork
1) Contacts are people, not vending machines. There are limits to the risks they take and the amount they know.
2) You can’t get the right answers if you ask the wrong person.
3) Anyone who can’t carry their share of the load on the legwork better be willing and able to carry more than their share in combat
4) Trying to discover more about why you were hired is good. Trying to find where Mr. Johnson lives will probably get you dead if he finds out.
5) There will almost always be something that Mr. Johnson didn’t tell you. That doesn’t mean he’s trying to screw you over. He doesn’t know everything and it’s not Mr. Johnson’s fault if you didn’t ask him any questions.
6) Some information you discover should be discussed with your Fixer before the run, some after the run, and some not at all. This may be time to renegotiate, ask for more equipment or allies, or pull out of the run.
7) Random torture is not legwork.
8) Expect to die a lot more often if you won’t do legwork.
The opposition
1) Most of them are just poor slags who want to go home. Give them as many reasons as you can to surrender or run away.
2) Harming or killing people who surrender is a great way to ensure even secretaries or janitors will fight to the death.
3) Even if you’re tougher than anyone else, that doesn’t mean you’re tougher than everyone else.
4) Eyewitnesses will be lucky to get your gender and metahumanity right even if they got a good look at you. You should be worried about the cameras.
5) Use cover. Always.
6) The katana may have better reach and damage, but unarmed combat can’t be detected until you use it. It also won’t end up with you coated in blood and gore, which makes for more subtle exits.
7) A fair fight is any one that you win.
The Run
1) Remember the Shadow in Shadowrun. Be as anonymous and unnoticed as possible.
2) Remember the Run in Shadowrun. Failing may hurt your reputation, but failing and dying sure won’t help it.
3) The more damage you inflict on a run, the longer and harder the Corp will look for you. Don’t commit a bigger crime than you were paid for.
4) If you can’t complete the run, inform your Fixer. He’ll be a lot less unhappy if you give him the chance to salvage things.
5) Smart looting ups your income. Dumb looting ups your chances of dying.
6) Leave as soon as you can.
The aftermath
1) Make sure you’re not being followed before you go home.
2) Distinctive equipment, bloodstained clothing, and guns that were fired should be destroyed.
3) If you’re easy to recognize (Albinos; Surged; Metavarients; Greenskinned Elves with horns, fangs and a tail, etc.) find the deepest hole you can and stay there until things blow over
4) If you’re not easy to recognize go back to your daily routine, otherwise the wrong people will suspect you pulled that Run.
General
1) You are expendable assets. Act in a way that makes Fixers and Johnsons think of you as assets, not as expendable.
2) Only idiots work with people who have a reputation for betrayal.
3) There are no written contracts in the world of the Shadows. If you don’t keep your word, the best you can hope for is unemployment.
4) Unconscious people can be made dead if necessary. The reverse is not true.
5) Know what Zone you’re in. Dress, act, and be armed appropriately.
The employer.
1) Your posturing does not impress the Fixer. At least not favorably.
2) If your posturing impresses Mr. Johnson, he’s an amateur. This is a warning sign.
The job.
1) If it involves dragons, immortal elves, bugs, or AIs, this is a warning sign.
2) If it involves a run against Mr. Johnson’s own corp, this is a warning sign.
3) If it involves three or more corps, this is a warning sign.
4) If it’s an out of town job, this is a warning sign.
5) If Mr. Johnson is offering a lot more than the job is worth, this is a warning sign.
6) If Mr. Johnson insists on providing some or all of your gear, this is a warning sign.
7) If Mr. Johnson insists on you using a safehouse he has set up, this is a warning sign.
8) If Mr. Johnson insists on you using a plan he has created, this is a warning sign.
9) If Mr. Johnson insists on picking the meet point after the run, this is a warning sign.
10) If Mr. Johnson asks you to provide any information about yourself, this is a warning sign.
11) If Mr. Johnson makes any attempt to have you followed after the meet, this is a warning sign.
12) If the Run could have been done legally, this is a warning sign.
13) If Mr. Johnson wants a rush job, where you don't have time to do legwork, this is a warning sign.
If there are any warning signs insist on more money and/or a higher percentage up front. If there are two or more warning signs I recommend walking.
The team.
1) Anyone who is trying to get you killed is the enemy, no matter which side they’re on.
2) If another Runner is the only survivor of a previous team, he’s probably the enemy.
3) If a Runner suggests screwing over Fixers, Johnsons, Contacts, or other Runners, he’s the enemy unless they screwed him over first.
4) If another Runner tries to record pictures and/or voices of you, the other Runners, your Fixer, or your Contacts he’s the enemy.
5) Runners who will do anything for money are the enemy.
6) Runners who insist on doing tasks they are unskilled at are the enemy.
7) Everybody on the runner team needs to be skilled at stealth, with the possible exceptions of the rigger and the decker.
Legwork
1) Contacts are people, not vending machines. There are limits to the risks they take and the amount they know.
2) You can’t get the right answers if you ask the wrong person.
3) Anyone who can’t carry their share of the load on the legwork better be willing and able to carry more than their share in combat
4) Trying to discover more about why you were hired is good. Trying to find where Mr. Johnson lives will probably get you dead if he finds out.
5) There will almost always be something that Mr. Johnson didn’t tell you. That doesn’t mean he’s trying to screw you over. He doesn’t know everything and it’s not Mr. Johnson’s fault if you didn’t ask him any questions.
6) Some information you discover should be discussed with your Fixer before the run, some after the run, and some not at all. This may be time to renegotiate, ask for more equipment or allies, or pull out of the run.
7) Random torture is not legwork.
8) Expect to die a lot more often if you won’t do legwork.
The opposition
1) Most of them are just poor slags who want to go home. Give them as many reasons as you can to surrender or run away.
2) Harming or killing people who surrender is a great way to ensure even secretaries or janitors will fight to the death.
3) Even if you’re tougher than anyone else, that doesn’t mean you’re tougher than everyone else.
4) Eyewitnesses will be lucky to get your gender and metahumanity right even if they got a good look at you. You should be worried about the cameras.
5) Use cover. Always.
6) The katana may have better reach and damage, but unarmed combat can’t be detected until you use it. It also won’t end up with you coated in blood and gore, which makes for more subtle exits.
7) A fair fight is any one that you win.
The Run
1) Remember the Shadow in Shadowrun. Be as anonymous and unnoticed as possible.
2) Remember the Run in Shadowrun. Failing may hurt your reputation, but failing and dying sure won’t help it.
3) The more damage you inflict on a run, the longer and harder the Corp will look for you. Don’t commit a bigger crime than you were paid for.
4) If you can’t complete the run, inform your Fixer. He’ll be a lot less unhappy if you give him the chance to salvage things.
5) Smart looting ups your income. Dumb looting ups your chances of dying.
6) Leave as soon as you can.
The aftermath
1) Make sure you’re not being followed before you go home.
2) Distinctive equipment, bloodstained clothing, and guns that were fired should be destroyed.
3) If you’re easy to recognize (Albinos; Surged; Metavarients; Greenskinned Elves with horns, fangs and a tail, etc.) find the deepest hole you can and stay there until things blow over
4) If you’re not easy to recognize go back to your daily routine, otherwise the wrong people will suspect you pulled that Run.
Bravo, Ed. Just bravo! 
I'd definitely like to question the assertion that unarmed combat won't get you covered in various fluids that are clearly the result of violent struggle.
~J
~J
What rounds to use and why.
If it's not posing an immediate threat, DMSO/Knockout Gel Round. Pop'em, Drop'em and continue
If it's posing an immediate threat, Lead...
If that doesn't drop them, they may be wearing some good armor, Armor Piercing, Steel, or Flechette
if that doesn't drop them, they may be wearing SOTA armor, Blueberry/Depleted Uranium, or Sabot
if that doesn't drop them it may be a Vampire, White Phozzy
if that doesn't drop them it may be a Shapeshifter, Silver/Garlic round
if that doesn't drop them, it may not be from this plane of existence, ie angelic or demonic, Iron Rounds
if that dosn't drop them it may be a Free Spirit, Deity, Demigod, or Conjured Spirit, Wax round with holy symbol of Choice, Pray hard while squeezing that trigger.
if that doesn't drop them... RUN LIKE HELL
If it's not posing an immediate threat, DMSO/Knockout Gel Round. Pop'em, Drop'em and continue
If it's posing an immediate threat, Lead...
If that doesn't drop them, they may be wearing some good armor, Armor Piercing, Steel, or Flechette
if that doesn't drop them, they may be wearing SOTA armor, Blueberry/Depleted Uranium, or Sabot
if that doesn't drop them it may be a Vampire, White Phozzy
if that doesn't drop them it may be a Shapeshifter, Silver/Garlic round
if that doesn't drop them, it may not be from this plane of existence, ie angelic or demonic, Iron Rounds
if that dosn't drop them it may be a Free Spirit, Deity, Demigod, or Conjured Spirit, Wax round with holy symbol of Choice, Pray hard while squeezing that trigger.
if that doesn't drop them... RUN LIKE HELL
Iron rounds? A) Are you sure that would work on beings from the Judeo-Christian mythos? 2) Anyone with some firearms knowledge wanna tell me if Iron rounds would even be possible? How about cold iron for the fae?
It's the garlic rounds that have me a bit puzzled.
I mean, iron could certainly stand up to being fired out of a gun better than lead - though the rifling might not like it very much...
But it would be a bit hard to, well, harden a clove of garlic enough to fire it as a bullet. And why it would do anything to a shapechanger (as opposed to say, a Vampire...) I cannot imagine...
I mean, iron could certainly stand up to being fired out of a gun better than lead - though the rifling might not like it very much...
But it would be a bit hard to, well, harden a clove of garlic enough to fire it as a bullet. And why it would do anything to a shapechanger (as opposed to say, a Vampire...) I cannot imagine...
Well, the garlic would let you know they were coming.
Did someone order Pesto?
Did someone order Pesto?
[bad mafioso accent]'You mess with la famiglia, you'll be just another stinkin' corpse'[/bad mafioso accent]
I've read somewhere that garlic acts as a natural antibiotic, maybe thats why vampires hate it. Afterall, they are infected.
Or it's just a myth made up by people who thought somebody that hated garlic was a vampire...
Or there really are vampires, but they spread the myth about garlic so no one would suspect them if they ate it...
Where dose this never deal with a dragon dreck come from, they are honourable and good, our rightful masters.
More seriously I believe I am paraphrasing something but I forget the reference. ‘when the wizwyrm wraps you into his schemes are you going to look him in the eye and say ”no”. ‘
A better rule would be “never annoy a dragon” and to that end “avoid the notice of dragons (or anything else that powerfull)”
Edward
More seriously I believe I am paraphrasing something but I forget the reference. ‘when the wizwyrm wraps you into his schemes are you going to look him in the eye and say ”no”. ‘
A better rule would be “never annoy a dragon” and to that end “avoid the notice of dragons (or anything else that powerfull)”
Edward
Truthfully, it should read "never make a deal with a dragon." They're quite stubborn and can wait decades for plans to come to fruition. I don't think they'll haggle with some "lesser species" when it comes to their thought-out plans.
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| I'd definitely like to question the assertion that unarmed combat won't get you covered in various fluids that are clearly the result of violent struggle. |
It's not that you can't get blood on you from using unarmed combat. Hits to the head, particularly the face can be bloody. Even torso hits can cause them to cough up blood. Some of this blood could get on the attacker. OTOH, winning boxers don't routinely end the fight covered in their opponent's blood.
A far bigger concern is that an extended fight will leave you covered in sweat, which may be hard to explain. Though not as hard to explain as being covered in blood.
Every hit from a sword will draw blood, sometimes in great quantities. It's particularly bad for hits on major arteries, which can actually spray blood. Blood will fly off your blade on backswings and drip from it otherwise. Blood on the ceiling can drip on you. You can step in blood on the floor. You'll almost certainly have to kneel in it if you search the victim.
Using unarmed combat could get some blood on you. Using a sword will typically get lots of blood on you, plus possible gore (tiny bits o'victim). That can help with intimidation, it won't help with subtle exits.
Great Breakout Ed
Which is why you attack to knock out, not kill. That usually lessens the amount of blood coming out.
Not to mention using a knife just between the shoulder and the neck to sever a few ateries with little blood coming out of the wound is an even better technique.
Not to mention using a knife just between the shoulder and the neck to sever a few ateries with little blood coming out of the wound is an even better technique.
If you can use a punch dagger to sever an artery and not get a spurt of blood on you then you are truly ninja.
How about a long nail gun? Hit them in the heart with the nail (you know its long enough) And leave the nail in to block the hole in the skin to prevent leakage. Or maybe a hot glue gun?
Or just shoot them frm 10 meters away?
| QUOTE (Jrayjoker) |
| If you can use a punch dagger to sever an artery and not get a spurt of blood on you then you are truly ninja. |
Knife. Not punch dagger (or just katar, because those sound cooler than punch dagger). Enter the body with a downward stab right where the majority of the muscle is. If you know where you're hitting, you can sever an artery or two and let gravity keep all the blood in the body.
Not to mention, if done properly, the motion of pulling out the knife can actually clean the blade on their clothes.
Granted, if done properly, I could just kill somebody with a smack to the chest. But the chances of that happening are slim-to-none.
Generally there's no need to kill someone witha smack to the chest. If you can knock them out that should be plenty. If they really need to be dead, its pretty easy to kill someone you just knocked out, and do it with little to no excess blood.
Indeed. Injections of poisons and such do it just fine. Sure, it's noticable when the doctors do their autopsy, but there's less of a chance that, if everything is done right (always those nasty "ifs"), they won't trace it to anybody (unless you use some specifically tailored thing that is only made at one place -- oops!) that may have given it to you.
Granted, if they have blood filters, you have to disable those somehow, so... If, if, if!
Granted, if they have blood filters, you have to disable those somehow, so... If, if, if!
SuperSquirt II with Gamma-Scopolomine. Small, silent, invisible to MADs, 20 shots, 10D Stun, ignores most armor, and adds an extra +2 T# to the condition monitor.
"Knock 'em out now and kill 'em later if ya haf ta."
"Knock 'em out now and kill 'em later if ya haf ta."
Or you could just have the mage cast Makeover (or Fashion) and get rid of any telltale blood and/or sweat stains.
Hrmm, narcoject pistols loaded with Isopropyl
| QUOTE (Fortune) |
| Or you could just have the mage cast Makeover (or Fashion) and get rid of any telltale blood and/or sweat stains. |
Well, yeah, there's that too...
That's an excellent plan until halfway through your bloody run someone decides to geek the mage.
I assume that these arguments are meant as seriously as I'm taking them, but for the sake of argument:
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| How about a long nail gun? Hit them in the heart with the nail (you know its long enough) And leave the nail in to block the hole in the skin to prevent leakage. |
Leaving the nail, or knife as the case may be, in the wound will help prevent bleeding by blocking the hole. This also means the target won't bleed as much and probably have plenty of time to put a few rounds into YOUR chest. I doubt he'll be near as concerned about getting blood on him.
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| If you know where you're hitting, you can sever an artery or two and let gravity keep all the blood in the body. |
Expecting gravity to keep blood in the body after an artery has been severed is like busting the head off of a sink and expecting gravity to keep all of the water in the pipes.
If it's an artery right next to the skin, sure.
If it's one further inside the body, chances are good it'll stay in.
If it's one further inside the body, chances are good it'll stay in.
Durth, notice how I said you hit them in the heart with the nail.
Quick googling revealed that out of 5 patients brought in a study with knife wounds that peirced the heart, 3 died, 2 on the table, and 1 in post-op. All were brought to the hospital "immidiately" according to the study. I assume that means within 15 minutes. Also, all arived in shock.
Thusly, a stab in the heart will at least incapacitate you, and left untreated, kill you.
Quick googling revealed that out of 5 patients brought in a study with knife wounds that peirced the heart, 3 died, 2 on the table, and 1 in post-op. All were brought to the hospital "immidiately" according to the study. I assume that means within 15 minutes. Also, all arived in shock.
Thusly, a stab in the heart will at least incapacitate you, and left untreated, kill you.
But, a study of 5 is about as accurate as a blind man shooting a target at 150 yards with a severe crosswind and a loudspeaker playing du hast with a .22 pistol. the standard deviation is too great to use as a basis. Next question, how many of those people were wounded by surprise and how many had adrenaline pumping prior to the wound being inflicted?
Not saying a heart stab wouldn't incapacitate immediately, the heart pumps with enough force that I could see it freaking out when punctured, but adrenaline has properties and effects on the body we still don't understand.
Not saying a heart stab wouldn't incapacitate immediately, the heart pumps with enough force that I could see it freaking out when punctured, but adrenaline has properties and effects on the body we still don't understand.
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| It's the garlic rounds that have me a bit puzzled. |
Actually the rounds are German Silver, a Tungsten Silver Alloy that are Soaked in Garlic Juice. A shapeshifter may be immune to a lot of types of damage but they cannot resist damage from Silver, They may attempt to ignore the pain but have you ever poured garlic juice on an open wound. Oh Yeah try and ignore that you overgrown furball.
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| Iron rounds? A) Are you sure that would work on beings from the Judeo-Christian mythos? |
A decision I've made and set in stone on my board. If it comes from any other plane then the Prime Material (Fae, Djinn, Demon, Angel, and other creatures from another "dimension") it will have a Deadly allergy to Iron. Unfortunately I prefer not to try it with the Angels as they have a habit of dodging bullets.
If you as a GM want to use the same rule, go for it. Or pick a different Element if you want.
| QUOTE (Weredigo) | ||||
Actually the rounds are German Silver, a Tungsten Silver Alloy that are Soaked in Garlic Juice. A shapeshifter may be immune to a lot of types of damage but they cannot resist damage from Silver, They may attempt to ignore the pain but have you ever poured garlic juice on an open wound. Oh Yeah try and ignore that you overgrown furball.
A decision I've made and set in stone on my board. If it comes from any other plane then the Prime Material (Fae, Djinn, Demon, Angel, and other creatures from another "dimension") it will have a Deadly allergy to Iron. Unfortunately I prefer not to try it with the Angels as they have a habit of dodging bullets. If you as a GM want to use the same rule, go for it. Or pick a different Element if you want. |
Hmmmm, that is starting to sound a lot like that other game...
Y'see, a spirit that looks like an angel is just how the summoner views the type of spirit he summoned. Doesn't mean it's from the "angel plane" or somesuch other cross-system heresy.
| QUOTE (Weredigo) |
| A decision I've made and set in stone on my board. If it comes from any other plane then the Prime Material (Fae, Djinn, Demon, Angel, and other creatures from another "dimension") it will have a Deadly allergy to Iron. |
Since there is no Prime Material Plane in Shadowrun, or if there is it's somewhere on the metaplanes, I guess that means all of your runners have Severe allergies to Iron? Or did you add another allergy level, too?
~J
| QUOTE (tanka) |
| Y'see, a spirit that looks like an angel is just how the summoner views the type of spirit he summoned. Doesn't mean it's from the "angel plane" or somesuch other cross-system heresy. |
Its only heresy if it makes its way into your game and you don't like it. When in someone else's game its referred to as "local flavor".
Which is why it isn't in my game, nor is it in the games of my RL GMs. If it was, they would be smacked around.
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