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apple
Techwizard sounds good.

SYL
audun
QUOTE (apple)
Techwizard sounds good.

No it doesn't. Not when you already have wizards in the game, and "wiz" is an established SR slang term.
moosegod
OK, so with the new WMI, we don't have decks any more. I don' understand why the SR universe will fall backwards SIXTY YEARS to dig up a new term.

Hell, we still call police cars paddy wagons, and I don't see very many second generation Irish driving them any more.

Decker is an integral component, as is rigger. Even if they use the same game mechanic, they are intrinsically different.
Fortune
Texperts!
apollo124
Since deckers were named after cyberdecks, and riggers were named after vehicle control rigs, what is the new whiz-bang piece of cyber going to be called? If we knew that little bit of data, maybe an obvious name would present itself.
phelious fogg
The new peice of wear is a "hack" nyahnyah.gif
Kanada Ten
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I don' understand why the SR universe will fall backwards SIXTY YEARS to dig up a new term.

Well, technically, those who program things are still called hackers in 2060: as in Hacker House. And that's why I don't want and yet could except hacker as it means "illegal programmer" in Shadowrun and has since VR1.
mfb
moreover, why did the real universe fall back two hundred years to dig up a new term for guys who illegally copy software?
The Grifter
QUOTE
hacker-dacker


I vote for this one!
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (mfb)
moreover, why did the real universe fall back two hundred years to dig up a new term for guys who illegally copy software?

It didn't. Piracy is alive and well in the classical sense.

~J
Fortune
Techsans!
mfb
QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
It didn't. Piracy is alive and well in the classical sense.

you're giving the first-world public credit for knowing that? you're pretty optomistic.
NightHaunter
How about?
Wusses.
Cry Babys.
Skint.
Weedy.
Or any other insult i can think up at the time.

Skint has to be my fav tho.
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psykotisk_overlegen
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Texperts!

Now that's a good substitute, I know that one'll enter my SR slang even if it never enters any books. I like the way it just rolls of the tonuge, and the meaning of the word actually matches what it's supposed to describe (as well as textile experts I guess).
Hell, from now on I'll call every man with computer or electronics a Texpert. nyahnyah.gif
Bleak Knight
I might be wrong, but: Hackers are supposed to be a fusion of Deckers and Riggers, the same way Mages, Shamans and Adepts are all Awakened. Why not add Sammys (Razors, whatever. Anyone with a good load of cyberware) to the Decker/Rigger mix, and just call the lot "Cybers"? Then they can still have their individual names, and also some sort of common descriptor. IMO, there's as much similarity between Adepts and Mages as there is between a sammy and a rigger.
Fortune
Techticians!
BitBasher
QUOTE (Kanada Ten)
QUOTE
I don' understand why the SR universe will fall backwards SIXTY YEARS to dig up a new term.

Well, technically, those who program things are still called hackers in 2060: as in Hacker House. And that's why I don't want and yet could except hacker as it means "illegal programmer" in Shadowrun and has since VR1.

Aside from the antiquated name for the organization, I challenge you to provide a few canon references of hackers being a class of individuals, or the class referring to themsleves as hackers.
Siege
Deckers...Hackers...

Daiquiris! grinbig.gif

-Siege
mfb
in 206x, bitbasher, they don't. hacker isn't cool, in 206x. that doesn't mean that by 207x, hacker hasn't come back into vogue--especially since the name "hacker house" indicates that everyone (or, at least, every decker) knows what a hacker is.
Fortune
Techstylers!
NightHaunter
I still like skint.
Maybe Skints as a collective term.
DrJest
I diffidently note that "Hackers" is a blanket term in the same way "Adepts" is. It's entirely possible that more specific terms will continue to be used in the correct context.
BitBasher
Oh yeah, I forgot to add, my vote is to leave them deckers.

The term decker is part of the inherint atmosphere, and is a word directly related and recognized as SR. It's not exactly a brilliant plan to take words that we do associate with SR and remove them thereby it having less unique recognition.
Fortune
Contechs!
ENHenry
Congratulations - it sounds like this thread has recreated what the Fanpro developers probably went through three months ago. biggrin.gif

"I like this term!"
"Nah - not catchy."
"What about this term"
"Nope - sounds racist."
"This?"
"All right, but kinda dumb."
"That?"
"It really means this."
"How about this?"
"We'll write it down as possible. Next?..."


Jacker sounds promising, though Decker or hacker would fit equally well - as in, not great, but not stupid sounding. Whether it fits perfectly is irrelevant IMO, because the public is never concerned with whether it's apt - only if it's catchy. smile.gif
Garland
Completely tangential: jacker always makes me think of Tribe 8, where the Jackers were one of the post-apocalypic factions.
audun
QUOTE (DrJest)
I diffidently note that "Hackers" is a blanket term in the same way "Adepts" is. It's entirely possible that more specific terms will continue to be used in the correct context.

Possibly, but
QUOTE (SR4 FAQ)
We’re eliminating the clunky old cyberdeck in SR4, and with no ‘deck, it doesn’t make much sense to call them deckers.


On the other hand, I really don't see why they have to eliminate the deck(and VCR). Why not simply have "new and smart" decks and rigs?

Also, I'm no longer sure if I like "hacker" as the general term for the tech/computer guy. I'd like hacker to actually mean something beyond "the tech/computer guy". Script kiddies and getaway drivers aren't exactly hackers, but if they're part of the "tech" archetype they may be considered such in SR.

I'd like to vote against jacker though. It sounds stupid, mostly like another word for wanker.
Kanada Ten
QUOTE (BitBasher)
QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Apr 1 2005, 10:18 AM)
QUOTE
I don' understand why the SR universe will fall backwards SIXTY YEARS to dig up a new term.

Well, technically, those who program things are still called hackers in 2060: as in Hacker House. And that's why I don't want and yet could except hacker as it means "illegal programmer" in Shadowrun and has since VR1.

Aside from the antiquated name for the organization, I challenge you to provide a few canon references of hackers being a class of individuals, or the class referring to themsleves as hackers.

There's a picture of a guy in, IIRC, SR2 fighting the crash virus and getting burned. His shirt, again, IIRC, says "Hack or Die" and that's 2029.

Besides, none of the books really talk about illegal programmers as a class of people.
Juggernaut125
Diggers? (Although I kind of like Slicer as was suggested earlier.)
psykotisk_overlegen
Slicer is taken though, I'd imagine there'd be trouble if SR went around and took names from Starwars.
Young Freud
Since the new Matrix is wireless, why not rip off the Wi-Fi community and call them 'warcallers' and 'wardrivers'? 'Warthinkers' and 'Warwalkers' sounds equally cool.
Swing Kid
QUOTE (Fortune)
Jacker makes me think of someone pleasuring himself while viewing virtual porn.

He's right!

Jacker's it is!
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