I'm fairly conservative but man that's a f@#$% program. Dude I'm reading the rules and it's like they're treating someone with a emotional or an substance abuse problem.


I like the part about "Safekeeping Rules"....We're going to deprive you of the right to speak.... This is a Jungian nightmare.

There is even creepier stuff on the way.
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So, what, about 15 years before there is a "treatment" for being gay? How scary a thought is that? Your over-zealous parents deciding you should be straight so as to not upset their status quo? And instead of an easy to hate institution like those gulags, it's a pill or a shot once a month.

To me, yup. But I am certainly not the only opinion here.

And frankly if someone hated themselves so much that they checked themselves into this kind of program (when they have achieved their legal majority of course) who am I to stop them? I pity them for their upbringing though.

That's scarey agreed but Humans are thankfully more complex than fruit flies.

Although there's been research that some very masculine women in prison sometimes have a chromosomal makeup of XXY.

I think future "therepy" will include mind altering drugs, violent movies, and lots of screaming......(A Clock Work Orange)
....Someone with the aversion therepy gets hit on by a guy..."Hey Sailor hows it lookin?....."Ack Ackkkkk errrrkkk")

I could see some kind of weird treatment like that in the Lawnmower man and cheasy VR. Although with less monkeys.

Also check out Man Hole (Homeless Shelter) Stops Serving Bear Meat

I doubt that the gene alteraton changed the fly's sexual orientation as much as its gender identity.

If that were the case it wouldn't be a homosexual female fly it would be a heterosexual Female-to-Male transexual fly.

If it were strictly homosexual it would enguage in female courtship rituals with female flys insted of using male courtship rituals.

I think most concerned homophobic parents would prefer a gay kid to a transexual kid. Although, with the proper bioware it really wouldn't be so bad. They probably have the ware to perfectly change someone's physical gender without any long term complications

I don't believe homosexuality is right, but I also believe that in this country, people can do what they want for the most part.

However, I'd prefer it if people didn't start naming names and such, as those on the other side can just as easily name supposed bigots/homophobes/America haters/Christian haters.


And, I don't think it's been legal to send people to the military instead of jail since the draft ended. The services don't want someone who doesn't want to be there, and know what they are getting into.

The people who are bitching now and deserting all knew that they could be sent to war, it's part of the oath they took at the very beginning. Boo hoo they didn't just get free college money.

These gay camps to me, are just as bad as teaching 13 year old girls how to put condoms onto bananas, and then handing them out to anyone who asks for them. Or letting minors get abortions without parental consent, or knowledge.

Things can be screwed up on both ends, and often are.


I think a better idea for SR though, would be like a camp where they teach people to not be elf posers or something like that.

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~J

Hmmmm.

Politics are everywhere in SR, I like taking a particular issue and "twisting" it a bit for a SR focus. In the mega-media world of SR politics is going to be more fragmented and controversial as ever. Don't be affraid of politcs because Politicians have very very deep pockets.

I got no problem with that. The post I originally quoted was specifically about something supposedly going on right now, with no SR context.

Heh. To bastardize Mao and Bismarck (am I talking about the right people?) "You might not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you." I am interested, I'm just not interested here on Dumpshock.

Anyway, to a certain extent, the politics of SR are that of the '80's. Though perhaps the SR government policy on corporations is that of the day after tomorrow. Who knows? But speculation of that kind with reference to the real world isn't helpful because SR has already answered what happens. Let's talk about SR.

Edit: to better present how I feel.

You could definately make a really good adventure out of this in numerous ways. The key problem is finding creative ways to make it something of a challenge to the players.

One obvious way is to just make the place very secure due to great wealth, or good connections. The camp could have modest resources, but be inside some corp zero zone because some high executive is a member of the religion, or just next to a couple of embassies.

You could also do something more subtle... maybe it isn't obvious who in the camp is the person you want to grab, or the players don't know where the camp is initially. It could be is a de-magicking camp, or one that purports to be able to make children magical and has lots of that sort of power. Perhaps it is a shell for something like the universal brotherhood, or a corporate research program. The child might already be converted, and the person that put them in the camp very powerful.

I did a vaguely similar run one time where some persons kid was turning into a dryad. They ended up successfully completing it by finding the child and taking the parents to visit instead of the other way around.

The story about "bug chasers" is a scarey one....That's a scarey change in events. I remember growing up and it was a death sentence. Now it's an excuse to be a burden on the medical establishment. I wonder though if insurance would cover those kinds of expenses? I dunno? I hear the costs on the drugs are very expensive....As far as 6th world deseases go? I dunno? It would seem that getting AIDS to those folks is sort of a "politically correct" disease to have. You've got Aids so now you can add to the national Aids Quilt. This use to be a death sentence now it's something new? I heard that there are some strains of AIDS that are drug resistant.

I can't remember what the vampire disease is called? HMHVV For goths and folks with a propensitiy towards self hate and societal hate that could be a very sought after disease for individuals with cronic diseases ect. I'm sure the corps would love to get they're hands on Vampire blood for analysis. I think the Terminus experiement was about the creation of super vampires.

The Kreiger Strain would be a less "popular" disease. I guess it would depend on the individuals out there. I'm sure there some folks who would seek it out as well. Maybe some branch of the Urban Primatives that partake in Canibalism, maybe a doomsday cult of some wacky kind. Hell I could see certain serial killers seeking out the Krieger strain in order to become a more "efficient preditor". Just imagine if a high level adept got infected they could become killing machines. (To make them more butch I like useing Orks & Trolls as Ghouls and give them an extra 1d6 for init. to make them faster than some of the characters.)

I'm glad Kage brought up the "bug" chaser article that has some facinating repricusions in the 6th world...

Anyway, whatever version is current.

Incidently, it appears that HIV was created by a drug company that used SIV infected chimps to create a Hepititis B vaccine.

http://www.originofaids.com/

It was probably unintentional, but you don't have to be an actuary to see the long-term profit potential of the disease. That's something to think about when planning runs involving vaccine manufacturers.

No, because 'bug chasing', if it was an actual problem, would probably fall under an already existing condition.

First link I found on a googling: http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

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Some other rather controversial theories have contended that HIV was transferred iatrogenically (i.e. via medical experiments). One particularly well-publicised idea is that polio vaccines played a role in the transfer.

In his book, The River, the journalist Edward Hooper suggested that HIV could be traced to the testing of an oral polio vaccine called Chat, given to about a million people in the Belgian Congo , Ruanda and Urundi in the late 1950s. To be reproduced, live polio vaccine needs to be cultivated in living tissue, and Hooper's belief is that Chat was grown in kidney cells taken from local chimps infected with SIVcmz. This, he claims, would have resulted in the contamination of the vaccine with chimp SIV, and a large number of people subsequently becoming infected with HIV-1.

However, in February 2000 the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia (one of the original places that developed the Chat vaccine) announced that it had discovered in its stores a phial of polio vaccine that had been used as part of the program. The vaccine was subsequently analysed and in April 2001 it was announced4 that no trace had been found of either HIV or chimpanzee SIV. A second analysis5 confirmed that only macaque monkey kidney cells, which cannot be infected with SIV or HIV, were used to make Chat. While this is just one phial of many, most have taken its existence to mean that the OPV vaccine theory is not possible.

The fact that the OPV theory accounts for just one (group M) of several different groups of HIV also suggests that transferral must have happened in other ways too.

The final element that suggests that the OPV theory is not credible as the soul method of transmission is the argument that HIV existed in humans before the vaccine trials were ever carried out. More about when HIV came into being can be found below.

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edit: plenty more goodies on the CDC site. Scroll down.


So, yeah. NOT SCIENCE>WRONG>STOP PRESENTING THIS DATA! Kthxbye!1

Maybe like Jerry Falwell crossed with that guy from the first episode of Full Mettal Alchemist.

He could gain the loyality of his followers by bringing their deceased loved ones back to life, something no other magical practitioner can do. Shedim are good for something, after all.

Variation on a theme. What about a "de-magicking camp"? Where youngsters who's communities don't accept mages/shamans are sent to repress their magical tendencies. The group leader is a full hermetic mage who some how had magic ruin his life. And the rest of the camp are composed of koolaid drinking mundanes, and former spellcasters/conjurors who are now brainwashed into living mana free. They'd be capable of banishing, and spell defence. And the norms could have any sort of cyber or firearms.

Runners are sent in by a an old shaman to retrieve his grandson, whom his parents sent away for re education.

Mage hoods, and vicious dual present paracritters galore.

Considering just how many drugs are implied to affect magic adversely, it would have to be a highly time-sensitive run -- and it's rather unlikely that any of the ex-Awakened would have high Magic ratings. After all, you could always get rid of that pesky last point of Magic just by installing a datajack, a useful tool for any kid.

jray, my apologies to you as well, I posted as you did, hate that. I just don't like it when Christians assume moral high ground, or "no comment" but I may have mis understood. it happens. I think this is why I should stay out of these debates

Mr. ludwig was a nut who poped a couple of full auto shots at some trespassing teens, and when the cops showd up he started spouting all manner of odd crap. I was thinking of the rumors of a "compound" that were circulating a while ago.

That de-magicing camp is a good idea. I also imagine more than a few of the kids are there against their will...


That sounds like a worthy run to me. Not to mention that people who's lives you've saved from destruction (physical or mental,) are excelent contact material.

!= only reward.

Did Gaf hear the word "Demagicking"?

He/she/it would be all over that in the manner of white on rice.

I wonder if I could guilt my runners into trying to save the other miserable kids (I doubt any are there willingly).

Or perhaps I could have the runners notice, so some of the more violent inmates start a rebellion, and they end up getting massacred and the Runners have to have it on their conscience that they let a bunch of kids die, or that they themselves killed some in a crossfire.

Not that my blackhearted runners would mind that one bit, they tend to be a bunch of brigands; but the oppurtunity to design a emotional run is there.

Many of my characters would do such a run for free, including executing the guards ("following orders" isn't an excuse) and, more importantly, the management.

I've actually chatted with one self-admitted "bug chaser" online. He luckily didn't succeed and, later, saw the error of his ways. It was apparently a way of trying to make himself both pitied and 'special' in others eyes.

However, even he admitted he was (quote) "a freak among freaks" and that he had only met one or two other chasers in his life. I'd say it's something that happens, but no more frequently than people who try other exotic ways of harming themselves for attention.

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That's how cheap frauds would do it.

Expensive frauds would overcharge their parents for enough cyberware to drop their essense below 1.

I can just imagine the ads:

Sincere guy with big hair: "We can help you with your misguided child."
Sincere Tami Faye Baker Clone: <<tearing up, makeup running>> "And you'll have a perfect little cyberzombie after we are through, just thirty-nine ninety-nine ninety-five (thousand nuyen)."

If the group of genes that express Magic were ever found it would follow that you could possibly manipulate them causing one's magic abilities to drop or go way completely. In theory it's easy to break something if you know where to look? Such a therepy might drop one's magic by half or more. Although there might be some unexpected "side effects" as a result? Maybe Krieger's strain might develop in 1 out of every 1000 patients along with possible surge side effects?