Full Version: Disposing of a Body
For when you absoloutely, positively, muthah-fuggin' CAN'T afford to let any muthah-fuggah know what the hell you did with the fragger, eh?
My old friend Neurotechnofreak reminded me of the simplest, fastest and most effective method. Drop the body in an iron smelter. a quick fooshe later and nothing left to track.
| QUOTE (Emmeric) |
| Personally, my characters either have a ghoul contact for body disposal purposes or they rent out a bunch of different squatter/low residences and bury the bodies under the floorboards with a bunch of lime. Gets rid of them pretty quickly, as long as no one checks for the bones and such later. Although I guess you could always pour a bunch of cement on top of the graves as a deterrent or just hide the bones. I've never had a problem, but I've been really really careful... |
The ghoul contact is a good idea. Even if the ghoul hive is raided by Lone Star, there will be a lot of bones, probably not all of them human, and certainly not all from dead guys you provided. These bones will also all mixed up and probably broken open for the marrow.
In other words, a forensics nightmare. Matching those bones to a known person will be extremely time-consuming and expensive. And unless there are bullet holes in the skull, they can't even prove the dead guy was murdered. Even if they can prove the guy was murdered, how are they going to prove you instead of the ghouls did the killing?
On the other hand, the body under the floorboards is not a good idea, even if the location is in no way tied to any of your IDs. It's time-consuming and the more time you spend around the body, the greater your chances of leaving trace evidence, being discovered, or being spotted around the place. And even if you have woodworking skills, taking up floorboards and putting them back can both be noisy. Also, even with lime, you can't guarantee that you'll elimante the smell problem. If you must use this method, never go back to the location again. Ever.
How well would a Fire elemental work in destroying a body?
How bout this. You decide you want a ghoul contact for future body removal, so you go ice some nobodies (or buy some from someone who has their own body removal issues) and arrange to feed them to your ghoulish new friends.
My question though, how do you know which ghouls to talk to? Just call your fixer? And do you have to give them a body ever so often to keep the contact up?
My question though, how do you know which ghouls to talk to? Just call your fixer? And do you have to give them a body ever so often to keep the contact up?
Ones of your drinking buddies (or whatever) comes to you and says, "Dude, I brought you a roast turkey. It's free; all you have to do is have it all eaten by next Wednesday. Invite all your friends, just don' tell them the turkey is from me." How many free turkeys does he have to give you for you to still want to drink with him (or whatever it is you do together).
If you use Sulphuric Acid a la 'Acid Bath' Hague, you have to use the whole body. The dissolution of the body flesh (brown adipose tissue) produces a lot of heat which enables the bones to be dissolved.
My wife (also a Shadowrun player), suggests draining the blood over a compost heap as you dismember (so the bacteria will consume it and after a few days no metahuman DNA will be left); then burning the body, having a hog-roast at the same time to disguise the smell, on an outside fire. After the fire is out, dig out the ash, crushing any larger pieces of bone where necessary, and add them to the compost heap. A layer of compost stimulator and grass clippings and three weeks later, DNA, what DNA! Everything is heavily disguised as worm turds. If your worms are liquidized by the Star before three weeks there is a small chance the DNA could be detected. The bonus is you get great roses! If you put bone meal directly on roses it can make them overgrow.
Now finding a compost heap in the Barrens is the difficult bit!
Oh yes, make the hog-roast a charity event and invite your local Star representatives.
As my wife thought up all this, damn glad I haven't got life insurance!
My wife (also a Shadowrun player), suggests draining the blood over a compost heap as you dismember (so the bacteria will consume it and after a few days no metahuman DNA will be left); then burning the body, having a hog-roast at the same time to disguise the smell, on an outside fire. After the fire is out, dig out the ash, crushing any larger pieces of bone where necessary, and add them to the compost heap. A layer of compost stimulator and grass clippings and three weeks later, DNA, what DNA! Everything is heavily disguised as worm turds. If your worms are liquidized by the Star before three weeks there is a small chance the DNA could be detected. The bonus is you get great roses! If you put bone meal directly on roses it can make them overgrow.
Now finding a compost heap in the Barrens is the difficult bit!
Oh yes, make the hog-roast a charity event and invite your local Star representatives.
As my wife thought up all this, damn glad I haven't got life insurance!
| QUOTE (SirBedevere) |
| If you use Sulphuric Acid a la 'Acid Bath' Hague, you have to use the whole body. The dissolution of the body flesh (brown adipose tissue) produces a lot of heat which enables the bones to be dissolved. |
Haigh is the perfect example that:
1) Total destruction of a body isn’t always total.
2) Being a known associate of a missing person is still suspicious to police.
3) There’s a lot more evidence besides the body that can lead the police to the criminal.
4) Elaborate schemes to totally destroy the body give the police more evidence to work with if you are caught.
Your wife’s suggestion could totally destroy a body, but it has several potential problems.
1) Exsanguinating and dismembering a corpse is a lengthy process.
2) She’s probably not very skilled at it, either.
3) She, her clothing, and her tools could end up coated in blood and gore all of which will need to be fully cleaned.
4) The neighbors are likely to notice and react to someone exsanguinating and dismembering a body over a compost heap.
5) Unless the remains are left scattered atop the compost heap (which has its complications), they will need to be concealed somewhere until the pig roast.
6) The rotting remains will still be detectable by smell until the pig roast.
7) Whatever the remains are stored in will have to be thoroughly cleaned or destroyed.
8) Since you cannot run the pig roast and burn the body at the same time, you will need a confederate to do one of the two.
9) Someone may notice the second fire.
10) The fire will probably not completely consume the body.
11) Digging out the ash is a time-consuming and suspicious action that may well be noticed by the neighbors.
12) There is no guarantee that she will retrieve all pieces of bone.
13) Crushing bone to powder is a time-consuming and difficult process.
14) All clothing and tools used in this process will also need to be thoroughly cleaned.
15) There is a good chance the police note your disappearance and dig up the compost heap before the needed three weeks are over.
Don’t forget you also have to clean up the original murder scene.
If you live in the country, most of your objections become unimportant.
~J
~J
Grind it up and proccess it into communion wafers, and have it served at mass at a local cathedral. That's what I'm going to do when I die.
If this idea has already been mentioned, I apologize in advance for plagiarizing it and/or being repetitive.
How about dissolving the body in an acid bath, especially with something on the order of hydrofluoric acid (although normally used to etch glass [which it can also dissolve], it's one of the few acids capable of dissolving living tissue; about the only materials that it can't affect are Teflon, vulcanized rubber, paraffin, and certain plastics) or aqua regia ? ("Royal Water" in Spanish; it's a mixture of concentrated nitric and sulfuric acids, and is capable of dissolving most metals, including several normally-acid-resistant metals, such as gold, silver, and platinum).
After that, about all that would be necessary would be to dispose of the evidence (which would most likely be a mixture of the aforementioned acids, and a mixture of amino acids and other chemicals normally found in the (meta)human body, as well as the chemical constituents of anything else--clothing, for example--that went into the bath.
I would imagine that the resulting remains could be put into a barrel, and the contents of said barrel dumped at sea. Failing that, flushing (possibly literally
) the remains into a municipal sewer system, or mixing it with the grease and oils from a restaurant (I realize that most foods in the SR universe are soy-based, but real meats ARE still available--it follows that there may be places which dispose of and/or recycle the waste products of such businesses might also still be around) might also work.
--Foreigner
How about dissolving the body in an acid bath, especially with something on the order of hydrofluoric acid (although normally used to etch glass [which it can also dissolve], it's one of the few acids capable of dissolving living tissue; about the only materials that it can't affect are Teflon, vulcanized rubber, paraffin, and certain plastics) or aqua regia ? ("Royal Water" in Spanish; it's a mixture of concentrated nitric and sulfuric acids, and is capable of dissolving most metals, including several normally-acid-resistant metals, such as gold, silver, and platinum).
After that, about all that would be necessary would be to dispose of the evidence (which would most likely be a mixture of the aforementioned acids, and a mixture of amino acids and other chemicals normally found in the (meta)human body, as well as the chemical constituents of anything else--clothing, for example--that went into the bath.
I would imagine that the resulting remains could be put into a barrel, and the contents of said barrel dumped at sea. Failing that, flushing (possibly literally
) the remains into a municipal sewer system, or mixing it with the grease and oils from a restaurant (I realize that most foods in the SR universe are soy-based, but real meats ARE still available--it follows that there may be places which dispose of and/or recycle the waste products of such businesses might also still be around) might also work.--Foreigner
1 Turn it into a zombie, preferable a good looking one.
2 Have it liquidate all of its assets and file for divorce if it was married.
3 Have it buy a plane ticket to a tropical paradise
4 Have your decker plant evidence that it was embezzlingfrom its employer
5 Have it dissapear mysteriously on its way to the airport where the police are waiting to arrest it for embezzlement
2 Have it liquidate all of its assets and file for divorce if it was married.
3 Have it buy a plane ticket to a tropical paradise
4 Have your decker plant evidence that it was embezzlingfrom its employer
5 Have it dissapear mysteriously on its way to the airport where the police are waiting to arrest it for embezzlement
| QUOTE |
| Ones of your drinking buddies (or whatever) comes to you and says, "Dude, I brought you a roast turkey. It's free; all you have to do is have it all eaten by next Wednesday. Invite all your friends, just don' tell them the turkey is from me." How many free turkeys does he have to give you for you to still want to drink with him (or whatever it is you do together). |
Well, supposing the following:
1) I need to eat turkey or I will die;
2) Eating turkey is, in most jurisdictions, illegal;
3) In those that it is not illegal, it is at least very difficult to get turkey, and will get you investigated by the police;
4) The 'regular' cost of turkey is prohibitive, due to a lack of easy supply;
5) My turkey-eatin' friends suffer a similar problem with regards to the neccessity of eating turkey...
Only 1 turkey is required for me to keep drinking with this guy. Though I'd start to ask how it is he has all this turkey...
| QUOTE (Canis) |
| Pinochet was a military dictator in Chile a while back. I've never heard of the plane drop thing but it wouldn't suprise me. |
It was from testimony of a trial of a military officer. They would strip them naked, fly them up to a high altitude, fly out way over the Pacific, and while they were unconcious (i can't remember whether it was from drugging with ether or just as unpressurized cargo bay at high altitude) they'd toss them out the back. There was some name they had for the process, but i don't remember it and don't see the link offhand.
| QUOTE (Adarael) |
| Though I'd start to ask how it is he has all this turkey... |
I don't think a ghoul is going to care where the corpses come from.
yes .... but part of the exercise is to try and dispose of the body without creating a trace or evidence.
So ... now you have a body for some reason ... time to dispose of it ... how do you do so in ways to foil a ritual team and other unwanted attention.
So ... now you have a body for some reason ... time to dispose of it ... how do you do so in ways to foil a ritual team and other unwanted attention.
Think someone already mentioned it but how about the Turn to Goo spell? You could also use the Petrify(?) spell and sell them as art if you dress them in a toga or something before hand. Heck after you petrify them you could smash them and scatter the little rock bits.
someone did mention the turn to goo spell.
The problem is that it is a sustained spell. What would you do with the ectoplasm?
They might be slimer for a while, but it is still not easy to dispose of, and would still be traceable.
The problem is that it is a sustained spell. What would you do with the ectoplasm?
They might be slimer for a while, but it is still not easy to dispose of, and would still be traceable.
Keep in mind also, turn to goo has been turned to goo in SR3.
| QUOTE (Nyxll) |
| someone did mention the turn to goo spell. The problem is that it is a sustained spell. What would you do with the ectoplasm? They might be slimer for a while, but it is still not easy to dispose of, and would still be traceable. |
You turn to goo, then you dump it in the ocean and stir vigorously. Hang out in your apartment for the next week to give it time to disperse, then drop the spell.
~J
Heh, won't a statue from Petrify have your astral signature attached to it?
Say you made the thing magically, "Why tools are so barbaric I sculpt with my mind."
| QUOTE (Nyxll) |
| someone did mention the turn to goo spell. The problem is that it is a sustained spell. What would you do with the ectoplasm? They might be slimer for a while, but it is still not easy to dispose of, and would still be traceable. |
Turn to Goo + sink = no body.
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| If you live in the country, most of your objections become unimportant. ~J |
Well, I was assuming that Bill the Shadowrunner was needing to dispose of a body, not Bill the Farmer.
| QUOTE (Angelone) |
| Turn to Goo + sink = no body. |
I imagine scooping up a couple hundred pounds of biosludge (which will probably be hell to get out of the carpet) would be rather tedious and time consuming. And if you pour it down the sink too fast, you could gum up the plumbing. That's going to be a bit difficult to explain to the plumber.
Levitate, + spirit using power of movement.... send body up 160 km (where space begins.)
Drop spell.
Let body burn up on re-entry.
Nothing left.
Drop spell.
Let body burn up on re-entry.
Nothing left.
| QUOTE (Nyxll) |
| yes .... but part of the exercise is to try and dispose of the body without creating a trace or evidence. So ... now you have a body for some reason ... time to dispose of it ... how do you do so in ways to foil a ritual team and other unwanted attention. |
Simply dispose of it in a way that it no one will be looking for trace evidence or sending a ritual team.
That's why Lone Star created Z zones, after all.
A body found in an alley in a Z zone is not in Lone Star's jurisdication. And none of the locals would want to call Lone Star anyway. Your only real risk is transporting the body to the Z zone.Tip - motorcycle bad, van good.
Or just sell it to the organleggers or the ghouls.
| QUOTE (Ed Simons) | ||
Well, I was assuming that Bill the Shadowrunner was needing to dispose of a body, not Bill the Farmer. |
How about Bill the survivalist/anarchist who live in the middle of nowhere and Shadowruns to make money to buy more guns for when the man comes to get him?
Feed it to your pet behemoths.
Eh, if you know your runner is going to be heavy on the wet-work and disposal, then having a Ghoul in cognito as a contact could be very, very useful. Difficult to track down when the remains have been cut into meal-sized portions, wrapped in butcher paper, and frozen in an icebox. (Although you might give the poor ghoul some warning if he has a lot of cyber or implants, I'd hate to pick those out of my teeth if I were inobservant or in a big fraggin' hurry.)
Aside from that, there are plenty of empty buildings in the semi-abandoned once suburbs of Seattle that you could put the body in after cutting out their teeth and cyber (which could be used to identify them) then using some sort of very hot burning accelerant, burn the place down on top of them. There would be too much ash there to sift through and find the remains...and so far out of Seattle, few would be willing to risk it.
The first is simple if you can aquire the proper contacts and have confidence in their cover.
The second is pretty quick and easy if you do a little legwork ahead of time.
Aside from that, there are plenty of empty buildings in the semi-abandoned once suburbs of Seattle that you could put the body in after cutting out their teeth and cyber (which could be used to identify them) then using some sort of very hot burning accelerant, burn the place down on top of them. There would be too much ash there to sift through and find the remains...and so far out of Seattle, few would be willing to risk it.
The first is simple if you can aquire the proper contacts and have confidence in their cover.
The second is pretty quick and easy if you do a little legwork ahead of time.
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) | ||||
How about Bill the survivalist/anarchist who live in the middle of nowhere and Shadowruns to make money to buy more guns for when the man comes to get him? Feed it to your pet behemoths. |
in such instances, I would capitalise it like; "The Man."
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| QUOTE (ShadowGhost) |
| Levitate, + spirit using power of movement.... send body up 160 km (where space begins.) Drop spell. Let body burn up on re-entry. Nothing left. |
The body will not burn up during reentry. It would simply fall twards earth, reach terminal velocity, and splat somewhere. It would be the same as hitting from any heigh sufficent to reach terminal velocity.
The whole 'burn up on reentry' thing is because an orbiting object is going in excess of mach 12 (or something crazy like that, I forget the exact number). And inorder to break orbit you have to slow the craft down. Now since the craft uses most of it's fuel to get up to this insane velocity (buy the way, this is why it takes so much fule to get into orbit.), we use a thruster to push the craft twards earth. Where the friction with the atmosphere slows the craft down and it falls to earth.
Inorder to have the body burn up in atmosphere, you have to get it up to orbital velocities.
How to dispose of the body? Acid won't work, you actualy need a strong base.
Well then, send the body 160 kilometers up and accelerate it to mach 12, thataway.
If you're an initiate, that can help. We'll say Grade 4 initiate, Magic 10, with a Force 10 spirit. Use a bit of karma to get 10 successes on a Force 10 Levitate spell, for a total of 333.333 meters/second, or slightly under the speed of sound. Launch it almost straight up. Keep going until the spell drops from lack of mana, making sure that it's also going out over the ocean. When the spell is starting to get difficult to sustain, switch to just going straight up. When the spell drops, the body will continue to travel up for some distance before beginning its descent. Likely it'll still be too much in atmosphere to hit burnup velocities on its way back in, but it'll hit the ocean with a very big splat and the bits will sink.
Best part is, you don't have to wait until they're dead to do it.
~J
Best part is, you don't have to wait until they're dead to do it.
~J
Kegentenshi, that's evil. You win a skull and crossbones.
Turn to Goo,
any sink'll do...
any sink'll do...
I do not know much about devil or demon rats, will they devour a corpse quickly?
If you know where a few nests are, I am sure they could eat a corpse pretty quickly.
If you know where a few nests are, I am sure they could eat a corpse pretty quickly.
take the dead guy put really tight shackles on (or through) his arms and legs. connect to iron balls steal yacht. boat out to marianies (can't spell) trench toss overboard, dock in spain sell the boat to a chop shop. take a plane to brazil wait two days so your decker can create false travel planes to brazil. then fly home and if your investigated by the Star say you were in brazil. they look into it and find out you were in brazil. investigation over, runners off the hook.
You do know the Marianas Trench is a little ways off the coast of Japan? Kind of a long distance to get rid of 1 body. Plus, there'd also probably be other boats hanging around it.
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| You do know the Marianas Trench is a little ways off the coast of Japan? Kind of a long distance to get rid of 1 body. Plus, there'd also probably be other boats hanging around it. |
So, just keep the bodies in your basement until you've accumulated enough to make it cost-effective.
Say, a few hundred or so.
It'd probably just be more cost effective to eat your victims.
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| It'd probably just be more cost effective to eat your victims. |
But look at where that got Dr. Lecter. While I wouldn't mind sharing a South American villa with a beautiful former FBI agent, I would prefer to skip the decade or so in an institution for the criminally insane.
Well, to avoid getting caught, just stay the hell away from Ed Norton.
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| Well, to avoid getting caught, just stay the hell away from Ed Norton. |
I can see from all the new faces around here that many of you haven't been following rule number one!
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| Well, to avoid getting caught, just stay the hell away from Ed Norton. |
That may not be possible. He is a pretty integral part of Project Mayhem, after all.
What's Project Mayhem?
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| What's Project Mayhem? |
The first rule of Project Mayhem is you do not talk about Project Mayhem.
The second rule of Project Mayhem is you do not talk about Project Mayhem.
If I were to tell you that anyone who frags with Project Mayhem, even if it is me, gets his testicles cut off (we still don't know what to do about women who frag with Project Mayhem), I would be violating the first two rules of Project Mayhem.
If I told you that Fight Club is the greatest movie of all time and you should watch it I would be violating the first two rules of Project Mayhem.
Now tell me this, What is the first rule of Project Mayhem?
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
| QUOTE (Voorhees) |
| I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. |
So we could use the space in the flower garden beside Bob.
They killed Bob!
~J
~J
His name is Robert Paulson!
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