Zander Coyote
Aug 21 2006, 03:22 AM
A philsophical question for all of you. Are trolls attracted to trolls? Orcs to orcs? cyclops to cyclops. A simple question at first, but you must consider the social programing. We are all taught a certain thing is attractive, a certain shape, a sense of humour etc. An interesting question in my mind.
At the time I did have a PI troll by the name of Jack. He was raised in a catholic orphanage, taught by at least one abusive humanis teacher. I had decided that due to condition, he was not usually attracted to trolls, and thus lonely a lot of the time...
What do you think?
Ed_209a
Aug 21 2006, 03:35 AM
Depends if they have had enough time to develop their own culture in 2060.
I would say this would be more prevalent in wilderness Trolls than urban trolls, since they aren't exposed to the elf/human archtype of beauty as much
SL James
Aug 21 2006, 03:53 AM
QUOTE (Zander Coyote) |
At the time I did have a PI troll by the name of Jack. He was raised in a catholic orphanage, taught by at least one abusive humanis teacher. I had decided that due to condition, he was not usually attracted to trolls, and thus lonely a lot of the time...
What do you think? |
Reminds me of Chapelle's black KKK member.
Ancient History
Aug 21 2006, 03:58 AM
Carrot: "You know the Hooms? The street gang?"
Vimes: "What about them?"
Carrot: "They've initiated their first troll member."
Vimes: "What? I thought they went around beating up trolls! I thought that was the whole point!"
Carrot: "Well, apparently young Calcite likes beating up trolls, too."
Vimes: "And that's good?"
Carrot: "In a way, sir, I suppose it's a step forward."
Vimes: "United in hatred, you mean?"
-Terry Pratchett, Night Watch
LilithTaveril
Aug 21 2006, 04:00 AM
I'd say it would be a genetic thing. They're not just a subtle variation of humans. They're a different subspecies. They'd probably have some genetic programming that causes them to find troll girls attractive. Wouldn't stop them from mating with the other metahumans.
Ancient History
Aug 21 2006, 04:02 AM
QUOTE (LilithTaveril) |
They'd probably have some genetic programming that causes them to find troll girls attractive. |
Right. The D-cups wouldn't have a thing to do with it.
LilithTaveril
Aug 21 2006, 04:08 AM
You'll have to excuse me, but a chest covered in bony deposits is A MAJOR TURNOFF. Besides, the first female troll you see a picture of is on page 102.
Kagetenshi
Aug 21 2006, 04:13 AM
Damage and initiative?
~J
JonathanC
Aug 21 2006, 04:38 AM
well, they don't have bony deposits everywhere. I mean, if you look at the troll on the cover of Mr. Johnson's Black book, he looks pretty smooth. I think most of the artists are drawing Trolls as if they were the actual tokien-style trolls, as opposed to being related to humans. I mean, they're all part of the Homo Sapiens species, so orks, trolls, humans, dwarves, and elves are all going to look fairly similar, as opposed to orks and trolls looking like something completely different.
So, I can totally see a troll being attracted to a 7 foot tall woman with horns, cute 'lil sharp tusks, and some bony deposits to rub against. In fact, I can see a few ork poser humans trying to get her digits as well.
FanGirl
Aug 21 2006, 07:02 AM
QUOTE (LilithTaveril @ Aug 20 2006, 11:08 PM) |
You'll have to excuse me, but a chest covered in bony deposits is A MAJOR TURNOFF. Besides, the first female troll you see a picture of is on page 102. |
Not true! Pages 5 and 8 of SR4 feature illustrations from a short story called "Buzzkill." Both pictures feature Zumi, a former corp princess who lost her inheritance by Goblinizing during the Year of the Comet. Granted, Zumi doesn't look terribly pretty (by human standards) in either picture, but I'm sure that at least part of her unattractiveness is due to the fact that she's frowning in the first one and yelling in the second: people tend to look less attractive when they're not smiling. I should also note that the second picture shows her to be quite curvaceous.
hyzmarca
Aug 21 2006, 07:23 AM
QUOTE (LilithTaveril) |
You'll have to excuse me, but a chest covered in bony deposits is A MAJOR TURNOFF. Besides, the first female troll you see a picture of is on page 102. |
Speak for yourself. Some people like bony deposits.
Samaels Ghost
Aug 21 2006, 08:29 AM
HOLY CRAP! I didn't realize the troll in those pictures was female! Why do they have to be so wrinkly? A big muscular woman is unattractive enough. Horns are a plus. Calcium Deposits are bad, but only if they're in usually soft spots (like the stomach, chest, breasts, thighs). Tusks.....eww. Unless they're modest ones.
PBTHHHHT
Aug 21 2006, 08:42 AM
With strong enough beer goggles...
Firewall
Aug 21 2006, 08:49 AM
QUOTE (LilithTaveril) |
Wouldn't stop them from mating with the other metahumans. |
But the... the size difference...
I have this scary image of a troll male being quite well-endowed. So a male troll would seriously damage an elf woman and an elf man might not be able to satisfy a troll woman...
Samaels Ghost
Aug 21 2006, 08:59 AM
A hotdog down a hallway
PBTHHHHT
Aug 21 2006, 09:52 AM
Which in another thread and poster had mentioned, there'll be ads devices/procedures that'll enable for metahumans to be hung like a troll...
hyzmarca
Aug 21 2006, 09:53 AM
Well that's just racist. Not all trolls have big equipment. Looking at the animal kingdom, it is quite obvious that equipment size does not scale with body size.
Gorillas, for example, have realitivly small penes in spite of their realitivly large size.
Likewise, a troll's vagina does not have to be large at all. One would expect it to be of an appropriate size and elasticity to accommodate childbirth. However, we have never seen a picture of an infant troll. It is quite possible for a full-term newborn troll to be relatively small. Also, elasticity is far more important that resting size in this matter.
PBTHHHHT
Aug 21 2006, 11:13 AM
I wasn't making any comment, I just thought it was funny that someone had already mentioned about it before and the whole insecurities people have that some would respond to the pitch of having the perceived largeness that trolls may or may not have. Which is arbitrary up to the GM on that aspect of troll physiology.
Snow_Fox
Aug 21 2006, 11:41 AM
I think this is an incredibly good thought. The natural idea is that trolls owuld be programed biologically to like their own kind. but they are fighting against the media telling them willowy humans and elves are hot. One rarely sees a troll girl in bikini posing next to the latest model Jag'.
There might be some social interest in 'large' girls, the way you get black werapper going on about "I like big butts" a physical tendency, the "bubble butt" more common in black women, but still getting affected by the media. The way they've found little girls from minoritys have been found to favor a blond, white Barbie over a Barbie doll that is more their ethnic type.
So Joe the Troll dock worker gets home, opens a couple of beers and watches Babe Watch and is programmed to think willowy is the peak. Goes to a bar the next night and hits on the human woman at the bar and she rejects him. What happens to his self image? What happens to his view of other metas?
venenum
Aug 21 2006, 11:42 AM
QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
However, we have never seen a picture of an infant troll. It is quite possible for a full-term newborn troll to be relatively small. |
Wellthats true but it just takes a little digging to get some info on troll babies. In the 1989 version of shadowrun 1st ed. on page 29, and i qoute,
QUOTE |
YOUNG: Usually one. Birth weight as a percentage of the mother's is 2.5 |
, Well taking in to account the size growth by 180 kilograms and srinkige by .3 meters i would say the percentage would be around 3.5%. So 10.5 kilos or 23.1 pounds so huge by human standards let that be your guide
Smokeskin
Aug 21 2006, 02:39 PM
It is rather well-documented that the brain is wired for this.
Basically, when you are getting sex and love, you raise you standards. When you don't get any, you lower your standards. A girl that you wouldn't even look at, after a long enough dry season your brain is ready to fall in love with her.
It's a rather efficient evolutionary strategy. You go for the best genes possible, if that fails you try the next step down in the gene pool. Repeat until you get offspring.
It really isn't any different than today, where people get disfigured or something and still manage to find mutual love later.
Backgammon
Aug 21 2006, 03:21 PM
There was a thread on this, oh, a long time ago, i think on a previous incarnation in fact. Anyway, one good point someone brought up was that Trolls may well prefer Trolls (and maybe orc) because human girls would be far too fragile for them. Can't have any fun, they break in half. They got tiny little tits, tiny little asses... From a Troll perspective, human girls are really just small and uninteresting.
knasser
Aug 21 2006, 06:26 PM
It's been shown in several validated studies that, and I'm really sorry to say this, men tend to go for women that resemble their mothers. Now this isn't my experience, but it was in New Scientist so it must be true.
That would mean that first generation trolls probably wont go for other trolls by preference and that will probably be very traumatic for them. But second generation trolls, those born of other trolls, will likely have a greater liking for other trolls. As to female trolls with male humans, it's not to say that size and strength are rated higher than a pretty face and trim body, but they do count for something and when you get to the discrepancy between humans and trolls, it's going to be a mighty confident man that can hold a troll girl in his arms and make her feel looked after. And that's something a lot of girls want.
Now lesbian trolls I can totally see going for an elf or human woman. These will be much more feminine than a female troll and there isn't so much of a cultural hang-up about needing a big strong partner.
All in all though, looks only count for so much. They might catch your eye, but ultimately we all want someone we're comfortable with, someone we trust and someone we can relate to. When you're nine-foot tall, can lift a piano and have spent your life as one of societies rarer ethnic minorities, you're going to find more of a connection with a girl who's eight-foot tall and can lift a double bed. Love is more important than simple looks.
My take.
Smokeskin
Aug 21 2006, 06:26 PM
QUOTE (Backgammon) |
There was a thread on this, oh, a long time ago, i think on a previous incarnation in fact. Anyway, one good point someone brought up was that Trolls may well prefer Trolls (and maybe orc) because human girls would be far too fragile for them. Can't have any fun, they break in half. They got tiny little tits, tiny little asses... From a Troll perspective, human girls are really just small and uninteresting. |
Hehe good point. Comparing to myself, Gisele Bundchen in a 3 feet-tall version might well be more of a freaky curiousity than a babe.
Tanka
Aug 21 2006, 06:55 PM
QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) |
With strong enough beer goggles... |
The Goggles! They do nothing!
PBTHHHHT
Aug 21 2006, 08:06 PM
QUOTE (Tanka) |
QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Aug 21 2006, 04:42 AM) | With strong enough beer goggles... |
The Goggles! They do nothing!
|
In that case, take one for the team! Or how about... I double dare ya!
Butterblume
Aug 21 2006, 08:17 PM
QUOTE (JonathanC) |
So, I can totally see a troll being attracted to a 7 foot tall woman with horns, cute 'lil sharp tusks, and some bony deposits to rub against. |
I can see the dwarf Casanunda being attracted, at least when he has his stepladder at hand.
Zander Coyote
Aug 22 2006, 01:29 AM
As far as humans being too small for trolls, how many examples of six foot tall guys going for the tiny girls? I always found it a little odd, but I am short anyway. I believe it is all a matter of perspective. The troll and/or orc born to the barrens, exposed to greater society less then the goblinized corp kid, would lean more troll at first. The corp kid, always told what to do, would have a much harder time of it.
krayola red
Aug 22 2006, 03:02 AM
QUOTE (Butterblume) |
QUOTE (JonathanC) | So, I can totally see a troll being attracted to a 7 foot tall woman with horns, cute 'lil sharp tusks, and some bony deposits to rub against. |
I can see the dwarf Casanunda being attracted, at least when he has his stepladder at hand.
|
By stepladder do you mean ballistic riot shield?
Fresno Bob
Aug 22 2006, 03:29 AM
QUOTE (Ancient History) |
QUOTE (LilithTaveril @ Aug 21 2006, 04:00 AM) | They'd probably have some genetic programming that causes them to find troll girls attractive. |
Right. The D-cups wouldn't have a thing to do with it. |
Right. D-Cups. Troll babes would have like, G cups. Or like... H.
Kagetenshi
Aug 22 2006, 03:48 AM
You mean we might actually start to see some standardization in cup sizes past D? Awesome!
~J
SL James
Aug 22 2006, 06:26 AM
QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) |
QUOTE (Tanka @ Aug 21 2006, 01:55 PM) | QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Aug 21 2006, 04:42 AM) | With strong enough beer goggles... |
The Goggles! They do nothing!
|
In that case, take one for the team! Or how about... I double dare ya!
|
Pity the poor wingman who has to distract the token troll friend of the humans at the club.
Critias
Aug 22 2006, 06:50 AM
"Hey there...baby. You, uhh, got perky...horns."
RunnerPaul
Aug 22 2006, 07:17 AM
Don't think of them as horns. Think of them as handlebars for oral sex.
Critias
Aug 22 2006, 07:18 AM
I thought that's what elf-ears were for.
BookWyrm
Aug 22 2006, 07:29 AM
I'll refrain from posting the obvious porn-title related ideas this thread is giving me.
Kagetenshi
Aug 22 2006, 01:06 PM
Lesbian Troll pornography is a big market.
~J
LilithTaveril
Aug 22 2006, 01:10 PM
Yeah. It's used by Mafia Dons and Yaks to scare women into paying or doing favors.
hyzmarca
Aug 22 2006, 01:17 PM
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 21 2006, 10:48 PM) |
You mean we might actually start to see some standardization in cup sizes past D? Awesome!
~J |
Have trouble buying bras that fit?
Nah, troll women won't have substantially larger cup sizes because of their larger band size.
JonathanC
Aug 22 2006, 04:42 PM
Plus, bra sizes already go up to at least F, and I think I've heard of G. I know a fair number of women who had to go up 2-3 cup sizes after pregnancy. Temporarily, of course.
hyzmarca
Aug 22 2006, 05:13 PM
They go up much farther than G. JJ is the highest that I'm aware of but one could probably get a bigger bra custom made.
The only problem is that it is extremely difficult to find a bra larger than DD. There just isn't much demand for larger sizes of they aren't usually stocked. They'd have to be custom ordered in many cases. This can be very expensive.
But, there is some evidence that there are health benefits to not wearing a bra. Supposedly, wearing a bra regularly causes the muscles that normally support the breasts to atrophy, leading to greater sag over one's lifetime. There is also speculation that bouncing breasts stimulate the lymphatic system which removes toxins from the body.
SL James
Aug 22 2006, 05:20 PM
Google is fun:
These are sold up to "I". I've heard of the JJ and after that it's more of a matter of customization beyond mere formulae.
Edit:
Good lord.
54LL. "The 54LL shop uses the pair method, so presumably a double-L cup size exceeds the band size by 21 inches."
Edit 2:
This is just ...
Wow (last post).
Kagetenshi
Aug 22 2006, 06:09 PM
QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
They go up much farther than G. JJ is the highest that I'm aware of but one could probably get a bigger bra custom made.
The only problem is that it is extremely difficult to find a bra larger than DD. |
Like the article SL James posted says, once you pass DD the labels are meaningless. One shop's JJJJ is another shop's DDDDDDDD is another shop's N, and so on.
QUOTE |
Have trouble buying bras that fit? |
Yeah. No one seems to carry AAAs. Maybe I should get a training bra…
~J, insecure about his small bust size
RunnerPaul
Aug 23 2006, 08:26 AM
QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
The only problem is that it is extremely difficult to find a bra larger than DD. There just isn't much demand for larger sizes of they aren't usually stocked. They'd have to be custom ordered in many cases. This can be very expensive. |
I run into this problem all the time trying to find G's for my girlfriend.
hyzmarca
Aug 23 2006, 12:52 PM
QUOTE (RunnerPaul) |
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 22 2006, 12:13 PM) | The only problem is that it is extremely difficult to find a bra larger than DD. There just isn't much demand for larger sizes of they aren't usually stocked. They'd have to be custom ordered in many cases. This can be very expensive. |
I run into this problem all the time trying to find G's for my girlfriend.
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Now that's just bragging.
QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
Yeah. No one seems to carry AAAs. Maybe I should get a training bra…
~J, insecure about his small bust size |
Try eating as much fatty food as possible and stop exercising. If you don't die or coronary artery disease first, you'll develop a nice set of man-boobs.
Since we're on the subject of troll love:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...141293?v=glanceThe way I see it, love does not know the bounds of race but society in general wouldn't react well to interracial couples. If your a human, an elf, or a dwarf there's nothing wrong with a wild affair with a sexy troll. But, taking her home to mama is a big no-no and marrying her would be scandalous.
Snow_Fox
Aug 23 2006, 12:57 PM
Nazi Lesbian Trolls, on pay perview.
RunnerPaul
Aug 24 2006, 05:02 AM
QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Aug 23 2006, 03:26 AM) | I run into this problem all the time trying to find G's for my girlfriend. |
Now that's just bragging.
|
True.
At least I didn't go into how much I've spent over the past year to keep her stocked in polyhedral dice, magic cards, and upgrades for her high-end gaming rig so she can get a smooth frame rate on Oblivion. Because that'd be crossing the line from bragging into gloating.
hyzmarca
Aug 24 2006, 05:49 AM
QUOTE (RunnerPaul) |
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 23 2006, 07:52 AM) | QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Aug 23 2006, 03:26 AM) | I run into this problem all the time trying to find G's for my girlfriend. |
Now that's just bragging.
|
True.
At least I didn't go into how much I've spent over the past year to keep her stocked in polyhedral dice, magic cards, and upgrades for her high-end gaming rig so she can get a smooth frame rate on Oblivion. Because that'd be crossing the line from bragging into gloating.
|

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Your claims are just too wild to believe.
Critias
Aug 24 2006, 06:00 AM
Hey, some've us have married gamer chicks. Mine just had her birthday last week, and her gifts consisted of firearms and Gencon swag -- that's about as cool a gal as you're gonna get, right there.
RunnerPaul
Aug 24 2006, 07:29 AM
QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
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Your claims are just too wild to believe. |
Unfortunately, extraordinary claims can only be substantiated by extraordinary proof, something that this medium is unsuited for.
Luckily, you don't have to believe any of it, as it doesn't really matter either way. I wouldn't believe it either, to be honest. So, having said that, I'm letting it drop.