I don't like the rabble masses vampire feel Wheadon created. Also, they burst into flame if you even think about pointing a stake in their general direction. That's kind of lame. I like vampires having fewer numbers, being selctive about procreation and maybe having some weird powers. Or at least real strenght and durability.
And they should not bleed. Corpses without pulse should not get bruises and should not bleed. Unfortunatly the only game that adresses this, even if only a little, is WoD.

I think I need to play Blodlines again for some neet vampire action. Jack rules!

Since when are Infected animated corpses? If that were so, Vampires' lower parts would swell significantl and turn red as allt he blood sips down, while the upper part should be dried ... some sort of circulation would be needed for them to maintain a somewhat human appearance.

I was just talking about general vamps, not SR Infected, who are kind of in the twilight zone of the whole undead thingy.

I am talking about general vamps too, like the WoD ones, who also abide by the laws of gravity.

WoD vampires are animated corpses. No blood in their veins, no heartbeat, no bruises, no bleeding.
Anytime I see a vamp flick where the vamps claim to have no heartbeat, but start bleeding like any other sucker after a brawl, I lose interest in said flick in an instant.

Uh-Hunh. I like the infected version (Underworld, UV, Blade, et al) better anyway. Animated corpses have to be reduced to rotting while walking, uttering the occasional 'bleweh' and 'bwaaaaar' and eating brains, if you ask me.

Which I don't.
And WoD vamps start to rot if they don't feed on blood.
Infections are for half-scientific wussies, IMO. If I want supernatural, I don't try to explain it with idiotic half-assed theories about blood diseases. I like the SR Infected though, since there is no real science involved. Magic and metagenes saved the day for me.
Until SR4 made blood a dietry requirement. But hell, that's what houserules are for.

Yeah, I liked that too. Besides, why can't there be magic viruses? Blade overdid it, very much, yes. I still like an unexplained magical virus thing better than zombies deluxe (with feelings! that are all emo and goth-gorl-shag-machines!).

As for the dietrary requirement ... well duh ... you don't mind that in oWoD either, don't you? I certainly do, but I mind a lot of things SR4 changed.

Point 1: WoD vamps most certainly do not begin to rot when they don't feed. There are specific flaws to that effect, but in general vampires who don't feed just become progressively more pissy. You could also argue that Samedi rot more if they don't feed, but they rot to begin with.

Point 2: Blood has always been a dietary requirement, just not worded in the way it is in SR4. It's always been essence drain based, but vampires have never been able to use their essence drain ability in any form other than via blood drinking.

The Shadowrun Vampire is an animated corpse. The living entity is a virus which can revert into a cloud of gas and turn itself into the shape of the original victim at a later date. They can't have sexual children with humans or with anything else. To reproduce, they kill and infect other metahumans.

Technically the scientific name of a vampire should be "Human Metahuman Vampiric Virus."

-Frank

What you should be asking is can you make a normal shadowrun character at 325 points that is at the same power level as a dragon. If the answer is no, then dragons are overpowered, simple as that But then again, trolls are overpowered compared to everything else: 40bp extra for 80bp worth of stats, dermal plating, reach, and thermographic vision? Ya.

More simple amicably to refuse and have you as a GM, I suppose. However, I have to state that at least as much as I'm concerned, your vision is way off the mark. I do fancy a lot playing powerful, passionate characters that you would most likely deem Mary-Sueish, but fishing for attention is not the goal. It is all about being larger-than-life, having flashy, on the edge concepts, and interesting, colorful personalities, and, above all, the intoxicating feeling of vicarious fantasy empowerment that comes from playing uberpowerful badasses that can take any crap short of epic their world throws at them, and throw it back sevenfold. It has nothing to do with hogging the spotlight.



Hehehe, did I tell you that the zealot witchhunter is my preferred brand of cannon-fodder NPC in any game and setting ?

I never tire of killing Inquisitor NPC, they are my Orks and Nazis.



Sure, Infected can always choose to convert close friends and loved ones. If they are any smart, they only do it if the subject consents, is likely to adapt well to the violent lifestyle (Jane Runner is rather more likely to do than Jane Wageslave) and is of the metatype that is known to retain sentience after HMHVV infection. OTOH, if they do, it is a wonderful opportunity for companionship. Sharing the lifestyle may be one of the best way to ensure a successful relationship.

Vampires and wendigoes are rare, but there is nothing in their makeup to make them asocial any more than the need to adapt to a predatory lifestyle. And as nature shows us, predators can perfectly adapt to live in small groups and social circles. So a vampire or wendigo can surely come to see his runner mates as her "pack", even if they are not Infected.



First of all, please don't misuse the word "psychotic". It pains the eyes of professionals. The word means "having delusions, hallucinations, or gross disruption of ability to think coherently". As a rule, vampires and wendigoes have not any of them as a side-effect of their nature (individuals may, of course, but that's another matter). If anything, the word you are seeking is "sociopathic", and even that is terribly abused in popular culture.

Second, the vast majority of runners is perfectly able to kill their teammates if they were to turn on them unexpectedly. The Infected are nothing new on this. It all balances on mutual need to have trustworthy allies and contacts, the undesirableness of mutual assured destruction, the vital importance of relaibility in runner society, and well even predators may have some need for companionship. So if an Infected enters a runner team, he is not going to turn on them at the last opportunity, and so are his pals.

Third, and most important, it takes many months, up to a year, before a vampire or wendigo is starved for Essence and becomes dangerously hungry with an overwhelming craving. The likelihood that an Infected runner is going to be holed for months together with his team, with no access to other subjects, and no possibility to gorge on Essence before going in, is abysmally low.



As I said, attention-seeking is not the goal of my gameplay and is diligently avoided. Overpowered and world-breaking, as you put it, playstyle is indeed a goal, but I prefer to think of it as "epic", "cinematic", and "larger than life", in the purest Hollywood/Hong-Kong action-movie blockbuster tradition.

Malicant obviously you have never played WoD if you say vampires in WoD have no blood in their veins and no heartbeat. Blood is the very essence of what makes the vampire, and in fact the lower the amount of blood the vampire has the more likely they are to go on a feral killing rampage. Blood is everything to the vampire

Added to that, WoD vampires don't rot if they fail to feed on blood, they just get really really crazy.

In WoD it's not a dietry requirement. It's the fuel they use to keep themselfs going. That role is filled by Essence Drain in SR, making the blood part kind of... meh. It serves no purpose.



Yes they do. The bashing damage they suffer when out-of-blood is them turning into the rotting corpses they should be.


No, blood was only neccessary as a transmitter for Essence Drain. It said in SR3 that vamps don't need blood for anything but the draining process. Which you did say, of course. but you are wrong to assume that is the same as a dietry requirement.


You, sir, are very wrong. You will not find a drop of blood in a WoD vampire. What you will find is Vitae, which is NOT blood. Also, Vitae is not stored in his veins, but rather in the region where the vampires organs used to be. And as I said before, they rot without blood/Vitae.

Unless that's the specific focus of the campaign, that's what you do, though (and you also piss everyone off).


Hunh. That's actually the only cocnept in VTM I find vaguely appealing. But that's very vague.


Uhm, which part of "TOXIC SHAMAN" is so hard to understand? Vampires less so, but Wendigos? Besides, Vampires usually end up twisted mages, too.


Well, yes? According to fluff, many vampires and Wendigos end up like that, especially when hungry. Okay, or sociopathic. Now satisfied?


What predator lives in a pack with their prey? Humans don't count, as farmers don't trewat cattle as pets, and we very rarely eat our pets if we keep them.


Oh yes, they are. If need be, they'd turn on them because their hunger makes them. Or just because they finally snap completely.


Yeah, everyone infected will thank their maker for that great gift ... uh, sure.


Exactly. And Vampires and moreso Wendiigos are hardly reliable, being all twisted and toxic and, as you put it, predatory. Or would you easily trust your life to something that considers you food (or a plague to earth)? I know I certainly wouldn't.


Oh sure. They live off people but need being wubbed too. Jeez. Totally. Especially wendigo, being toxic shamans and all.


No offense to you personally, but that sounds a lot like using 30-megaton h-bombs for precision, no-collateral damage strikes. In special campaigns where going wild is the theme? Sure, that'll work. In a more default SR campaign? No.

Wendigos are not toxic. They might become so, sure, but are not by default. Most would be twisted most likely, but even that is not neccessary.

Only because cattle are too large to keep as household pets. its actually quite common for hogs(pigs) to become household pets in rural farm areas, even to hog farmers(mmm bacon).

I think part of the confusion here is that while you have the basics correct, you're assuming things are going on when there's no support for that. Kinda like assuming wired reflexes cause time to dilate - it's not an incorrect idea as far as awesome or fluff goes, it's just not actually what's happening.
Also, I never claimed blood was a dietary requirement for WoD vamps. I meant it has always been a requirement for SR vamps. They have always had to use essence drain by drinking blood - the blood they drink 'carries' the essence. You might say that there's no reason for that since it's just the essence drain power, but if it doesn't drink blood, there's no reason to even call it a vampire at all. Or have any vampiric weaknesses. Those exist. They're master Shedim. Vampires, by definition, drink blood to drain essence. Functionally if you must drink blood to drain essence OR drink blood when you drain essence and you also have to have the stuff itself, then really you're just splitting TINY hairs.
Or to put it another way: if in one edition I have to be a magician to cast spells and in the next I have to have bought the magician merit AND a spell to cast spells.. we're really talking about the same thing here.

WoD Vampires: I challenge you to find me any place where it states vampires store vitae only in their organ-places. You won't find it. What's more, the descriptions of vampiric damage and combat in both old and new World of Darkness suggest that you're wrong. Their entire body stores said vitae, and consequently when punctured, it will leak out. They won't bleed per se, but blood will fall out of their bodies and get it smeared all over the place. (Vampire: The Requiem, p. 156).

In NWoD:
-Blood and vitae are identical unless they are within a vampire's body. See page 156 - vitae becomes regular old blood upon leaving the vamp's body. Vitae is just the fancy word for it while a vampire is able to use it to do magic stuff. QED since there's no mystical congealing of energy to blood when a vampire opens a vein and feeds some to their ghoul, we can assume that blood and vitae look and function identically once they leave the vampire's body, and are indistinguishable by scientific means.
(If you're gonna go, "Well, I said there was no BLOOD", then I should point out that this is semantic hair splitting and is retarded. So don't try that argument. It's like whining about clips vs magazines when discussing Die Hard: we don't care. We just care that John is gonna kill some people.)
-Spending blood causes the vampire to look more dead, not to rot. A corpselike appearance is common, vampirically speaking. Rotting as you spend blood is not. Page 156 again. Given that no social penalty is accrued, we can assume that this progression from full pool to empty is very slight, physically speaking.
-Vampires empty of blood do not take damage simply because they are empty. They simply cannot spend blood - this includes spending the blood required to awaken in the evening. THAT is where the damage comes from. It's because they might be 'burning up stored energy of their consciousness' or something. Not simply by being empty. What's more, there's no evidence that this is 'rot'. There's as much evidence of rot as there is that it's rigor mortis. None. (Page 176). Evidence in support of the fact that it's weakness and not rot is as follows: the vampire is never penalized on social rolls for having rotted if they're awoken after several nights of this, despite the fact that they will not have healed the damage. And if rotting isn't gonna give you a social penalty, I don't know what is. Furthermore, that damage isn't bashing, it's lethal. Just by way of clarification.

In OWoD:
-The rules are almost identical for the most part, only the wording changes. Vampires empty of blood lose health levels when REQUIRED to spend blood, which generally only means while waking for the night or hit with a Thaumaturgy effect. Again, no penalty for social rolls if the vampire is awoken with blood. (Vampire: The Masquerade 3rd Edition, page 216).
-Unfortunately, vampire blood in OWoD is described alternately as totally mundane (3rd edition books, mostly) and as being inherently supernatural and detectable by science (Strike Force Zero, The Valkenberg Foundation, others).

Only if the campaign is specifically focused to be utterly incompatible with high-powered characters and gameplay, and I wouldn't ever play in one such.



To anyone their own fancies, with my blessing.

My utter loathing for the witchhunter concept is rooted in my radical hate for RL violent religious zealots.



In SR4, the magic traditions that condone or exalt predatory behavior are Twisted most likely at worst, but may be mainstream at best. They have little to do with the apocalyptic worldview SR4 toxic uphold. Wendigos and vampires are not toxic by default.

As Malicant aptly said, they might become so, sure, but are no more likely than other runners. Most Infected would be twisted most likely, but even that is not neccesary.



I would better describe the state the Infected enter at Essence 0 as a severe withdrawal syndrome akin to the one addict to hard drugs and alcoholics experience. I won't deny that in such circumstances Infected, like addicts, may experience a temporary psychotic breakdown, but I made issues with your previous use of the word, since it implied they were psychotic all the time. Yes, sociopathic is a much more appropriate description.



See Starmage21's comment.



Infected only turn dangerously Essence-craving when they are completely starved, which takes many months to develop. And they are no more likely to "snap" than any other individuals living a high-stress lifestyle of constant violence, like say, the vats majority of shadowrunners. Third, the runner community is no stranger to to subpopulations of individuals with questionable psyches, like cyberzombies, addicts to augmenting drugs, followers of Berserk Mentors, etc.



Of course, not everyone, maybe not even most. It all depends on the circumstances of the infection. It is the vast majority of those subjects who willingly consented, or even requested, the transformation, that are likely to have a positive attitude on it.



Please, repeat with me, in SR4, the Infected are not toxics by default. HMHVV does not bestow any special mystical sympathy with purposeful destruction of nature. The Infected are to humans what wolves and lions are to deers. They are as much natural as predator animals are, quite a lot. They have no metaphysical affinity to apocalyptic spread of radiation, pollution, pestilence, and such. Please.



Differently from what Hollywood may show, even many sociopaths may like company. That's part of what gangs are all about.



That's what high-powered, cinematic rule variants and gameplay is all about.

I may be wrong, but ...

hermit: Didn't you at one point state that your typical game involved PCs with Karma in the high triple digits, if not the thousands? How could the addition of these things you protest so strongly against possibly be that detrimental to a game of that scale?

You don't need to be a religious fanatcic to hunt vampires, do you? I was more thinking of something like Buffy anyway.


Source?


That might work for your infected-friendly style of gaming. That doesn't mean it's anywhere near canonic. That's more along the lines of obsessive/compulsive when not hafing sucked soul for some time (and not just when they're completely drained, the craving just totally gets out of control then and the nearest essence-carrying creature is attacked then.


Cyberzombies? As Runners? Uhm ... no. In your games maybe. In games that actually consider the maintainance, both mundane and magical, a CZ needs, no, they make no runners. They might work in a corp campaign, but definitly not in a freelancer game.


SR =/= WoD. Accept that. And yes, unless it has been reconned, Wendigo ARE by default toxic shamans. Even Janice Verner was.


What it isn't, though, is the default style SR is designed and balanced for.

I just re-read the section detailing Vampires and Wendigo in the SR4 rulebook, and the section in Street Magic that discusses Twisted and Toxic Magic, and could find no mention at all of either of them being Toxic (or Twisted) by default, or even as a common occurrence. Can you please provide me with a location in one of the SR4 books (I have them all) that even implies wendigo and/or vampires are by default toxic magicians?

Retcon does not exist . In SR4 Wendigos were never toxic. The description of toxic mages is not in line with "killing people to feed on them". That would be twisted, like Blood Magic and Cannibalize Metamagics.
Also, I don't remember Janice Verner being Toxic. It's quite some time since I read the books, but I recall she died before going into predator mode. Might be wrong on this one, though.


The confusion is solely on your part here.
SR vamp needed always blood. A token amount, just like noted in Essence Drain. But in SR4 in addition to that they need blood as food. That is a Dietry Requirement. And that's what I think is kind of... not neccessary.

And I know that I won't find anything to solidify my claims on WoD vamps, since I am way to lazy to reread those books for a single passage. But I think the Pro/Epilogue of V:tR mentions exactly what I said about them beeing bloodless corpses. Pale and cold to the touch unless they want to appear normal, because no blood runs through their veins. But hell, who cares? This is not the WoD forums.
Just one final thing. Vitae is not blood. Feed a guy blood and he will get sick at best. Feed the same guy vitae and he will become quite strong and resilient. WoD Vampires drink blood and turn it to vitae in the process. It does not course through their veins, unless they force it to (losing it for any other use in the process) to fake a lifelike appearence.

Elves, 1st ed had special dietary requirements (no meat)
Elves, Orks, Dwarves and Trolls, Hunted sign. for something that is not their fault and they never chose.
Hunting groups include, but are not limited to:
Humanis Policlub
Human Nation
Alamos 20000

Humans hae a hunted sign too: Sons of Sauron

Street Samurai have anywhere up to 1,000,000 in SR3 or :nuyen:250,000 in valuable tech IN THEIR FREKING BODIES. Now THAT is wish fulfillment if anything is.

Or magicians, 1% or less of people can do what i do, I can do anything that normal people can do, in addition I can alter the world with my wishes.In addition I can summon powerful magical beings to be my friends... Also I can search my self in a big spotlight hogging 'initiation' of self discovery. After that I can explore magical new worlds on my own and gain awesome secrets and powers there to bring back to help my friends.

Or Otaku/Technomancers "Call me NEO!"


You mean the "I have less than 1 essence and am more machine than man, but I am still a person!" and the "I am a killer for hire, but deep down I love my friends and contects and try to hold some moral ground." which is shadowrunner default persona

Or "I am 8-10 feet tall and look like something out of your nightmares, but I am still a person. May I have a cup of tea?"


Please, for the sake of all gods, above and below, please tell me that pun was unintended.

That is Psychotic as in Psychosis, where Psychoticism (where the person is also called Psychotic), in Academic Criminology, refers to what WWs Exalted calls 'High Conviction' the ability to do stuff that is necessary despite the emotional hardness of it.

AMEN!!!
Okay as someone who is diagnosed as 'mildly sociopathic', I can confrim this. We like being around people, even if we do not give a flying frag what happens to them the next day. People make life less boring. Not just gang types either. I personally prefer the University academic crowd. It is nice to have people that can hold up their end of a decent arguement.

I am gonna go and see if I can dig up my copy od Paranormal Animals of North Aerica after i get some sleep

Yes, regardless of what, if any magical powers the original Ork had or did not have, once it has been Essence Drained to death and then had a Wendigo created in its place the ensuing creature is now a Shamanic (and toxic) magician. That is because it is a new creature, and the magically capable organism is the virus, not the Ork.

-Frank

Um frank, note the quote DOES NOT say toxic

just skimming some of the posts and thought it was relevant to point this out
some people are under the impression that vampires and people playing them didn't exist before Whitewolf

also playing a vamp doesn't mean you have to be an "Anne Rice wetboy"
a guy in our SR1 game played a troll vamp (not a dszoonoqua(sp) and it kicked ass
and that was before any of us had heard of WOD, anne rice or vampire hunter D

Yes, that quote does not say "toxic." What's your point? I note that Toxic traditions also don't have rules in the book that quote is from.

Wendigo are not nice people. They aren't even metahumans. They are a virus that absorbs the memories of creatures whose soul it devours through the medium of first eating their flesh. An act it generally performs after it uses its mind control powers to get its prospective victim to assist in killing and eating other metahumans. The totems which guide wendigo are totally crazy evil fucks by any metahuman standard. Every single one of them qualifies as a twisted path.

-Frank

Give me a rules or fluff quote, in ANY book which lists them as toxic

Twisted is quite different than Toxic.

Can you please point me toward the text in any SR4 book that states, or even just implies that any, let alone all Wendigo are Twisted or Toxic?

for example, why would a wolf-shaman wendigo be twistedt?
the wolf aspect of the hunter would be fitting for one of them.
As you said yourself, they ain't even metahuman anymore . .
so it would not even be their own "pack" they are hunting O.o

Oh sure it's natural and normal for them, but from the Metahuman standpoint it's wicked and twisted. They aren't summoning spirits of man, they summon Carnage spirits instead. They aren't metahumans, they aren't summoning metahuman spirits. That's natural for them, but it qualifies as sociopathic by metahuman standards.

-Frank

so, by that reasoning, all immoral elves and dragons and drakes, shapeshifters and the such are twisted/toxic?

Those are non-standard, non-human traditions. However, the definition of a twisted path is entirely subjective from the standpoint of metahuman morality and law. Immortal Elves and Dragons could be considered twisted yes, but it would be a hard sell because of the very large amount of time those people spend not killing and eating metahumans.

Wendigo fucking eat people. The actions they perform are "considered evil" by metahuman shamans. That alone makes them qualified as a Twisted Path. Go ahead and read the definition of Twisted Paths on page 137 of Street Magic (not sure if it's too long a section to paste up here). Would you say that cannibal cult leading mass murderer qualifies as someone who is "fettered by the ethics and morals of society as a whole?" Would you say that qualifies as "asocial tendencies and/or sociopathic behavior?"

Remember, moral relativism is relative to something. In the case of Shamanism it is relative to metahuman cultural norms. Wendigo fall outside those norms in shocking and horrific fashion. That makes them twisted by definition.

-Frank

Which one is it?

some Shapeshifters eat people, Dragons eat people sometimes,ghouls eat DEAD people . .
so those are all twisted then?
and one particular paragraph i like about the twisted from Street Magic:

so all shark shamans are twisted then?

That does not make much sense. Magic is described as a personal art. You don't turn twisted just because someone thinks you're evil. There are some traditions that would be exclusivly twisted otherwise.

Also, let's take the first sentance out of the Toxic Magic part in Street Magic

Now, how does that fit with Wendigos?

Well, let's take a look and Twisted just for fun.

Well, that might work for a Wendigo, but I just cannot see how all of them could fit into this just for being Wendigo.

And I also cannot see how they are the Virus. I stick with the less far-fetched explenation that the virus just changes them.

'Twisted' Surely applies to Aina's path of magic (after all, a good portion is horrors magic she learned from her ex-bf, the horror whose name starts with Y), and Alachia's and possibly Harley's, too. All IE are into blood magic to some degree, a form of magic which IS considered twisted. So, for IE, this would be a definite yes.

As for dragons, drakes, and shifters, I guess no - dragons practice nonhuman magic, but don't delve into the sacrifice/cannibalistic path a lot (they know what that will eventually bring up), drakes do what dragons do, just not as effective, and shifters follow animal totems. The last two pretty much do what ordinary humans do, magic-wise.

And malicant ...



Like that:

Selective quoting FTW, eh?

Also, next paragraph:
Sounds like the infected fit in there just fine to me. Also, please read the paragraph on Reaper shamans. Or, hell, I'll just quote it:


Goes well with the predatory role the vampy fanboys attribute to the infected, doesn't it? Now ganted, not every wendigo will run about trying to exterminate humanity as a whole, but that's where the wobbliness of SR4's mentor/path system comes in. They don't have to, they just have to vaguely behave like that to be classified as reapers.

Also, Hyde-White would work well as a Havoc, too.

Drakes actually don't do what dragons do. They use Metahuman magic, since they are not Dragons.

In 3rd edition and before there wasn't a line drawn between those two options as they were the same. SR4 has not mentioned Wendigo magic since publishing rules dividing the two, so there's no way to know. If I were writing the rules in Runner's Companion, I'd let them choose. But of course I'm not, so they may end up being restricted to one or the other.

Considering that a newly created Wendigo is given a magical tradition and a mentor, it would be entirely reasonable to actually write up the "Wendigo Tradition" in Runner' Companion, although it easily could get cut for space reasons.

-Frank

Fair enough.

Actually remember, they don't just eat people. They get a group of people to eat other people over a long period of time and then eat those corrupted people. It's beyond twisted. It's "Twisted Plus"!

That is a flavor preference, if they fight it, they can live doing much less harm than that. Think of how vegans live

even if i look down on vegetarians/vegans, you can simply not compare it like that . . vegetarians and vegans can live (and no, in my eyes not JUST FINE) without anything from an animal . . a wendigo that does not eat metahuman flesh dies, just as a ghoul will and just as a vampire will, if they don't get their regular fix of essence . .

Ghouls are a bad example. Since they have to eat metahuman flesh but don't have to get it from a living and conscious source, a Ghoul actually can achieve limited impact. Ghouls can eat the corpses of people who die of natural causes or the refuse from clones. And while many religious groups consider that no better than the Hannibal crap that Wendigo have to pull, personally I don't have a problem with it.

Once you're dead, your body will be devoured. It does not strike me as ethically superior for your body to be eaten by worms than for it to be eaten by Ghouls. So I'm willing to entertain the notion of "good ghouls" whose civil rights have to be defended. But Wendigo are always going to be Kill on Sight no matter how they "feel" about being a top predator who can only achieve sexual release by torturing a metahuman to death.

-Frank

Of course vegans can live out normal lifespans without eating meat. Wendigos can live out normal lifespans without eating people that they've corrupted into cannibalism. They still eat people, but they don't need to corrupt them into cannibals. That was the comparison. Kremlin KOA wasn't saying they don't eat people.

Why do I have a sudden urge to go get some Soylent Green? Is Tuesday Soylent Green day? I need to check my calendar....

Even if you aren't writing for Runner's Companion, I sure hope you got some sections in Gone Wild (or whatever the critter book is going to be).


Corrupted meat tastes better! Seriously though, I am totally looking forward to a nice breakfast salad.

ah, okay, i was barking up the wrong tree so to say . . and over here, it's still sunday O.o