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DigitalOYABUN
We arent co-ordinating as a team yet, so do what you feel is necessary. Like I posted I'm running for cover (ducking, bobbing and weaving etc) on my first action.
Karoline
I know that, but I meant are you done with your turn so that I can do mine? Since what you do during your turn could affect what I do during mine, and what I do during mine could retroactively affect what you do.

I suppose I'll just go, operating under the assumption that you lack a way to kill the guy this turn.
Mister Juan
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 18 2009, 11:27 PM) *
I know that, but I meant are you done with your turn so that I can do mine? Since what you do during your turn could affect what I do during mine, and what I do during mine could retroactively affect what you do.

I suppose I'll just go, operating under the assumption that you lack a way to kill the guy this turn.



@Karoline
I totaly thought that Hawkeye taking cover was your action. I'm sorry I jumped the guns and wrote Dexter's IC.
Thats still what he's going to do tho... playing bait wink.gif So if you want, you can actually use a full turn to aim the shot... since Dexter plans on just running head on for all three IPs.
"Just take the shot kid, and make it count"
SincereAgape
QUOTE (DigitalOYABUN @ Oct 18 2009, 09:54 PM) *
My question for SincereAgape is do you want to jump into matrix rules right away or not? My first action is to seek cover, from there its up to you...physical or matrix preference,


You can jump into the matrix, but it will take you the next IP to perform an action via the matrix.

Thus, Karoline's turn.

PS - I am happy that everyone is vibrant, talking, and playing.

-Ken
pbangarth
Damn it, SincereAgape, I'm getting old.
QUOTE
There was also an Ork present.
How could I miss that?

Hey, Karoline, don't get your knickers in a knot. I too thought diving for cover was your action. Sorry for cutting in on your action.
pbangarth
Oh, DigitalOYABUN, welcome to the party!
Kerenshara
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 18 2009, 09:27 PM) *
Edit: Also, a shell for my weapon weighs at most 50g http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG

Also, as you can see fairly obviously from the youtube video that Mr. J posted earlier, the kick on the weapon isn't all that horrid (Though of course you can't see how accurately the weapon fires) 10kg does a heck of alot to dissipate the recoil from a fired bullet.

Read your own cite again. I did. That's the BULLET weight - i.e. the lead bit. That's exclusive of brass, primer or powder. They don't LIST the whole shell on that site, but there are others and I found an agreed on average of 115g for the complete round.

Now, keep in mind, the weapon in the video doesn't weigh 10 kilos, it weighs 15 kilos, so it's a full 50% heavier... 10 kilos DOES absorb a lot of recoil energy, but the amount of total force compared even to a .420 Magnum is literally an order of magnitude higher, so the Barret (and the equivalent weapon from Accuracy International) relies on a muzzle brake (missing on a silencer-equipped weapon) and a roller-locking bolt plus hydraulics and mechanical springs internal to the weapon to absorb even more energy. It still kicks something fierce, and the soldier in the shot is certainly quite a bit larger than Hawkeye.

The idea of anybody with a native BODy of less than at least a 5 trying to accurately shoulder-fire a 9P/-4 rifle is just a little nutzy, frankly. Ye olde troll can pull the thing off, but they stand 50% taller and weigh 75% more; They have the size and mass to pull things like that off. A large ork could probably manage it as well.

>>EDIT<< Karoline, I'm not worried so much about the game Crunchy BitsTM on this. I just don't want you acting on the idea that this is just a "heavy rifle". It's not; it's an anti-materiel rifle, under the Geneva Conventions. It's huge, unwieldy, unsubtle in the extreme and though the "felt" kick in the shoulder isn't that significantly higher on a braced shot than a .420 Magnum sniper system, the amount of energy in play is VASTLY different and the weapon still has "stability" issues if not properly braced, especially in (game-terms) Semi-Automatic rapid fire. It's about as tall as you when assembled. It may only weigh 24 pounds fully loaded, but that's still an unwieldy piece of equipment. In exchange, you get phenomenal range, unrivaled power and the ability to defeat heavy armor even with normal ammunition. Throw in API (Armor Piercing Incendiary - or ExEx in game terms) and you've got a genuine monster. Don't misunderstand me. Frankly, I'm delighted to have somebody along who has one - it keeps the other side honest and plays baby-assault-cannon in a pinch. And as for recoil, your "personalization" gives you one point, and the weapon had 2 to begin with. The first point is always free. So that means you have 4 effective points of compensation, even "shoulder" firing; I am just suggesting that doing so is... not organic. *grin* In case you missed it, guns are one of my "things". Playing a character who has open contempt for the things is leaving me feel a bit naked, to be honest... especially now. But that's OOC.
pbangarth
Speaking of which, we seem to be a party averaging a rather small stature, physically. I wonder how big that Ork who is present is.
DigitalOYABUN
He doesnt resemble your usual idea of a Hacker.

6'4" 205 lbs

Tall, but not massively built. More like someone at that hieght that works out regularly (its genetic of course, being an Ork). Also he possesses the Human Looking quality
Karoline
Heh, no, didn't use an action with my post, just wanted to have it be something more than 'I dodge'.

Yeah, I also never noticed that Digital Oyabun was on the tarmac at all.

Anyway, looks like my turn is finally up. And yeah, I know that shoulder firing isn't very natural.
DigitalOYABUN
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 19 2009, 06:17 AM) *
Yeah, I also never noticed that Digital Oyabun was on the tarmac at all.


I was the Ork on the tarmac mentioned
Kerenshara
I only figured out you were the ork and not the troll when the troll wound up as a custom paint job all over the side of the van; I didn't figure SincereAgape would splatter a PC before they had the chance to say "hoi" in-character.
Karoline
QUOTE (DigitalOYABUN @ Oct 19 2009, 08:25 AM) *
I was the Ork on the tarmac mentioned


Oh, I thought he was one of the crew the way it was mentioned.
pbangarth
OK, so I'll wait for the results of Hawkeye's shot and then be ready to do my action.
Karoline
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Oct 19 2009, 09:12 AM) *
OK, so I'll wait for the results of Hawkeye's shot and then be ready to do my action.


I think the results of my shot will be *splat* wink.gif
DigitalOYABUN
Unfortunately, if it's who I think it is...."If you strike me down, I'll only become stronger" may be applied. grinbig.gif
pbangarth
Yeah, well if Hodder were a Voodoo Tradition mage, he would have the sniper come to us anyway. *Hobble* *hobble* *drag* eek.gif
Karoline
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Oct 19 2009, 09:32 AM) *
Yeah, well if Hodder were a Voodoo Tradition mage, he would have the sniper come to us anyway. *Hobble* *hobble* *drag* eek.gif


Nothing says that you can't have your spirit possess a dead body, and the way you worded your request, it would do so to get the body to you. Though I suppose your particular tradition would likely make that not be an automatic idea for the spirit. It might possess something else to bring you the body though.
pbangarth
It is a Tradition thing, which is why Hodder said, "...if he still lives when you find him."
DigitalOYABUN
Thuergist?


If so, what about..."I am the resurrection and the....."
Karoline
QUOTE (DigitalOYABUN @ Oct 19 2009, 10:31 AM) *
Unfortunately, if it's who I think it is...."If you strike me down, I'll only become stronger" may be applied. grinbig.gif


I doubt the main guy is out here already trying to snipe us all by himself without any backup. If it is, then we may have just finished the fastest run in the history of ever. You know, unless he has a reaction of like 10 and burns edge to stop Hawkeye's bullet doing to his head what he did to the troll's chest.

That or if Agape allows me to do the DV and armor bypass in one go and the guy is wearing heavy milspec armor.
Karoline
Just an FYI, I made a slight edit to my post, just a sentence or so at the end. Also, I know I basically ignored Pope shaking my shoulders, but I figure that technically shouldn't have happened yet. Don't know if Agape wants us to just edit him doing that out, or if he wants to let Pope time skip a bit (Which I totally don't mind) and I'll modify my post a bit. If Agape does want to timejump, please take 2 dice out of my DP to represent being shaken right before Hawkeye takes her shot (Physically and mentally as she still has some issues with Pope).

Nothing against you or your post Mr. J, just think it will add an extra touch (And I feel ever so slightly bad for potentially taking out Agape's threat in a single turn, then again, Hawkeye is a purpose built sniper, so makes sense that she should kick butt in a sniper battle.)
pbangarth
QUOTE (DigitalOYABUN @ Oct 19 2009, 10:02 AM) *
Thuergist?


If so, what about..."I am the resurrection and the....."


Nope, Qabballist. So possessing homunculi and amulets and plants is good, but possessing dead things is frowned upon. In a pinch the spirit might do it, but Hodder would be pushing things towards Spirit Bane, I think.
pbangarth
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 19 2009, 10:55 AM) *
(And I feel ever so slightly bad for potentially taking out Milk's threat in a single turn, then again, Hawkeye is a purpose built sniper, so makes sense that she should kick butt in a sniper battle.)


"Milk"? Did I miss something else?
Karoline
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Oct 19 2009, 11:33 AM) *
"Milk"? Did I miss something else?


Just a typo, meant Agape. Milk... Agape... so easy to mix up when typing wink.gif
pbangarth
But ... but .... question.gif *brain explodes*
Karoline
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Oct 19 2009, 11:47 AM) *
But ... but .... question.gif *brain explodes*


I'm in a game on the boards with Milk Ducks as a GM, and forgot for a moment which thread I was posting to because I was switching back and forth between that one and this, so got the GMs mixed up.

Totally not revealing a secret plot twist that Agape let slip to me wink.gif
SincereAgape
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 19 2009, 11:35 AM) *
Just a typo, meant Agape. Milk... Agape... so easy to mix up when typing wink.gif


Ah. The classic Freudian slip.

Don't feel bad about taking out the threat. Was actually expecting you to do so.
Karoline
QUOTE (SincereAgape @ Oct 19 2009, 11:56 AM) *
Ah. The classic Freudian slip.

Don't feel bad about taking out the threat. Was actually expecting you to do so.


biggrin.gif

In that case let the slaughter continue wink.gif
Kerenshara
You know, I saw it mentioned that the glass wasn't an obstruction, but you'd be shocked just how hard it is to shoot through an ANGLED plate of glass accurately, even with a very heavy round... That's why Dartha blew the glass.

1) It serves to precisely highlight the target with a dark square hole bracketing the surprised jackass with a rifle.

2) It eliminates glare we'd get from that VERY low-angle sun just coming up over the horizon... remember? The tower's taller than us and has angled glass. You're NOT going to see through it, otherwise I'd have asked SincereAgape for a Perception check and just used Stunbolt to knock them on their ass so Pope can go collect them to... interogate.

3) It eliminates the deflection/barrier provided by airfield safety glass. It's not a lot, but even a die of cover and a couple points of armor can make ALL the difference in the end.

4) It shakes their confidence on some level - it's not always about the Crunchy BitsTM. I always try to remember that "war is fought by men", and that little things like morale, confidence and patience/nerve are actually central to human performance and decision making. Does SincereAgape have to take that into account? No. But does acting like I expect it to give the story a more organic feel and open up the OPTION for the baddies to run? Absolutely.

Anyhow, that's what I was thinking.
Karoline
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Oct 19 2009, 01:48 PM) *
You know, I saw it mentioned that the glass wasn't an obstruction, but you'd be shocked just how hard it is to shoot through an ANGLED plate of glass accurately, even with a very heavy round... That's why Dartha blew the glass.

1) It serves to precisely highlight the target with a dark square hole bracketing the surprised jackass with a rifle.

2) It eliminates glare we'd get from that VERY low-angle sun just coming up over the horizon... remember? The tower's taller than us and has angled glass. You're NOT going to see through it, otherwise I'd have asked SincereAgape for a Perception check and just used Stunbolt to knock them on their ass so Pope can go collect them to... interogate.

3) It eliminates the deflection/barrier provided by airfield safety glass. It's not a lot, but even a die of cover and a couple points of armor can make ALL the difference in the end.

4) It shakes their confidence on some level - it's not always about the Crunchy BitsTM. I always try to remember that "war is fought by men", and that little things like morale, confidence and patience/nerve are actually central to human performance and decision making. Does SincereAgape have to take that into account? No. But does acting like I expect it to give the story a more organic feel and open up the OPTION for the baddies to run? Absolutely.

Anyhow, that's what I was thinking.


Don't know who said that nailing the glass was a bad idea, made Hawkeye's shot easier (As she didn't have to take even more DP penalties to bypass the glass' armor as well), and pulls him out of cover. The lack of cover alone lowers his defense by 4 dice. Also, I don't think Agape ever said if the tower was to the east or west of us (I could just be forgetting), so glare might or might not be a real issue.

Anyway, Agape ever going to post what happens with Hawkeye's bullet?
Kerenshara
You'd be surprised how that odd downward angle will cause glare with ANY light angle, but if it's relatively low, it's insane. Just my experience.

Let's see if you get the slot. I'm worried about the "bypass armor", since that's going to probably cost you 7-9 dice on a guess. They they still get to try to dodge... and spend EDGe I'd bet.
Karoline
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Oct 19 2009, 02:28 PM) *
You'd be surprised how that odd downward angle will cause glare with ANY light angle, but if it's relatively low, it's insane. Just my experience.

Let's see if you get the slot. I'm worried about the "bypass armor", since that's going to probably cost you 7-9 dice on a guess. They they still get to try to dodge... and spend EDGe I'd bet.


I thought you could only spend one edge a turn or something like that. The guy already burned an edge to get the first shot in. Still haven't heard from Agape if he'll do the +DV and -Armor as a single called shot, or if I have to burn extra actions to line it up properly. Honestly I gimped myself a bit by doing the bypass armor thing because I have such a massive -AP on the weapon already. Still, unless he is wearing some sort of milspec armor he is still going to suffer 4 hits, possibly 5 unless he has fairly serious armor. And thankfully you broke his cover (Literally wink.gif ) so he will only have reaction to dodge with unless he wants to burn up his next action doing a full dodge (Which means I get to keep shooting at him). So unless he has backup, or a really massive edge pool to draw on, he isn't likely to manage any more attacks one way or the other.

Edit: Oh, this reminds me, Agape, would it be possible to only bypass part of the armor? Otherwise the armor bypass rule isn't very useful for me because of my big AP bonus. (They'd need heavy milspec armor to have much chance of not taking P damage, and at that point the DP penalty for bypassing it is too huge to be able to make an accurate shot. )
Mister Juan
@Karoline
I'll just take Dexter's IC out and rewrite one wink.gif The mistake is all mine so don't wory about it nyahnyah.gif
Kerenshara
IIRC, you can't use Edge multiple times on the same ROLL, but nothing I remember says 1 per turn.
Mister Juan
@SincereAgape
For the sake of speed, simply disregard the actions I had stated previously for Dexter.
After Hawkeye shoots, he's going to lift himself up to the stairs and duck inside the plane.
His intention is to move aft, towards where the cargo is kept, to get some additional firepower.
I have no idea how long it will take, so I'll break down his actions like so:
Free Action: Run (inside the plane and towards where the cargo is kept)
Simple Action: Use Simple Object (opening whatever door he might need)
Simple Action: Observe in Detail (trying to see where is kit bag is)
Kerenshara
SincereAgape has been pretty busy with IRL stuff as well as a PnP game that he ran the other night. I'm sure he'll get back to us when he's recharged and has a spare second.
Karoline
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Oct 19 2009, 04:21 PM) *
SincereAgape has been pretty busy with IRL stuff as well as a PnP game that he ran the other night. I'm sure he'll get back to us when he's recharged and has a spare second.

That whole 'having a life' thing always seems to get in the way of the game wink.gif

Hope you had fun with the PnP game Agape.
Kerenshara
I won't repeat what he said when I asked him just that.
SincereAgape
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 19 2009, 06:11 PM) *
That whole 'having a life' thing always seems to get in the way of the game wink.gif

Hope you had fun with the PnP game Agape.


Thanks Karoline. Appreciate. We have a really good table in North Jersey. Actually two. I can't complain about any of the PCs at the Pencil and Paper game. I thought i could have done better as a GM, but that is just my flaw of wanting to hit a home run each time I bat instead of hitting a single to advance the runners.

I'll have a DOTA post up soon. Today was a really exhausting day at work, came back home took a power nap, skipped the gym (Was that tired), and then did some light RP for the NETAE story.

There are a lot of questions for my to digest about the campaign, and I didn't have the mental fortitude today to answer them.

That being said. You guys rock, and I can imagine our table being very alive, loud, energetic, and filled with laughter inbetween all of the debates smile.gif

-Hope everyone is doing well.
Kerenshara
Ok, since we're talking cross-table here, what are the rules on marshmallow guns? A round powdered sugar ring on somebody's forehead just sends a message that NerfTM guns just can't...
Kerenshara
Wow, this must be one of those "bullet-time" things, y'know? Where everything crawls to a near-standstill while we all watch the bullet move in slo-mo towards the target?
pbangarth
I could ask my spirits to speed up the bullet with their Movement power. wobble.gif
Karoline
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Oct 20 2009, 10:42 AM) *
Wow, this must be one of those "bullet-time" things, y'know? Where everything crawls to a near-standstill while we all watch the bullet move in slo-mo towards the target?


I've been thinking that for a while wink.gif

I can see it now, Hawkeye aiming her rifle, and then the silenced shot pulsing out slowly, the bullet creating an air ripple around it as it cracks through the air at super sonic speeds. The camera does a revolution or two of it, then puts itself at the proper angle so that you can't really tell if it is on target or not once the bad guy is put into frame. With a side view that lacks depth perception, it looks like the bullet is about an inch from going through the guy's head, but then it pauses, waiting a moment before turning the camera and starting back at full speed up to reveal if the shot was true or not.
Kerenshara
Now, what do we do if you miss?

Let's say, the moron has 10 armor you're trying to bypass, that's three hits down.

And dodging what's left isn't IMPOSSIBLE...

Just saying.
Karoline
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Oct 20 2009, 01:04 PM) *
Now, what do we do if you miss?

Let's say, the moron has 10 armor you're trying to bypass, that's three hits down.

And dodging what's left isn't IMPOSSIBLE...

Just saying.


Then I kill him next turn wink.gif

But yeah, I could be dropped down to only a few hits, but even getting 3 hits isn't exactly going to be easy for him, especially if he doesn't burn edge or do a full dodge. I'm still waiting on a few rules questions from Agape before I plan what I would do next turn, but it will likely involve two shots being taken to make sure he goes down (And as an added bonus, he'd be at -1 and -2 to dodge those shots)

Right now I'm just glad he doesn't get that +4 dodge from cover any more thanks to you taking out the glass.
pbangarth
When Hodder gets a chance to act, he will try to Levitate the rifle out of the guys hands. Even if the assailant hangs on, his aim will be disrupted by a sustained pull up and away from us. While he is dealing with that, Hodder's Fire Spirit will arrive in the tower and do what it can to bring the guy to Hodder. Most direct route is likely to possess him and just walk out.

If we didn't have options, then obviously blowing the guy away would be great. But what if we could interrogate him to find out why he is shooting at us? Who sent him? Is there a third party involved in all this? I believe we have at least one good interrogator among us, no? grinbig.gif

Not that it would have changed Hodder's decision, but it just struck me that the spirit range for Hodder is likely based just on the magician part of his Magic Attribute, which is 2 out of the total 5. So once the bound Fire Spirit zips off on its next action to get the guy , it will constitute a remote service and use up all the remaining services the Fire Spirit owes Hodder. *sigh*

Painful lessons are the ones that stick best. Mystic adept, not magician. 200 metres, not 500 metres.
Karoline
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Oct 20 2009, 02:00 PM) *
If we didn't have options, then obviously blowing the guy away would be great. But what if we could interrogate him to find out why he is shooting at us? Who sent him? Is there a third party involved in all this? I believe we have at least one good interrogator among us, no? grinbig.gif


You should mention the "Keep the enemy alive for interrogation." thing before Hawkeye attempts to turn his head into crunchy bits. Shooting off an arm or two is totally an option.
pbangarth
It's too late for the first shot. We are all watching it in slo-mo. Hodder spoke his instruction to the spirit into the communications channel so others would know what he was doing. He didn't have time to give a long-winded explanation of his action, and so the underlying reason didn't make it through. Life's like that.

I figure SincereAgape is giving us time here to plan our next actions in detail.
Chrysalis
Vera writes a constitution, packs and unpacks all the bags and runs around the van.
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