Ok, this is probably just silly...

Since we now have those wonderful sexual implants in augmentations, I wondered what use can be made of them except for flavour...

And by flavour, I mean... that this is wonderful... We always had them in Cyberpunk and it added a nice touch to the universe...

So... now that we have them... why not put them to the use...

Can you hack into a sexual implant? Why Not?! But what *IS* the ugliest/funniest thing you can do with that?

Just imagine the possibilities:

Hrmmm... Mr. Johnson, are you *that* happy to see me or is it a banana in your pocket?

...

Beside, do sexual implants have built-in memory like other implants do? Probably!

Hey, Can I store this file into my [insert body part here] ?

"We'll have to interface if you want to accept my download."
"Well, you'd better have run a scan beforehand, last time I caught a virus."

This calls for a giant trout response... *THWACK*

Now that's taken care of, by definition, yes you can hack the device. All normal rules for hacking cyberware would apply. I think that most individuals who have an implant like this would probably have the wireless systems disabled. DNI sounds like it'd be perfect for this implant. Of course, in a Bunraku parlor, they may leave the wireless function activated and even give control to the client.

All electronic devices have built-in memory. Abiding by previous measures, such as wireless connectivity etc, downloading your paydata into a specific piece of cyberware should be fine.

<wireless_music_cue>"All night long..."

All cyberware should have theme music.

My signal rating increases depending on how happy I am.

A couple years (and alot of maturity) ago me and my friends started talking and somehow we came up with the iDick and iGina. Media storage device, and never be without your favorite sexual tunes. Comes with built in speakers complete with heavy bass levels for the music you really want to feel. I think our favorite "theme song" was "The Final Countdown" by Europe. Also "Beat It" by Michael Jackson, "Push It" by Salt N' Peppa, and of "Like a Virgin" by Madonna.

Chris

Oh great, hacking INTO a penis. That's a whole new level of Freudian nightmares right there for you.

Must be a totally new variation of Matrix Addiction.

Well, you can only imagine the trouble with technomancers.

"Bobby, I know you're upset but you need to turn daddy's wee-wee back on. Or at least stop jamming my vibrator. Mommy needs her mental variable speed control."

Great, now I feel REALLY embarrassed about having a 2nd edition DECKER. I can't even get in on the game here, with my outdated equipment!

But my deck has hardening.

Well to be honest I'm gonna use this to create the "Nadja Daviar" virus. Just you guess what it's gonna do to infected breast implants...

Edit: On topic: The nastiest thing I could think about would be to abuse the fact that sexual implants in most cases will also handle the disposal of liquid waste. There's nothing more embarassing than a security guard who wets himself on command.

So you hacked into you ex's genetali. You ...
... program a Marquee with embarassing messages. (Ie, a penis scrolling "princess")
... program an automatic response tied to another piece of gear or a specific time (ie, everyday at 2:30 pm or during meetings scheduled in cybercomlink, breasts fully deflate/inflate)
... program it to play music of your choice
... program it to route all area spam
... password protect all functions
... tie it into audio cyber and make it voice activated.
... use it to bounce your signal whenever you hack government secure servers

Anyone ever read the comic strip "Click" that was in Penthouse a while back? It was about a woman whose libido was controlled by someone who had a remote control. What if someone who didn't like you at all, unknown to you but nearby, could control how "happy" you got at the most inappropriate times .

Or unhappy at the appropriate ones.

Chris

Doctor Funkenstein must be rolling over in his grave right now.

I just see it, along with some of the other material in the source books (powerline for example) as a sign that SR4 is designed for a more 'mature' audience.

One could make the argument that the inclusion of cyber-penii is a sign the game is headed in a less mature direction. Of course, that's why nobody likes One all that much. In the end, its all in the interpretation.

It seems like today, drugs have taken the place of implants and prostheses. Assuming these drugs are safe, cheap and reliable, in what situation (other than, ahem, dismemberment) would a cybernetic penis offer that much of a benefit.

Also, it seems like there would be some loss of sensation with cyberlimbs. Now, for bunraku parlor workers, that might be an argument for rather than against, but it still seems like another reason that most people would rather keep their natural equipment. (Or go with bioware enhancements.)

with shadowrun's simsense tech, there is no loss of sensation in cyberlimbs imo (unless you choose to turn it off).

in any case, even if drugs are the method of choice today, i wouldn't be surprised to see that just about any drug you can name has lots of negative side effects.

Actually there would be no loss of sensation in cyberlimbs. In fact, you could probably crank it to 11 or something.

Geez, cyber-penis cranked to 11. That's just scary.

Reason #1 I see cybergenitalia not really being preferred:

Surgeries don't always go right.

It would, well...Suck if you had your natural penis lopped off and exchanged for a cybernetic model...And found out it doesn't work.

Also: Are you still fertile with the cybernetic version?

FYI a sex change operation/bioscupt, if female you get a non cybernetic male wonder, also you can chose to be both sexes too, so again you can get a non cybernetic male wonder.

So you can truly be called "Bi Sexual".

WMS

Wouldn't that be Buy Sexual?

The point about simsense just raises another question. If simsense gives you the same experience as actual sex, why bother with a physical penis at all? To quote Dennis Miller before he went crazy, the day a steelworker in Pittsburgh can come home, turn on his tv and have sex with Claudia Schiffer, its going to make crack look like Sanka.

From that perspective, why have Bunraku parlors at all? For those you have to build a client base of people who want to sexually victimize people (which I'm not saying you couldn't drum up in 2070 or even today, just who'd want to) and you'd have all the attendant problems of disease, illegality and violence. Customers aren't really coming-- err, showing up for the sensation of sex because that can be purchased safely and cheaply in chip form. They're showing up because they find sex more fun when it degrades or hurts someone. That's pretty grim.

The other tack would be to say that simsense sex (simsex?) is close, but its not quite the real thing. Bunraku parlors are still grim, but at least the drives that keep them in business are primarily sexual rather than sadistic.

I could see more bioware mods for genitalia than cyberware, although that still assumes that surgeries cause no nerve damage at all and the surgeons never make mistakes. (A guy gets a malfunctioning biowang and I'm guessing he's got a hell of a malpractice case going.) If people can make money selling sham miracle drugs to make your wang better, stronger, bigger and more productive, then it makes sense someone could make money doing the same thing with surgeries and implants that actually work. But it seems like those surgeries or implants would have to correct some sort of defect or damage (even if its just psychological).

Cyberlimbs have always seemed like too much trouble in SR anyway, since if you lose an arm it seems like you're almost always better off going with a meat replacement since its usually cheaper and you don't lose essence. Same thing with the cyberwang. A guy loses his jimmy in a freak paper-shredder accident, it seems like he'd just get a clonal replacement grown (or go down to the local organ-legger and pick something compatible of the rack).

Now, one cool thing you can do with a cyberarm is pack it with cool toys, but that seems like less of a selling point with the 'wang. I mean, the idea of a heavy pistol cybergun (okay, a hold-out) and an autopicker down there is pretty humorous, but its not something I see being sold in mainstream UCAS. (Although it could lead to an interesting Phil Spector-like trial.)

Actually, I never read Count Zero, although I think I read Burning Chrome. I at least started it. Cyberpunk and fantasy fiction are two things I never got much into, which is odd because I'm a huge gamer and geek. Go figure.

I'll accept that people are inherently illogical and therefore no logical reason needs to exist for cyberwangs.

But my point re: the existance of Bunraku parlors was not why have puppet-whores, but why have whorehouses at all if the simsense experience is equal to sex? I mean, people would still have sex for procreation or to forge an emotional and physical connection with another human being, but that's not really what drives the prostitution economy. If the physical sensation is the same whether it is live or Memorex, then something else is driving the Bunraku-urge. Not just the pleasure the customer derives, but that he or she (hell, let's be as open minded as possible here) is deriving it at the expense of another human being (or goat).

Lap dances are more fun when the stripper is crying.

Edit: The cybergun-penis is funny, but I still think the autopicker is better. Imagine how the police report is going to read on that one.

I wonder if you can get a public indecency change to stick if the guy has his cyber penis out?

And somewhere in one of the books it says that simsense sex is very popular. But it isn't interactive. The user is just along for the ride, not actually able to alter things.

Maybe with a SOTA agent with some weird skill softs and a large database to draw on it could be possible.

I would suggest reading Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis - not only does it give another spin on the cyberpunk genre (though some might argue that it's not strictly cyberpunk) but it also brings home exactly how and where that 'ware was made. For instance:

"Matteo bought himself a new set of genitals today. He's very proud of them. They were made by an Uraguayan firm know for the reliability and sensitivity of their product. They're also known for having their products built by children working in dangerous conditions earning less than a dollar a month, but that doesn't bother Matteo. Oh no. Matteo's got the genitals he always wanted now. They're just like the genitals he used to have. Only with a minidisc player."

If the surgical tech got better and cheaper, then I suspect that many guys would find that a larger penis doesn't get them as much benefit as they expected. There may be some straight women whose interest in a second date is based on size, but many whose interest is based more on whether the guy started gently and cuddled afterwards.

Skillsofts, on the other hand...

But I digress. If *both* (or "all") people involved have cyberenhancements, then do the augmentations subscribe to each other's nodes? Modems have a "handshake" algorithym to make sure they're both at the same connection speed; does 'ware do the same, in cycles per second? Would you subscribe to the other person's biomonitor, to check, um, when they're ready to go a little further? If so, then hurray, except how badly that could be hacked.

For one thing, "Hey, I got lucky with So-and-so!" - "Oh yeah? Your ware's activity log doesn't show a record of that transaction. In fact, you have no new user logins in the last month."

Hacker sees that Mr. Target is ready to get risky with Mrs Target
Mr Target gets frisky and Mrs Target decides that she'll finish her knitting later
Just when it's getting good, hacker causes Mr Target to "power down"
Mrs Target doesn't want things to stop, so she tries something she read about in "Cosmopolitan"'s compendium "1001 Ways to Drive Your Man Wild"; no dice
Frustrated and embarrassed, she gives up and starts to put her clothes back on
Hacker then puts Mr Target on overdrive
Mrs Target, unsure whether to be annoyed or grateful, tries to get back in the mood
Hacker issues another Virtual Cold Shower command
Repeat until divorce papers are filed
Hacker signals Mr. Johnson that Mr. Target's controlling share of stock in NERP-Co is now in legal dispute, and Mr. Target's dice pool of INT + Corporate Politics will take a large penalty the next day due to tiredness and stress. Mr. Johnson's lawyers and leveraged buyout specialists move in for the corporate kill. Mr. Johnson becomes the new Chair of the Board, and pays Hacker in NERPs.

Getting old-school, check out the short story "Dogfight" by Michael Swanwick and William Gibson, in which

Depending on how hackable cyber genitals are, I could see companies and punks really abusing the systems. Hang with me on this a minute.

Mr. Smith goes shopping to get some nice lingerie for Mrs. Smith. He walks in to Victoria's Not-So-Secret, his commlink handshakes with the store computer. Now the store knows his name, address, credit score, and whatever personal data he leaves accessible on the link. So, it calls him by name and directs him into the store to the section of teddies. When he looks at one for more than 30 seconds, the store computer feeds a little command into his commlink, hoping to bypass his security and activate his cyberpenis to "power up", thus maybe making the customer think that he would love to see his girl in this outfit.

Or how about some punk technomancer causing a random activation/deactivation virus in the controller software, maybe centered around passing a particular street corner, or while passing a billboard showing a buff guy (or gal).

Or some businessman getting ready to go on a week long "business" trip to Vegas, whose wife has a hacker rig up an encoded "deactivate cyberwear" program, with her holding the reactivate code until he comes back home. The cyber version of a chastity belt.

Going back for a moment to cyberlimb simsense, I can buy that for game purposes, the amount of feeling in a cyberlimb is comparable to a real limb. If you get hit or the arm gets set on fire, sensors will let you know. But I have to stop short of accepting the notion that the sensation is "equal" to the feeling of a real arm. The cyberarm won't be ticklish or have the occasional itch. (An interesting point with phantom limb syndrome would be for a guy to "feel" his missing arm itching, but scratching the cyberlimb to be fruitless since the sensation isn't in the limb.)A cyberarm could be programmed to mimic those sensations of the occasional itch or a yawning stretch, but it should on some level be recognizable as mimicry.

Granted, this is largely part of the fluff. I'm not advocating that cyberware should have penalties associated with it because of a loss of sensation or anything like that. In fact, having pain sensors that can be shut off or ignored can be seen as a pretty powerful advantage (even if it likewise carries no real mechanical benefit).

A lot of this was covered originally in Cybertechnology, that cyberware should have dissociative aspects. This dovetails nicely with the "Is SR Cyberpunk" thread currently going, because this idea has always been a big part of the fiction, whether its Humanity Loss or Cyberpsychosis. Giving up parts of your body to the machine is to give up part of your essential humanity. Nowhere is this more literal than in SR, where you have Essence written right on the character sheet.

Edit: Actually, apollo124, that's a very good point about cyberwangs being able to enforce or prove physical fidelity (although with VR and hotsim and simsense, I imagine that "emotional affairs" in 2070 will a significant problem for marriages as well). Likewise, cyberwangs could be implanted in sex offenders so that they can only be aroused by acceptable stimuli.

Ok, lets go completely overboard here.

10 people having group sex
All have simrig and sim module
All have a commlink
All DNI connected
Everyone have their sim modules subscribed to EVERYONES simrig

1 person orgasms and ALL feel it.

Then someone casts an area effect orgasm spell…

.. and everyone explodes.

For some reason that associates with that disturbing hotel rape scene from Strange Days for me

Isn't the real question just if you can forcibly redline someone's cyberwang?