*shrug* Its been over a decade, I really don't recall the origin of the device. I do know that once we finally managed to score one, we abused the heck out of it as an interrogation tool.



Who said anything about full VR? The device was designed to manipulate sense tracks in real time. You could still control your body - or at least put it on "automatic" - while you're experiencing other sense tracks.



Its not, particularly.

Except that this device allowed for cheap, easy BTL production by anyone who could get their hands on a cheap editting deck. The resulting BTL explosion was a huge, huge problem for the city and became a major sub-plot for over an in-game year.



I don't disagree on any particular point in this bit here. Most people, even in the future, probably aren't really into tentacle sex, especially when dikote is involved. And, that's okay as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, I was just recounting my group's experience with a device that was supposed to be nice and fairly vanilla, but went wildly astray because the creators didn't expect people to be as, well. awful as they are.

Well, complete sensory input IS essentially full VR. Use that without RAS override and you are damn totally disoriented and unable to do anything coherently, including fucking your mate of choice.


Sure, I can see that, especially the hellish possibilities for torture it opens up.

Dikote?
That's just plain sick.

You need to read the Japanese version. I'm pretty sure it ain't VR. I'm pretty sure she wakes up after they're done. Actually thinking back, I may be wrong. Ah well. Still, it could've been in AR!

Umh.

1) No, couldn't be done in AR. People cannot just fly around in AR. AR doesn't make you superman. Even IF you happen to be Major Kusanagi.

2)So while waiting for Motoko to come back from her sexfest at the Marshal islands, Bateau and Aramaki spent close to a week sitting in those little bushes and sneaking up on that suspected puppet master? Hardly.

That's is brilliant! I am so glad you posted that!

Back on topic, someone made a comment earlier that Joe and Jane wageslave probably aren't interested in tentacle sex. Well perhaps they aren't, but there seems to be a large segment of Shadowrun society that wants for no material good or service. My impression is that such a condition breeds a restless desire for more. And when you have endless perfect sex on tap, an awful lot of people are going to keep on craving that early excitement they remember. This being Shadowrun, and the wageslaves being raised in a culture of ultimate materialism and self-gratification, they wont be seeking that more powerful feeling through the medium of love or tenderness. They'll want the fifty-two partners and the cyber-dick girlfriend. It's the Roman Empire syndrome, I'm afraid, and it brings us straight back to the only taboo being ordinariness. I see SR2070 being the world in which girls don the trodenet so they can record the feeling of their first time, parents hiring expert lovers to make it as special as possible for her, guys hiring lovers as casually as we go to the gym and sometimes for the same reasons, insistence on monogamy being cited in divorce cases, sex being traded casually for money or favours amongst everyday people and only the poor and the SINless, cowering in the Barrens knowing what it feels like to have sex with someone who really, actually needs you.

But then I've always been a romantic.

Two words: Vibrating Penis. You could even subscribe it to your partners comlink so that they get some control in the experience.

And for those that think a Dwarf can't take a troll need to look into into some internet porn more deeply. Do a google search on "large insertions" Lets not forget that orks give birth to litters and humans have twins and triplets. The vagina is a magical and resilient creature.

I went ahead and fixed that for you.

The thing about sex in SR4 that I've noticed is that a deck with simsense is less than a month's rent for a squatter. Given that VR can indulge any and all fantasies, completely safely and with no risk of complications (well, beyond tracing the user and blackmailing them, an equal problem in real relationships) I wonder how anyone has kids any more. If it weren't for orks too poor to squat breeding by the litter, would there be children at all?

Imagine what totally consequence free VR sex would do to the dating scene for the average Joe or Jane. Even if you actually went out to a bar to try to meet (meat...) girls or boys, who is going to bother to go home with you when they could just log on, right there on the barstool, and head off to some (virtual) exotic location for completely risk free sex without even knowing your name. And that's if you bothered to go out at all, rather than logging on to the VR equivalent of adult friend finder. Or paying the cost of a fancy meal for a completely customizable virtual partner.

It seems to me that only people who feel some need to form a "real metahuman connection" would even date -- and since the only thing those types of relationships are likely to offer over the ones presented above is drama and confusion, you can pretty much count on most "meat daters" to be at least a little bit nuts.

What would counteract that (besides being rich enough to carry out your every whim and fantasy in realspace)? Peer pressure? Would it somehow be more socially acceptable to sneak off into the broom closet with the secretary rather than load up BLONDE_SEC_13.2 on your break?

Also, let's not forget about astral sex. I mean, sensations are real when you're astrally projecting, even if they are "different." I'm sure you can't "get physical" on the astral, but I'd sure bet you could get freaky. Or at least sensual. And let's not get in to crazy metaplaner quests to the plane of pleasure. Or the plane of S&M.

VR and AR overlap the way I see it. You can project your VR avatar in AR. Where does it compare the time Batou spent in the bushes to how long Motoko was on the boat? To be honest it is somewhat ambiguous, and I feel that it could be accomplished in AR (in fact I would like to think of it as AR), however, I will agree that it was a VR scene.

Funny idea.


Two words: perineal rupture. And no, that's rather unpleasant.


Um ... yeah ... but if she waqs on that boat anyway, why project? Motoko is weird, but that weird?


Motoko on a boat somewhere tropical (the place she works in isn't remotely tropical) would need to move back to Newport City, whih would take time, no matter how leet she is. Since the Chief and Bateau and their goon squad were trailing the Puppet Master while Bateau wanted Motoko to do something, they'd have to wait that time until they could strike (provided their cunning plan included Motoko going in and killing everybody, like usually; i've forgotten whether she moved in witrh the forces or not).

...I just want Machine Gun Juggies baby!

Hi, just came over from the Bunraku thread. Hhmm, the subject is sexual oddities in SR. Well contrary to what the media would have you believe. The majority of people out there are perfectly happy with just one person who they can live there life with. But we are not talking about them. Sexual deviancy usually comes from experiences at a persons developing age. "First experience is the lasting experience". With AR and VR so readily available I don't think people will be "shocked" by subtle exhibitionism but it would be socially faux pas. Remember religion has found a new upswing since the beginning of the sixth world and it will be more than willing to point out certain immoral behavior. Interracial sex will probably dominate the list of sexual oddities. In my game the running joke is the trideo “Elf chicks can take it 13� followed by “Dwarf chicks can take it 4�. Cyber ware and bio ware takes second. Although it may have calmed down with new remakes of trideo “Guess who is coming to dinner�. The year of the comet and the changelings that followed would put social acceptance of the practice back a few more years. Hyperthropic genitals and mammary glands are easy enough and probably can be toned down when socially necessary. Also obvious cyber ware would take on a certain sexually appeal. My personal favorite is the cyber foot with built in heels that raises or lowers. Oh, and the troll likes dermal plates with boobies. The tactile enhancers would see a lot of sales in the mass market. As for the furies, transgenetics is still expensive, but I could see “social clubs� forming. Where the members paid a certain amount to some girl or girls (who is into the ideal) for her transgenetic surgery. With BTLs and other mind warping wiring it is not about the physical acts of sex. It is all about CONTROL of another person. As an old friend of mine (who was in the rough trade) would say. “There are only so many holes to stick it in. Mental sex is infinite�. This is part of the appeal of celebrity BTLs, to be able to have sex with somebody who would not do it with you. I personally would love to try synaesthesia, I have always wondered what an orgasm looked or sounded like. Certain perversions, no matter how jaded the culture became would still be taboo and a crime. All the stuff we hear about rampant orgies, pedophiles and incest from the Roman Empire was used as political weapons. Not a description of common or excepted behavior. So yes, Lone Star will still have their moments of PR busting kiddie-porn rings or long court battles of the legality of “sex with sasquatch�. The subject of sex, magic and deviancy, where to begin? Being different than most people is already a strike against a normal sex life. Being able to see your partner astrally while having sex with them is a sure blow against it. I mean think about it. Everybody lies about sex sometime in there life. Knowing that your partner faked it or knowing what makes them “burst with color� is definitely going to change a person’s feelings about having sex with somebody. The subject of sex with spirits more than likely would be compared to masturbation by hermetic traditions. Shamanistic traditions might included it with there rituals. Part of the “communing with nature� excuse. Well, that is my two nuyens worth.

Dr. Evil
“Scary ain’t it�

Sorry to disappoint, but canonically sex organs in SR do not scale with metatype. This is shown in the fact that canonically all metatypes can successfully interbreed, without technological assistance.

To pre stall the inevitable denaials, I ask all those about to disagree with me to google the data on the sex organs of an orangatan. (the creature is half again as large as a human and has much smaller sex organs) sorry people.

THE CAKE IS A LIE!

about people no longer having normal relationships/children, I think you can safely project the actual situation (natality going down, couple having less and less children) simply worsening...

But this would be kinda balanced by the more poorer part of the population having way more children than the average (by lack of access to said sex technologies and/or to profit for the social welfare).

On the other hand, the brain formattin... I mean the social environment of the wageslaves by the corporation would most likely be very insistent on the importance of family and having many children would certainly be highly encouraged:
It gives the corp access to nice new drones to be educated from scratch without the disadvantage of employee occupied with actual parenting (as, except for the actual damn biological unavoidable pregnancy, most of the actual raising would be done by the corp itself in some kind of factory fashion where efficiency is the key. And the better is that it would be presented as some kind of costly safe and sane nursing to the parents who wouldn't mind having a slight pay cut to compensate for it).

Your corporation love you! Your children are our best asset!
Let us brainwash them to death or make jarhead out of them for a happy shiny profitable future!


Ha, delicious dystopia...

A turkey baster is hardly technological (Object Resistance 2 at most). Really, though, as long as a troll's dong is not bigger than a baby it could conceivably fit (pardon the pun). And if that baby is a troll with a big skull (and horns, yeesh), well, C-section, I guess.



Well, the female orangutan is about 1/2 the size of the male, so, you know, they're different. Sexual size dimorphism in trolls is, I think, not that extreme. Er, I mean, not that extream, d00d!!!1!

Nah. There really is no need to move things around. You just have to go slow and practice. And I say this because I've seen enough fisting porn to know that it is possible for a human male to take three female forearms up to the elbow simultaneously and enjoy it.

But, really, you're thinking small here.
Digestive Expansion + Digester Endosont + Toxin Extractor 6 + Nephritic Screen 4 + Pathogenic Defense 6 + Coprophilia = WIN.

There exists today something called a human toilet fetish, in which a submissive partner consumes the waste of the dominate partner. In the most extreme forms of this fetish, this is the human toilet's only form of nourishment. The submissive partner may even spend long periods of time locked into an apparatus to facilitate this with no way to get out. This is impractical, impossible really, both due to the risk of disease and the simple fact that the human digestive system can't process feces. However, the bioware listed above perfectly allows a person to indulge this fetish without risk of disease or malnourishment. Either Nicitating Membranes or Eye Covers can be used can be used to avoid the problems associated with splashing into the eyes.

Imagine for a moment that you walk into the restroom of a posh fetish club and find that instead of toilets there is a lovely young lady or young man kneeling in every stall. Now imagine that you work at that fetish club and it is your job to kneel in one of those stalls for eight hours. Hell, even if you aren't a coprophiliac you can just AR stream some simsense so that it tastes like fine Dutch chocolate.

This setup is also very useful when lost in a barren wilderness with a limited food supply, especially if with a group that doesn't have such augmentations.

Character concept: Mystery pornomancer

He takes over a body of a wageslave and goes on a sexual voyage of depravity, until he is stopped by Lonestar, corp. security or his heart implodes. Exploits are sold as jacked up BTLs.

How much depravity can you get on in 30 minutes with a silent team to help out if things go boring, such as stabbing him with an epipen full of combat drugs, or then leading him to hijack a bus full of catholic schoolboys.

Another idea: 30 people of all types each loaded with simrigs on a commuter train, a phermone and a DMSO cocktail is pumped into the car. 30 people each simming indinvidually or then you can jack into all 30 at the same time.

You can download them off the Matrix, most of the time they are even sent out as edited viral videos, but out there are certainly th genuine BTL versions that will kill most people barely through the introduction.

Just some quick thoughts.

I can't think of a single mammal species that is normally born with horns. There may well be a couple, but as a pretty consistent rule, babies don't begin to grow horns until after they're born.
Doesn't solve the big head thing.
Hey, doesn't the SR2 core book describe the normal % of mother's weight for each metatypes' babies? I thought that was in the race section, where it was describing how many teeth they all had.

Hyz, have I ever mentioned that sometimes you frighten me just a little bit?

Chris

Oh, good, I'm not alone (in being a little bit frightened of Hyz, that is)

I thought I was getting into the "icky" territory with the bestiality stuff... that's NOTHING compared to the "Human Toilet" insanity! I have NO clue on how someone can get off with consuming the waste of another.

This whole topic has been interesting, insightful, and frequently disturbing, but I guess with the crazy advances in body modifications, you can only imagine pr0n will be leading the charge.

Gang: New Model Sexual Army
Affiliation: Unknown
Purpose: To bring love to people around the world
Insanity level: Psychopathic with a sense of humour

Description:

New Model Sexual Army has embraced body modification in a way that is both traditional and disorienting for others. Their philosophy of turning the average to the beautiful is based upon the idea that money should be no object for being able to turn out works of art back on to the street.

Often random, avergae people are kidnapped from malls and even street corners. They disappear for sometimes days, other times for months finding themselves on the street curb disoriented and confused.

Some discover themselves to be a different race, gender, or something in-between. They also discover that they have traits and personality adjustments that have happened to them, changing the irate, male mid 40's office cubicle worker, to a sultry elvish woman in her supposed twenties who finds herself hanging outside of young men's apartments.

Sometimes they literally start to fall apart, some last on the street days. Others end up living on them as they cannot believe that the person is who they say they are anymore. occasionally such failures or successes have their cavities loaded up with explosives and feel compelled to walk into such places that New Model Sexual Army consider against their agenda.

for arguments sake, where is this meta info mentioned?

Also not to be picky but I haven't not known of orangutans that are half again as big as an average human. Did you maybe mean silver back gorillas? I've heard they have small equipment compared to their size. Of course look at a horse, theirs is huge for their size, some dogs have various sizes. Then there are pigs. Theirs are shaped like corkscrews.

I grew up on a farm. You saw a lot of things you wished you hadn't.

Yes, um..I am really glad I read the first paragraph of Hyz's last one well after I had eaten. He IS rather...disturbing at times, isn't he?

Of course, then again, Chrysalis is also a bit disturbing at times...but, hey, at least her disturbing is because "I can so see people doing that", not because of the imagery that Hyz brings up...

Put another way: Hyz is disturbing for the shock value, Chrysalis is disturbing for her seemingly intuitive understanding of the dystopian setting we all love

For some reason, hyz's doesn't disturb me as much because I know there are actually people out there today who are into such stuff. I'm more shaken by some of the extremes of a 24/7 SM-relationship.
I got the idea for something really sick but I take this thread isn't "Post the sickest sexual perversion you can think of" and I also don't know how the mods would feel about it so I keep it at that.

If you can relate it to Shadowrun (how cyber/bioware would affect what you're thinking about), then the moderators don't care. Here is the exact quote from The Dunner:




To me this means that if you can tie it into Shadowrun... have at it... just warn us poor slots if what you're going to discuss is REALLY bad... maybe use the spoiler tags to hide the info.

well, for a start SR3 p47 the answer to the question "Can we have babies together." black and white, and no mention of IVF or turkey basters

Thats cuz Chrysalis is crazy like that.

24/7 BDSM relationships and TPE occur in the real world today(consensually), not to mention kidnapping and white slavery, which is non consentual. If this is accomplished now, with whips, food denial, beatings, and the like, just imagine how easy it would be with cyberware/bioware, personality overlays, and kink bombs! Yowch. The possibilities are worrisome.

Not to mention, you can take ANYONE, body mod them into a hot *insert preferred gender* and overlay whatever personality onto them you like. I can only imagine some hopelessly submissive person being the personality overlay for hundreds or thousands of sex slaves the world over.

OK, I'll post it...


Don't blame me. Blame the Something Awful Forums for rotting my mind.

That's a scary thought Trolls.

On a lighter note the character I'm currently playing is a dwarven face with tailored pheromones, a penile implant, and a Kama Sutra (3) Active Soft Debating if he'll invest in a sythacardium when he has the money.

There are three schools of motivation on the subject. The first is that disgusting is sexy. Some people just get off on the taboo grossness of it all. The second is that it is a very intimate act that can enhance the bond between partners. The third is that it is the ultimate act of submission short of voluntary cannibalism and voluntary snuff. Often, it is a combination of the three. The total devotion to one's master extends into a total devotion to everything that comes from one's master, including waste, consuming it is an intimate bonding act that simultaneously shows devotion and is sexily disgusting and degrading.



The human furniture fetish suffers the same problem in the Sixth World that it does in the Fifth, the human body responds poorly to remaining in a single position for very long periods of time. Injuries caused by immobility can quickly lead to infection and death. Pressure sores are bad. Ischemia is worse. Both are very likely in a piece of permanent human furniture, the latter due to compromised blood flow and the former due to gravity and the furniture's own mass. There also tends to be a risk of smothering in some positions. In particular, if an immobile person regurgitates the vomit may be aspirated, resulting in death due to asphyxiation.

Generally, responsible doms let their human furniture change positions after a set period of time and keep a very close eye on them to make sure that they're alright. This isn't something that a dominant can reliably do 24/7 so the furniture has to be released sometime. And let us not forget the need to pee and poop. Between the urine, the feces, and the stench of necrotic flesh, permanent human furniture is extremely messy and doesn't last very long.

Human pets, on the other hand, are great. There is also a heavy amount of customization available, from a simple slave p-fix with kittenish tendencies and nekomimi ears to a full blown animal p-fix with total limb replacements to give the pet paws or hooves, some facial modifications to provide a snout, a full coat of fur, and the rest of the works such that your human pet is indistinguishable from a member of the species that it mimics. The p-fix takes care of the toilet training.

I would say go for it... what's a guy to do if he doesn't have the endurance to keep up with his ladies?




Unless of course you make it so that the furniture is really a drone body. The drone (with the right software) can move the person around to different parts of the house and can deal with any waste (have connections to evacuate the waste into clean containers... which the drone empties at night). Nanosymbiotes can be used to keep the victim's body in good shape and the drone can move/massage the body to prevent all of the sores from forming.




This can also be used to protect the "master" by having built in weapons (cyberspurs and whatnot). "Beautiful" and deadly at the same time.

To keep yourself safe, only have a datajack so you can "upgrade" the programming. ALL other cyberware would have it's wireless communications removed and diagnostic info sent to a datachip in the 'jack. You take out the chip and put a new one in. The cyberdoc can then look at the chip and see if there's anything wrong with the 'ware.

"your human pet is indistinguishable from a member of the species that it mimics"

With the possible exception of size. If you cybersculpted me into a kitten, you're starting with a 100 kilogram human, and you'd end up with a kitten massing around 100 kg (maybe a bit can be cut down in the process, but not much).

Come to think of it, shape of ribcage, too; I'd be at best an oddly flattened 100-kg kitten. Not to mention skull. An observer could tell that "kitten" was the intended result, but would be unlikely to mistake me for an actual kitten.

unless you alter the position of the organs and use cybernetics to allow dynamic shaping of the bones. Also the "kitty" in this case might be a lion or tiger.

Mind alteration and non-consensuality

In some ways p-fix is a nice cop-out, you don't need to think of the things of how to get a person to do the things they do, such as taking away personality parts with the use of addictive drugs such as crack cocaine, chaining them to a bed and raping them until they become submissive (Ukranian Mafia use these techniques) or running a white slavery ring with concentration camp like conditions (The most notable is the Albanian Mafia) to training them into becoming supermodels so they can go on their first photoshoot in Yemen from where they are not heard of again (The likelihood of this to happen outside of TV shows is small, but possible) - ultimately from crude to sophisticated psychosexual methods, the purpose of which is to strip away the personality and replace it with something that is malleable by someone in authority. Instead, a bit of voodoo hoodoo and they are happy in their current position or assuming positions, less worry about the wrongness of the actions.

Sex is not necessarily about sex, there are are also collectors, with them it is often about power, submissive dominant relationship, or simply possession. With Russians it is definitely about possession and the power of knowing that no-one has what they have - it is definitely not about relationships.

Anyways, going back to Shadowrun.

The Flesh Fetish Factory

NSFW:



In this large underground complex are death rooms, traps, and sometimes a bit of cooperative puzzle solving. Often enough for a puzzle to be solved involves damage to the body. Through out the facility are autodocs, where you can undergo "treatment" and "upgrades", sometimes though the autodocs are programmed to simply to dissect.

10 people off the street are kidnapped and awaken in the Flesh Fetish Factory, only 1 is allowed to survive.

The thing with human furniture is that you can do many things in 2070 to solve it's inherent problems via cyber- and bioware. You could even go as far as to graft several people together into one entity.
And why have toxic spirits for tentacle rape, when you could sculpt your own crotch octopus. It could be the new child pornography scene. Imagine Lone Star warning parents to keep a look out for sexual predators near schools because 2 girls have already been abducted by potential tentacle rapists.

Wow. Disturbing.

I liked It_Trolls description.

This whole frakkin' thread is disturbing. We're discussing in cold clinical terms sexual perversions that make Sodom and Gomorrah look like Catholic Schools. We're talking about how to use cyber/bioware to turn a human into a toilet! How much more disturbing can you get? Hell I brought up bestiality... and I got a "Eh, whatever."

I still would like to know if any would consider it bestiality to have sex with a shapechanger. Is sentience the defining characteristic on if something is a person (just weirdly shaped) or an animal?



I thought the description was a nice little excerpt from a story that's running in his head. Just like I think that everyone here has a story that's bouncing around. Most of us just don't have the talent for writing it down on paper. I know I can't. You on the other hand put down a pretty gruesome scene.

In one Fantasy Novel set in modern times, but with vampires and werewolves and such, they mention that Shapechangers (lycanthropes, infected/cursed, not like Shadowrun's shapechanger though) are used in some porn movies because they can be used to circumvent the laws on bestiality.

IMHO, sentience defines wether someone is a person or an animal.
If someone is able to think and feel like a human being, he should be treated as one (that's the metahuman rights activist in me coming through).


As far as the zoophilia aspect is concerned, keep in mind that the shapeshifter, for this to happen at all, would have to be an anthrophiliac.

According to SSG (p. 49f) that's the new sexual hot potato topic. People are deeply divided whether that's a disgusting perversion or appealing. Those who had sex with shifters are shy to talk about it, and propably, one or more senators who make a point about bounties on shifters being the only good way to deal with them are caught in flagranti bonking seals, wolves, or whatever shifters in specialised brothels.

However, people DO have sex with shifters, and not only in human form (Striper Assassin comes to mind, where Tikki pays some joyboy to do her in tiger form and, as he calls in the cops, eats him). And dragons aren't the only entities tha might ... and then there's the issue of mages with shapechange spells and drakes. And MMVV creatures.

I think she was in human form, he seemed surprised how large she was in tiger form when she killed him, and from the background he wasn't there for the first time.

Good point. It would probably look something like this, though people might be able to get extremely high quality surgical modification for a great deal of money. The extremely realistic human animals would probably be limited to the extremely rich.


I'd say that the most brutal of breaking techniques do not produce a real 24/7 relationship since they require the maintenance of a total control environment. Given the ability to safely escape to a more comfortable environment, the slave who is broken this way probably will do so. They don't try to please their masters out of love or devotion, they do so out of fear of punishment. If that fear is removed then their obedience is lost. The entire point of the 24/7 master/slave relationship is for the slave to totally sublimate their own desires and replace them with the master's. It is a state of mind that simply cannot be forced. It can, however, be programed into a p-fix.

The really great thing about a good personafix is that even the person with the chip can't tell that it isn't really them. Programed correctly, the thoughts and desires that stem from the personafix can be indistinguishable from the individual's own thoughts and desires in the person's mind. It would have to be personally tailored to the target to get this degree of integration, and thus more expensive than an off-the-shelf model, but P-fixes shouldn't be that expensive in the first place. P-fixes to remove stagefright or other annoying emotions should be common, making a p-fix that simply overlays a new set of emotions or desires onto the person's brain less ethically questionable.

The less brutal methods of capture-bonding work, and can create real love, but they don't work nearly as well or precisely as a personafix does.

What about the influence spell?

Influence is too limited. Sure, it can make the guards not check your droids, but is can't make someone love you. Control Emotions, however, can. The problem is that it is a sustained spell. You could create a sustaining focus ring and hope that your partner never takes it off. Making it a sustaining focus genital piercing would help. Of course, your love may not survive wards and would certainly set one off. Intense alter-memory sessions could work, but Alter Memory wears off over time as it is repeatedly resisted.

Edit: Influence, however, is great for a one-minute stand.

Actually, it's a run idea

What's a game of Shadowrun other than a shared story telling experience? If you're the GM, you set up the situations and your players react to that stimuli and respond.