Well, yeah. What do you think I want them for?

-paws

You could always have a fishtail and gills SURGE trait.

Technically, you are correct.

-paws

Sometimes, I feel grateful that my group is so damned vanilla. I'm the only one who goes for wacky or off-the-wall themes (and frankly, most of SURGE is too off-the-wall for me).

One of my players was considering switching to a pixie weapons specialist so he could make his own tiny little guns.

But those tiny little guns won't do any damage at all. They'll just sting a bit when they hit the skin, and bounce off any kind of armour, maybe even just regular clothing. Stabbing people will be like stabbing someone with a pin, hurts like hell but it isn't going to hurt them enough to even be considered 1 box of damage, unless it was poisoned perhaps. Pixie Archers would present a possible threat.

At least for living costs they should be dirt cheap. The Low lifestyle along is like Luxury to them. They can just buy things meant for toys, and a single candybar would probably last them for the rest of the week.

If Deus can figure out how to make bee drones that in 2060 will kill you dead, I have no doubt the global arms industry can make a pixie-sized gun that will also kill you just as dead as a 20mm round.

Save for a lack of market...

Pixie sized revolver.

They do exist, and there is a market. Not a big one, but enough to keep making them.

Don't forget to load it with Ex-EX for that extra power. Or better yet, Stick-and-Shock.

Sending that to my group now, thanks for reminding me of it!

No problem!



And, before this comes up:

I'm no gun expert, but these guns fire at a reported 399 ft/sec. I have no idea how that translates into stopping power, but it's considered deadly enough that they're banned in the USA. The manufactures *claim* they can kill, and while it may be dubious, it does seem like enough to penetrate skin and do some tissue damage. I suppose shot placement is what matters. Any gun in SR4 is deadly with enough successes behind it.

Hit the eye, and even a BB Gun is deadly.

A derringer? Yeah you could kill someone with a derringer if you shot them in the eye sure enough, but you are not going to get a pixy panther cannon or sniper rifle at that size to have any stopping power. F = M*V^2. A round fired from an AK will be quite a bit more painful then a round from a derringer, although in the wild west it was feared because of the fact that you could easily carry one on you and it would be almost impossible to tell. Close range it can kill people, but a normal pistol will still put up higher numbers then that thing.

A Derringer's place in a gunfight was on the other side of a poker table.

Anything longer ranged, and it was pretty much useless.

I'd imagine skilled gunsmiths to come up with pixie-handleable versions of cybereye dartguns (heavy pistols), hold-outs (shotguns), light pistols (sniper rifles) and probably even heavy pistols (assault cannons) and machine pistols (HMGs).

I'd generally expect them to have less ammunition (and good luck trying to find belt-fed machine pistol rounds...), but besides that, stats should be the same.

Yeah, pixies are tiny, but not that tiny that it is completely impossible to craft a gun for them when people build guns that fit into eyeballs (yes, i know, eyedarts are pathetic, but that's the price for being a pixie mage).
I mean, windlings could use shortswords as claymores, too.

OK, OK. I might allow Craig the Pixie Mage to use a Holdout as a Rifle.

But he'd have to modify it to have a wooden/polymer stock in order to handle it two-handed.

Like I said, I'm not a gun expert. All I can say is that they put the ft/sec on the webpage, and claim it's enough to do the job. However, it really doesn't matter. All you have to do is load the thing with Stick-and-Shock, and suddenly you're doing just as much damage as any other gun.

It kills people and has killed people, but I think it is foolish to think that a pixies could carry anything that would do any kind of real damage. A pixie I don't think can used a modified pistol to do as much as an assault cannon, and if their "assault cannon" basically does heavy pistol damage I don't see why not, but thinking they could fire anything that could do panther cannon type damage is somewhat.... odd. Trolls are about the only people who don't have a hard time using monster weapons, and having a pixie firing that crazy insane weapon (or maybe even a 50 cal sniper rifle) would probably blow them threw a plaster wall from the kick of the weapon. Assuming they were a few feet from a plaster wall pulling the trigger of a weapon like that.

Pixie sized weapons do exactly the same damage as normal sized guns, it's exactly the same think as big Troll guns not doing more damage than those human sized ones.

I was always under the opinion that the only mod you need for a "troll gun" is a bigger trigger and grip. I never thought the guns got bigger or smaller. I find it hard to imagine that using a pea shooter and saying it can totally destroy an armored car, that just breaks my brain. If these guns are so awesome then a human would be walking around with a pixie mod panther cannon with skin link to fire the sucker. Everyone would be walking around with "holdout pistols" of extreme death and it would wreck the setting. I mean that is fine if you just chose to overlook it, but to me it just does not make sense in the SR world and ends up taking away game play. Now giving pixies more ingenious guns that would be easier for a tiny little flying creature would be awesome (certain kinds of injectors or dart guns.) Saying they get itty bitty death guns makes me feel like it messes with the setting a little to much for my taste.

Bah. Pixie Adept with Killing Hands.

But for the Pixie Sammy? Go with Gamma Scope.

http://www.ultimatekeychains.com/index.asp...&ProdID=207

Run a hose from that to a couple containers strapped to the Pixie's back or waist (To avoid interfering with his wings), and you have something capable of firing at least a few doses of DMSO-laced Gama Scope (Or Nuerostun, for something a little easier to get. Or pretty much any liquid-based drug). You're not gonna have much range, but hey, you're a foot tall, can fly, and have concealment. Getting close should NOT be a problem!

Have you seen the cover of Runner Havens, that pretty much how i see a troll heavy pistol looking.
Its just game balance reasons why trolls and really strong humans/orcs don't get more powerfull guns and becouse of those balance reasons pixie guns are also just as powerfull as all the other guns.

I could see a pixie (which is the size of a human infant, yes?) utilizing a light or hold-out pistol like a rifle with a re-tooled hand grip.

Didn't mean it that way.

I included the stuff in the brackets only to give an impression of what they would look like.

To a pixie, handling a custom-built machine pistol would be the same as handling a HMG would be for a human.
It would still have the reach and damage of a machine pistol, of course.



As far as oversized troll pistols are concerned, i wouldn't necessarily portray them this way.

What looks like a heavy pistol in troll size could very well qualify as a shotgun as far as the stats are concerned.
It's not that canonical weapons appear all too often in SR illustration anyway...
But it is understandable that artists don't want to draw trolls who wield Warhawks that look like Derringers in their hands.

So, if a pixie can wield a re-engineered machine pistol, but has to treat it like an HMG (uses gunnery skill, requires bipod, doubles recoil mods as per heavy weapon), and a Troll gets to use an MMG as though it were an AR, what weapons simulate what trolls would use as HMGs and Autocanons?

You know, one of the things I always liked about Shadowrun was that all the metahuman races were, more or less, human-sized. Sure Trolls and Dwarfs are pretty different, but they're still not so grossly over- or undersized that they're incapable of using unmodified technology.

And now we have Pixies.

Oh, and Centaurs. Can't forget the Centaurs.

You know, the more I look at the sapient critters, the more I'm convinced that Sasquatch are the only ones I'll give a green light too unless we're doing something really different.

-paws

I'll be able to give my two nyuen soon. Store called to let me know my book came in.

I don't mind Pixies too much. They can at least shop at toy stores for clothing.

What does a Naga wear? Or a Centaur?

"Sir, you're under arrest for littering." "WHAT?" "Yes sir, and also violating our 'Poop and scoop' laws."

Half horse and half naked.

I recommend all Centaurs dress the "Donal Duck" way

"Okay, so that's a blouse made of ballistic cloth and some barding, both with the same floral pattern and our patented three-finger buttons. If I could just get your credstick ma'am...thank you."

"Would you like a bag of oats with that?"

And if you're a centaur you wouldn't need to spring for a van. The team could ride on your back!

I would green-light any of the sapient races portrayed in Runner's Companion, so long as the player understood he would be severely hampered in how he could participate in an adventure. I'm not going to rewrite a mission just so the guy who decides he wants to be an A.I. with no physical body has something to do.

That's why they make drones.

Some Riggers never leave the house after all.

Well, at least until the Jammers get into effect.

The house, in this case, being an armored van of pure awesomeness. Or a Horseman. Take your pick.

-paws

Well, they're not that much more gross is size differential than trolls (especially how large trolls used to be). My math may be off (by a lot, since I'm working off memory) but pixies are in the general height range of Vern Troyer. That's not that out of whack.


A 120mm smoothbore cannon removed from an M1A1 Abrams, and refitted for personal use. Although it'd be easier to use one from a Leopard II since they have autoloaders.

Actually, Pixie's Average about 45cm (Page 65, Runners Companion). That's just a tad under 1'6" (1.48 Feet, according to an online converter). Verne Troyer is, according to his Wiki Page, 2'8", or 80cm. So there's just a bit of a difference.

And for what it's worth, I assume that any size difference between Troll and Human sized weapons is purely cosmetic. They still fire the same sized bullet. Trolls CAN fire larger bore weapons, which was at one point indicated by their ability to fire a Panther Assault Cannon without getting knocked down, whereas humans had to take a nasty little test to avoid getting bowled over by the recoil.

The fact is, any gun a Pixie can hold and fire comfortable simply cannot hold normal sized ammunition and explosive charges and whatever. As some of the links that have been tossed off have shown, there are single (or limited) shot weapons that could be small enough to fire a normal sized bullet, but you'd still be dealing with nasty recoil. I would definitely adapt some of the knockback rules for those.

But, hey, your game. If it works for you and your players to just "Shrink" a predator down for a Pixie, feel free. Shouldn't impact the game much.

I would hug your post Bull if I could. Saved me a post basically saying exactly what you said.

Oh no! Bad enough I got one player planning his "Horseman of the Apocaypse"!

No, pixies are the size of large Barbie dolls. Maybe 5 or 6 inches taller. but unlike babies or midgets they are proportional, which means realy tiny hands.

been there, done that, got squinky to do the art ^^
http://squinkyproductions.deviantart.com/a...alypse-95924176

OK, retooled entirely. Front-Mounted magazine well, wooden pistol grip like a Broomhandle Mauser. Or a really small version of a MP5.

No, this is a PMV Horseman. Doctor McCoy in my group drives one (And got it's windshield smashed by a Spikes Troll!), which gave another play the idea to heavily over-mod the vehicle!

That Centaur needs more guns.

you don't see them all.
guns in the hands, then one gun on the articulate arm weapon mount on the back, 4 tracking weapon mounts, two on the front shoulders pointing forward and two on the ass-shoulders pointing backwards, that's enough guns for most of anything really ^^
and as for the horseman, i KNOW it's a "vehicle" . . i just could not pass up the opportunity on either the play on words(half horse, half man=horseman) or showing off squinkys art in another thread ^^

I recommend Ares brand Pwnsauce 1337 Anti-Vehicle Rounds™ for all your rigger disposal needs.

-paws

Bull gave the pixie height above which is taller than a 12 inch Barbie. In my mind I could see a pixie with a light pistol utilizing a really tiny grip. Perhaps shoulder mounted. A Colt American would be like holding a bazooka, which is doable. But, whatever. As we say round these parts, your game, your rules. It's all good!

Note he did say "Maybe 5 or 6 inches taller", but imagining a Barbie (Or in my mind, one of the large GI Joe Action FigureDolls) works pretty well for base concept. And that is the average size... I'd say Pixies Could range anywhere from 12" to 24". And they do end up with a decent sized wingspan.

Now, what you want to do, is get your Pixie one of those back mounted cyber gyromount arm thingies. And mount a Ruger Thunderbolt or Salavette Guardian to it. Or, maybe a Machine Pistol. Instant Pixie Heavy Gunner.

Man, now I need to make a Pixie character. Dammit.

have squinky draw that one ^^
we'll drive him insane with this kinda character-concept ^^

The large Barbie and old-fashioned GI Joe dolls are 12" tall. A pixie is about the size of one of those 18" action figure things they sell to fan boys at conventions.