DreadPirateKitten
Aug 13 2008, 06:06 PM
I have a cyberarm with gyromount, which gives recoil 3, and the barret gives 2, dont really know where the other one is from.
I have SMG's and stuff too, where that gyromount is very useful =P
Tarantula
Aug 13 2008, 06:10 PM
You do know it isn't always on right? You can turn off the cyberarm gyro (and thus look less ridiculous). Also you don't need to use the bipod.
CanRay
Aug 13 2008, 06:11 PM
Gyromount, whatever did we do before we had you?
Oh, yeah, spray and pray!
paws2sky
Aug 13 2008, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (DreadPirateKitten @ Aug 13 2008, 12:52 PM)

Its only 1 piece of my gear, and I already spent 200,600 on bio/cyber!
See this? Here is the
perfect candidate for the Born Rich positive quality.

-paws
psychophipps
Aug 13 2008, 06:15 PM
As for bipods, I strongly suggest a new modifier of "Weapon Braced: +1" to reflect the enhanced accuracy when bracing a weapon against a bipod, tripod, weapon mount, or simply a handy solid object. This is what gun writers loosely refer to as "bench rest" as it is indeed a more accurate way to shoot.
DreadPirateKitten
Aug 13 2008, 06:17 PM
QUOTE (Tarantula @ Aug 13 2008, 02:10 PM)

You do know it isn't always on right? You can turn off the cyberarm gyro (and thus look less ridiculous). Also you don't need to use the bipod.
I can...and I dont have to, but its better to put the max values in, than it is to wonder later, and go look up 5 items, in 6 different books.
psychophipps
Aug 13 2008, 06:17 PM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 13 2008, 11:11 AM)

Gyromount, whatever did we do before we had you?
Oh, yeah, spray and pray!
No, we fired rapid, accurate semi-auto or precise short bursts like intelligent folk. Even machinegunners don't just hold down the trigger and sweep left to right anymore.
Tarantula
Aug 13 2008, 06:17 PM
Cyber arm * lock it in place via mental command = insta benchrest?
CanRay
Aug 13 2008, 06:21 PM
QUOTE (psychophipps @ Aug 13 2008, 01:17 PM)

No, we fired rapid, accurate semi-auto or precise short bursts like intelligent folk. Even machinegunners don't just hold down the trigger and sweep left to right anymore.
Bah, that doesn't fit with the Mohawks, Mirrorshades and Razorblades appeal of Cyberpunk!
Earlydawn
Aug 13 2008, 06:31 PM
To answer the original question; because the Assault Cannon is a man-portable ass-kicking high caliber cannon from hell. Consider Iraq - there's no doubt that sniper fire is a solid dis-incentive for insurgency. Nobody wants to get shot in the head without even hearing it coming. Intimidating. Now instead imagine a Army Weapons Platoon laying down the equivalent of a man-portable 25mm bushmaster cannon barrage on an insurgent position. You don't get the same precision, but I'd surely surrender. The capability for a small unit to do serious structural damage to a building before calling in tanks, artillery, or warplanes? Fuck yes.
MYST1C
Aug 13 2008, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (psychophipps @ Aug 13 2008, 08:17 PM)

Even machinegunners don't just hold down the trigger and sweep left to right anymore.
Back in my army days the longest burst I ever fired was ~50 rounds - from the coaxial 7.62mm MG on an MBT...
Wounded Ronin
Aug 13 2008, 09:28 PM
I thought you're supposed to hold down the trigger and sweep if you're in immediate danger of being overrun.
psychophipps
Aug 14 2008, 02:31 AM
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Aug 13 2008, 01:28 PM)

I thought you're supposed to hold down the trigger and sweep if you're in immediate danger of being overrun.
That's what claymore's are for, last I checked.
psychophipps
Aug 14 2008, 02:42 AM
QUOTE (Tarantula @ Aug 13 2008, 10:17 AM)

Cyber arm * lock it in place via mental command = insta benchrest?
Not even close, bro. That cyberarm is still stuck to a quivering, shaking, breathing, and generally unstable mass known as the living body.
Cardul
Aug 14 2008, 10:24 AM
QUOTE (Tarantula @ Aug 13 2008, 12:57 PM)

Why do you need 6 recoil comp? At most you need 1.
I would be willing to bet the reason is: for 6 shots in a turn without recoil. I would bet 160K of that 200K nuyen in cyber/bio is...Synaptic Accel..er..Booster.
Mäx
Aug 14 2008, 10:49 AM
QUOTE (Cardul @ Aug 14 2008, 01:24 PM)

I would be willing to bet the reason is: for 6 shots in a turn without recoil. I would bet 160K of that 200K nuyen in cyber/bio is...Synaptic Accel..er..Booster.
I would bet that it isn't and anyway recoil doesn't carry over to next IP.
Tarantula
Aug 14 2008, 02:32 PM
QUOTE (psychophipps @ Aug 13 2008, 08:42 PM)

Not even close, bro. That cyberarm is still stuck to a quivering, shaking, breathing, and generally unstable mass known as the living body.
Ok... cyber arm, torso, and leg, all told to hold position while you shoot with the other arm?
psychophipps
Aug 14 2008, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (Tarantula @ Aug 14 2008, 06:32 AM)

Ok... cyber arm, torso, and leg, all told to hold position while you shoot with the other arm?
Or...you could drop 50 bucks and use a high-speed/low-drag super-fly bipod (It even says so in the gun rag ad!) while prone? Or brace your rifle up against a tree branch? Maybe a rock? How about a car hood? How about a slightly modded camera stand from Stuffer Shack for 15

?
Hmm...
psychophipps
Aug 14 2008, 02:52 PM
QUOTE (psychophipps @ Aug 14 2008, 06:50 AM)

Or...you could drop 50 bucks and use a high-speed/low-drag super-fly bipod (It even says so in the gun rag ad!) while prone? Or brace your rifle up against a tree branch? Maybe a rock? How about a car hood? How about a slightly modded camera stand from Stuffer Shack for 15

?
Hmm...

Also, there are shooting positions for a person to use that are quite solid. they're just hard to get into, are all quite uncomfortable, and still aren't as good as using a random solid terrain feature. But they do work in a pinch, even out to 1000 yards.
kzt
Aug 14 2008, 04:09 PM
QUOTE
Also, there are shooting positions for a person to use that are quite solid. they're just hard to get into, are all quite uncomfortable, and still aren't as good as using a random solid terrain feature. But they do work in a pinch, even out to 1000 yards.
In SR you take a minus for that, because everyone knows that nobody can shoot better laying prone than they can offhand.
Shrike30
Aug 14 2008, 04:36 PM
I'm inclined to think that the bonus for shooting from bench rest has to do with the "Take Aim" action. If you wanted to have bipods/tripods aid in that, you could always have them allow for more take-aim actions, rather than simply granting a straight-up bonus...
Cthulhudreams
Aug 15 2008, 01:16 AM
I'm starting to think I need to upgrade my armour to full combat gear for this.
HeavyMetalYeti
Aug 15 2008, 02:33 AM
Anyone here ever fire a machinegun in RL? I've fired the M60 and M2 50 cal. The 60 is way more accurate with the bipod deployed and in the prone position than it can ever be while the shooter is standing. Even if he is supported. the body still sways. it doesn't while lying down. plus you make a smaller target. as for spray and pray, it is still used... its called supressive fire. you aim 1 to 2 meters from the ground and fire off 9 - 12 round bursts. holding the trigger down only draws enemy fire and overheats your barrel.
Cthulhudreams
Aug 15 2008, 03:06 AM
I've fired an M249 and a pintle mounded M2.
As I'm a retarded with no real training, I couldn't even hit a target at 80 meters with the M2.
jago668
Aug 17 2008, 12:28 AM
QUOTE (Caine Hazen @ Aug 11 2008, 01:39 PM)

Wow, ok, that is a bit of semantics there I never noticed...
vs the AC AV
emphasis mine
Makes APDS and AV rounds in an AC the same then
Well it depends on how you want to read that. Since on ARS pg 34 at the start of the ammunition section it says that the ammo listed uses the same rules as on page 312 of the mainbook. Going to BBB pg 312, it says "The ammunition's Damage Modifier and AP Modifier are added to the weapon's usual DV and AP."
So you would add a -4 AP when using it against people, and add a -6 AP when using it against vehicles. So using it in a hmg would give you a -7 AP for people, and -9 AP for vehicles. Least that is how I read it.
If you used it like you said, you would be worse off firing av rounds than apds rounds.
SinN
Oct 20 2008, 05:38 AM
The Assualt cannon is big, scary, and looks cool as hell. Nuff said.
KarmaInferno
Oct 20 2008, 11:17 AM
QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 15 2008, 04:06 AM)

I've fired an M249 and a pintle mounded M2.
As I'm a retarded with no real training, I couldn't even hit a target at 80 meters with the M2.
Carlos Hathcock laughs at you.

-np
BullZeye
Oct 20 2008, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Aug 11 2008, 11:49 PM)

Heh, a troll using a SMG in .500 S&W...
An assault rifle in .338 Laupa...
It's
Lapua, not Laupa
Barenziahlover58
Oct 20 2008, 11:26 PM
Assualt cannon are meant to be use to do major damage to vehicle and builting. In world war 2 12inches to 18 inches gun fireing HE shell where able to destory tank with direct hit as 2000 IBS of TnT can defeat any amour as it engulf the entire vehile. The naval big calicer gun where all hight velocity gun compare to low velocity howter. Snipe rifle round isnot big enought to damage than armour vehicle.
JudgementLoaf
Oct 20 2008, 11:31 PM
The real question one has to ask yourself concerning assault cannons is.....
WHY NOT?
Seriously, BOOM. Great for Pink Mohawks too.
the_real_elwood
Oct 21 2008, 04:41 AM
QUOTE (JudgementLoaf @ Oct 20 2008, 05:31 PM)

The real question one has to ask yourself concerning assault cannons is.....
WHY NOT?
Seriously, BOOM. Great for Pink Mohawks too.
QFT.
Also, in a similar vein, when someone asks me which gun for his character, my standard response is "why not both?".
Janice
Oct 21 2008, 05:52 AM
QUOTE (It trolls! @ Aug 11 2008, 12:33 AM)

I'd say the short answer is: Style.
The long answer: The assault cannon is a remnant from old editions when it was also still feasible to run with a pink mohawk. Nowadays where all shadowrunners have inconspicuous black hair and wear trenchcoats, there is indeed no more room for a little panther besides the mighty Ranger Arms.
Too bad Shadowrun seems to encourage a level of Gygaxian GMing that would probably make Gygax himself twitch. You can't afford to be even slightly distinct without planning to get a body sculpt after you're finished the run.
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