How in the world can you say that? This is Shadowrun... weird/freaky things happen all the time. Look at the GGD and the creation of the NANs... that is unbelievable; UGE and Goblinization... weird; Bug City & SURGE... Freak Show Inc.; Technomancers... weird. The list goes on and on and on.

Also with augmentation you can get a cat girl easy. Just look at this bozo... and this is done with 2009ish technology. Just think what you can do in 2065+ technology.

This is what I was thinking of, maybe. It's been a while since I read it, and may be mixing it up with another story as well.

Why is that? The person wants to play one and it IS a game. Let the person have fun.

You have to consider the fun of all involved, if having fun for one person means totally screwing the fun for 3 or 4 others... you get the idea. If they consent to it, on the other hand...

Dunno about catgirls/-boys either.

Now Wolfmen are much more interesting...

But what would be the RIGHT reason anyway?

I'm kind of with the Tolerance Faction here. I have a player in my game that takes great satisfaction in their PC killing people and sometimes smashing up their bodies. Am I really being told that this is more tolerable / healthy than someone who just wants to have some little ears and a tail?

Anyway, combining the fetishes and desires and trends of today, with the technology of SR2070, it would be unrealistic for the setting not to have cat girls, wolf boys and whatever other variations people might fancy becoming. (Although I don't like Surge as a reason).

Let us not forget that this surgery would be reversible. It could easily be a phase you go through or something you try out for a bit. The key question would be how acceptable it would be in general life. Is the receptionist at your place of work a catgirl? Is your manager? What about your sensei at your Ju-Jitsu club? Does he look like a grizzly bear?

K.

Why not have SURGE as a reason?

I mean I have Chaos Mage character who is a SURGEd Foxboy. I took Vomeronasal Organ, Celerity, & Balance Tail as positive metagenetics and Impaired Body and Impaired Strength as Negative metagenetics. I also took Moderate Allergy to Silver.

The back story is that his ancestors during the Fourth Age included some fox shapeshifters, and that during that time Fantasy Genetics™ worked. So when the Comet came around, his Fox shapeshifter heritage came out. That also explained why he's allergic to Silver.

I always encourage anyone playing a Catgirl/boy, or a Furry/Exotic type character to have full skillwires...*whistles innocently and hides the Bunraku "recruiters"...*

*breaks of the akward silence of you hidding thinks by breaking into the thread with a big sign saying "I´m a furry...but not the freaky kind...and proud of it!"*




another wrong, okey people one more shoot before i end this of topic hunt for stars

Sign me up as a tolerator and encourager of the freaky and weird. Catgirls - well, never had one at my table, but I've had characters that were close to it. I *like* weird; this is Shadowrun, after all, and after UGE, dragons, awakened animals, drakes, bugs..I mean, the door is open for pretty much anything to come flying through by this point.

Would I allow a catgirl? Depends on the player. I know the gf could get away with it, cause she's my SO and we play one on one games, but my old group I'd be wary as fuck because I know what kind of trouble they'd cause. But SURGE in general doesn't bother me, and I would actually encourage people to take the trait if they were waffling on it.

Didn't that kitsune comic just stop suddenly? I remember enjoying it when I discovered it..

Bull: Its okay. YotC was a great book - one of my favorite SR books of all time. Ghostwalker, SURGE, shedim, comet frenzy...lots of good stuff in that book.

The hooker boots are the least disturbing, but dammit they need to be put on drakes.

I blame Square and Final Fantasy for the increase in anthropomorphic desire.

Ratgirls
Catgirls
Bunnygirls

fixed :3

Clarification: I don't have any issue with using cyberware and bioware to make catgirls. I do have an issue with the idea that a fragging comet would make people suddenly mutate into a zillion and one different fantasy creatures. I'm trying to keep a modicum in realism in an already fairly unbelievable game universe, and the comet stuff is like a bad B-movie.

Two things here:
1) exactly where is the line that defines "freaky furry" from "furry"?
2) being furry doesn't warrant pride, it's like being proud about having breakfast.
"Pride is, either a high sense of the worth of one's self or one's own or a pleasure taken in the contemplation of these things."
"Now the man is thought to be proud who thinks himself worthy of great things, being worthy of them; for he who does so beyond his deserts is a fool, but no virtuous man is foolish or silly. The proud man, then, is the man we have described. For he who is worthy of little and thinks himself worthy of little is temperate, but not proud; for pride implies greatness, as beauty implies a goodsized body, and little people may be neat and well-proportioned but cannot be beautiful. Pride, then, seems to be a sort of crown of the virtues; for it makes them greater, and it is not found without them. Therefore it is hard to be truly proud; for it is impossible without nobility and goodness of character." ~Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics



Same here. I sadly never got to do anything fun with my drake, but I greatly enjoyed having the possibility. The closest he came to turning into his dracoform was in a fight on a boat against two high power water spirits conjured by two cyber-naga mages.

Highschool teachers must have a tough time...

Of course not! Everybody knows the best sensei is a ratman.

Er, most everyone eats breakfast. The same can't be said about furries.

1) that like many things is up to each person, for me the line is crossed over from furry to freaky furry when you start dressing up like a anthro animal

2)well thats your opinion I guess. I feal pride and thats all to it.

Surge or most other things from YoTC didn't bother me. What got to me was the Shedim those got old freaking quick.

I personally don't use surge or any type of freaky mods because I personally don't like them. It's just not my style. I'm just not that pink mohawk.

Now I have to ask. If dressing up as an anthromorphic animal makes you a freaky furry, what's on the non-freaky side of the line?

again this is only my view, I don´t claim what i say to be right or wrong. For the non freaky side are the ones who just appreciate the art, mayby can see a inner animal in there soul, mayby even rp as a anthro animal threw chats and forums but who in the end have a solid anchor with reality and can accept that in the end it´s a fantasy.


Again just my 2 cents on the whole thing.

Someone who eats breakfast does it every day. There's no pride to feel. That's the comparison.



1) so the adult themed artwork doesn't bother you?
2) mostly it's someone else's opinion that I agreed with as pride is "worth from accomplishments;" proud of the things you do. "Self Pride" is dignitas, loosely translated as dignity.

not at all, my furry adult folder is 1,12 GB big, 98% is just pictures a few kb big :3

This.

I played in a Dragonlance game once where one of our buddies decided he wanted to play an Illusionist paederast who went around creating phantasms of 9' tall phalluses ejaculating. Our GM was tolerant and let him play it despite the rest of our refusals to play with said character. We spent the entire session passing notes to each other plotting his death before passing a final note to the GM setting it in motion. Player stormed off and spent a month in the penalty box before rejoining.

Actually I guess in the end I got an amusing if disgusting annecdote so it wasn't all bad. Imagine our horror at the time however.

I read that recently - was a catgirl fixer in there called Tabby.

Liked the backstory for her - was a reasonably sucessful shadowrunner, then got hit by SURGE and turned into a catgirl. After that, nobody wanted to work with her as she was too distinctive, so she switched over to fixing with help from a friend... thought it worked kinda well.

[SILLY]
Although I'm amazed she didn't use her awesome charisma, monowhip and 'kitty scritch scritch' claws to seduce and then kill Lofwyr - stealing all his gold, obviously.
[/SILLY]

Kids, lets leave the furry discussion for another board. Especially the discussion about the adult stuff. Lets keep this relevant to Shadowrun.

chromebook 2 i think, as chormebook 3 introed the full body conversions...

Porno catgirl was in YotC - she was an office secretary that SURGEd and got in trouble for having sex with one of the mailboys in a copy room and got ditched, then turned to porno because she discovered she really dug doing the nasty. Her parents disowned her and so did a few of her friends, but she was making a pretty good living at the time.

ETA: Damn it Bull, I had something good going there

(I at least want to leave the comic link in)

Heh.

For the record, I don't have any real major issue with the idea of "catgirls". My issue generally comes from the fact that the type of player who will WANT to play that character is also the same type of player who wanted to play a Kender, or wanted to play a Drow (Probably a Ranger. With Scimitars!) or Wants to play Boba Fett. They're doing it because it's "KEWL!" (or occasionally "KYOOT!") as opposed to playing it for any solid RP reasons.

Of course, that type of player will usually annoy me no matter what they play But, I'm just saying...

I mean, after all, you're talking to a guy who's planning to make a Windling/Pixie if his current Missions character ever dies, and who's written rules for playing Disney's Gargoyles in Shadowrun And the first thing I ever wrote for Shadowrun was the "First Church of Elvis" and Elvis Shamans. I know from silly

Bull

Agreed on that. I had one friend play a kender, but he honestly made us laugh. He made us laugh all the way up to getting his hands on a Wish spell and wishing for all the beer in the world - and promptly drowned as it fell from the sky, into his open mouth. I love being the GM sometimes.

On a kind of related note, Saturday night at Gencon we were at a friend's party when a few of his other friends show up - one of them had a Malkavian mirror tattoo on his leg. He didn't do anything while I was there, but we heard the next morning that there'd been some trouble...

This is relevant to my interests!

As for the webcomic . . i don't know what people find on that one . .

ok might aswell spill on my golden star challenge since eavryone is stuck on some comic

I was refering to DeceasedCrab LP of Shadowrun for the SNES


a very fun LP for any Shadowrun nerd out there

ah, ol crab. i still recall watching him play la-mulana

Basically, I like the effort and thought that has gone into trying to make all the magical elements of Shadowrun realistic and the semi-low key tone of it all. SURGE was like a five year old suddenly grabbed the setting and scribbled all over it. I like ice-cream. I like cheese. I don't like cheese in my ice-cream. The tone and setting of Shadowrun was torn to shreds. Now this is all my opinion and others may differ, but to me, SURGE was entirely the wrong flavour as well as being yet another repeat of the endlessly repeated plot of "people change a bit (but not in an unbalancing way of course) and the world is consumed by fear and prejudice yada yada". (Did it again with Technomancers, incidentally). If anything should ever be retconned in Shadowrun, then as far as I'm concerned, it's SURGE, second only to Dunklezahn being behind every good thing that ever happened in the entire world ever. Immortal Elves are fine as long as Leonardo is out of the picture. (Okay, Leonardo, Mother Dunklezahn and SURGE in that order).

As regards pride in furridom, no, there's no need to feel great pride in having a particular interest, unless you are routinely condemned by society for having that interest in which case pride is a kind of redress of balance. If everyone condemned me for having breakfast, I'd probably take a certain defiant pride in this morning's porridge and orange.

K.

No problem Bull, I just know that "furry" elicits different context for different people and I was curious as to where remmus drew the line between "ok" and "not ok." For most people its when it crosses over into a fetish--which is why "furry" has a bad name (most people are more familiar with furry being used that way) and I think that's why most people don't want catgirls (and other "furry" characters) in their ShadowRun.

I may be mistaken, of course.

Luckily he cleared up my confusion. I hated YoTC with a passion only rivaled by hatred for actual furries.



Saved by the Jury! Heh!

We ignore most of the SURGE rules, so it's no loss. YoTC sits on my shelf, and there like a bad rash it will stay!

SURGE has been one of the more interesting parts of Shadowrun for me. It upends part of the setting and adds in chaos. Just when the megas thought they had a lock on the 6th world, something comes along and the jokers are wild again. Just when you thought you were comfortable with the status quo, shit happens. Something or someone else just became the cutting edge. It is a recurring theme (which works for publishers, since they need to sell new books) that the more things change, the more they stay the same and vice versa. Just when you thought that you knew what Shadowrun was about, SURGE comes in to play.

from experience, what riles most people about YOTC surge, was the part about hitting PC's with it at random...

Here's the thing... IN the SR books we are referring to, Furries are referenced in an adult manner (catgirl porn star). So how is it not relevant? SR is an adult game, and adult issues should come up.

I'm not trying to start anything, but where is the line drawn?

They explained that the comet was responsible for a spike magical energy. That's the reason for all of the orichalcum that spontaneously appeared as well as the SURGE

Disappointment is born from expectation, do not expect anything and you won't be disappointed.

Expectation is premeditated disappointment.

Personaly I like catgirls ..... as NPCs.
One that I made was an NPC of a short story ark that I've GMed, an albino catgirl suffering multiple personalities disorder, the PCs were hired by one of hers selfs to keep in check her because two of hers personalities were at war with each other, and there was a Humanis chapter that wanted get rid of the "mutant bitch"; my player threatened me of dire physical consequences if I ever did anything like that again, which is strange considering that I had already punished one of my player by having his male troll samurai surging into an ermaphrodit troll samurai without too many problems (the troll just got the female equipment surgicaly removed).
Other exemples are a Cat shaman catgirl who was the owner of a lore store and doubled as an healer, and a young dog shaman that surged into a catboy and was terrified by his own totem.

Now see, that's funny.

Personally I have no real problem with the "cat girl" character and to an extent a furry character. It is no different than playing as anything else that is not human, it all depends on the idea behind the character. A furry or cat girl character is no better or worse than playing an elf or other non human. Its a RPG and the General reason for playing an RPG is to allow you to slip into the shoes of someone else and experience the world through their eyes, which includes that of non humans when given the chance. In the end, wither a character should be allowed or not is relative to the kind of game that is going to be played and the people who play it. If you are trying to run a game that is serious and mature and a player is making a character to broadcast and play out a sexual thing (fetish or not), than you should ask them to not do so; especially if it will make other players uncomfortable.

Does anyone remember Tabby from the Denver missions?

^^^^That's the one I was trying to remember at the beginning (2nd page) of this thread. It's been driving me nuts trying to remember, thanks Aardvark.

I wrote Tabby in--yes, she was a Changeling who expressed with feline qualities, but she was far from a cat-girl. Unlike the pornstar mentioned above, Tabby was a woman who was lost and trying to pick up the pieces of her old life. She had a facade, like most people do, that she portrayed as liking the change. Underneath it all, she was another person whose entire sense of self-identity was stripped away by forces beyond her control. I think Squinky did a great job with the illustration of her--she is still human as far as bone structure is concerned, but she has fur, vertically slit pupils, etc. With contacts/cybereyes and some laser hair removal, Tabby would be able to recover part of her identity. Everything that she was before though is lost to her and can never be recovered.

I'd imagine that for people who went through SURGE, the process of becoming a changeling is very similar to UGE and Goblinization. While some may accept it, if their new appearance is a better match for their self-identity, I think most will have some serious issues to overcome. Imagine that you go to bed and wake up the next morning with the a different gender or race than when you went to sleep, individuals who don't associate with their gender may be pleased at the new change--others will be panicking and trying to find a way to put it all back.

Putting it all back shouldn't be much trouble at all, especially for Shadowrunners. I never really got all the "Oh, stuck as a freak" emo-stuff, not when said characters could have spent 2 lousy BPs or less to get rid of it.

You are confusing the physical with the psychological and social. No matter what, you went through the effects of SURGE.
On one hand, since it *IS* described as painful, you have to deal with the cognitive dissonance, going "I lived through this...so it must be something I have to deal with." On the other hand..you went through it. People met you while you were going through it, and after. People knew you were going through it. If your friends abandoned you as a freak because
you started sprouting thorns, or grew horns. You get those removed..your now ex-friends and social circles that abandoned you because of it will STILL think of you as a freak. You cannot go back into those social circles. You are
not the person you were before, even if you go back, because the experience has changed you.

I agree, all the Drizzt wannabes irritate the hell out of me. It seems like everyone who has read any Drizzt novels suddenly wants to make a character that is Drizzt or is based on Drizzt and is Drizzt with another name. Every novelized setting has that character that everyone wants to be, or a "class" of characters that everyone wants to be, or both. With Star Wars, it's Boba Fett and Jedi. I swear, if Boba Fett ever mysteriously gained the ability to use the Force, I would curse the author who penned it to the 9th circle of Hades to live in eternal damnation with Satan, Brutus, Judas, and Cassius.

Taking a character someone else has made and change the name? Bad
Taking characteristics of multiple characters other people have made and mesh them together in some form that would make psychiatrists see a psychiatrist? Good.