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StealthSigma
QUOTE (Kruger @ Oct 15 2010, 11:20 AM) *
Not really. Runners are only as good at lying low as the GM is willing to allow them to be. Most runners are so blatantly obvious that they'd have to go deep, deep underground in another time zone to hide, lol.


Meh.

An under boss dealing with runners is going to have to weigh the cost of double crossing them. People steal because they think they can get away with it. Runners are different in that they have the skills and tools to be a huge pain in the ass for someone that double crosses them. Double cross a hacker? He can really mess up your nodes. Double cross a samurai? He can really mess up your body. Double cross a face? She could probably seduce your wife from you.
Xahn Borealis
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Oct 13 2010, 01:19 PM) *
Suddenly whip it out, surprising everyone.



This works more often than you'd think. biggrin.gif
Neraph
QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 15 2010, 10:38 AM) *
Double cross a face? She could probably seduce your wife from you.

Heh.
sabs
Can I get that on video? as proof
CanRay
Pics or it's not real!
StealthSigma
QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 15 2010, 01:36 PM) *
Heh.


I'm glad someone caught that.
Karoline
QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 15 2010, 11:38 AM) *
Meh.

An under boss dealing with runners is going to have to weigh the cost of double crossing them. People steal because they think they can get away with it. Runners are different in that they have the skills and tools to be a huge pain in the ass for someone that double crosses them. Double cross a hacker? He can really mess up your nodes. Double cross a samurai? He can really mess up your body. Double cross a face? She could probably seduce your wife from you.

He can really mess up your nodes AKA slip a warrant for your arrest into the local cop's systems, take control of your home node can cause it to feed you poison (or laxatives for humor) or just mess up your clocks so you're late for meetings (The Mafia hates people who are late for meetings). Oh, and hope you've never accessed a bank account on your commlink before, because you're going to be providing them with a personal donation.

He can really mess up your body AKA Well, does this really need explanation? Knives, pistols, assault weapons, panther cannons, sniper rifles, max ranks in Intimidation (torture), pressure points, whatever.

She could probably seduce your wife from you... and your girl on the side... and your daughter... and your boss.
Yerameyahu
It's not like powerful organized crime bosses don't have matrix, physical, and ridiculously-overpowered-social-rules security of their own.
StealthSigma
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2010, 04:24 PM) *
It's not like powerful organized crime bosses don't have matrix, physical, and ridiculously-overpowered-social-rules security of their own.


Replace "powerful organized crime bosses" with "triple A mega corps".
Karoline
QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 15 2010, 04:33 PM) *
Replace "powerful organized crime bosses" with "triple A mega corps".

Yep. Given that most runners go up against AAA mega corps as par for the course, I don't think organized crime defenses are going to shake them.
Neurosis
Buy exotic and impractical pets. (See Running Wild.)
Yerameyahu
Runners go up against little parts of those. We all know how weak and fragile runners are.
Karoline
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2010, 05:28 PM) *
Runners go up against little parts of those. We all know how weak and fragile runners are.

True, but they'd also be going up against little parts of the Mafia or whatever other group.
Yerameyahu
Oh, I thought they were talking about bosses.
Karoline
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2010, 05:39 PM) *
Oh, I thought they were talking about bosses.

Yeah, but bosses aren't the entire Mafia. That's like saying a exec in a corp is the entire corp.
Yerameyahu
Right, but I thought they were talking about the bosses specifically. With the investments and the screwing? Anyway, whatever. smile.gif
Angelone
Add a trap door and a pit to your main safehouse so you can feed those that offend you to the Rancor... I mean Piasma. Or a pit full of molten cheese for a very painful, ignoble, fonduey death.
CanRay
"Where does that pit go?" "Oh, that's Larry's room." "Larry?" "My roommate. He pays half the rent, the cable 'Trid bill, and doesn't eat too much from my fridge. Mainly because he's a Ghoul. Drinks all my beer, however..."
Christian Lafay
QUOTE (CanRay @ Oct 16 2010, 12:56 AM) *
"Where does that pit go?" "Oh, that's Larry's room." "Larry?" "My roommate. He pays half the rent, the cable 'Trid bill, and doesn't eat too much from my fridge. Mainly because he's a Ghoul. Drinks all my beer, however..."

Sounds like the perfect example of Perfect Roommate to me.....

"Larry! Help me clean up this..... disagreement." "Hell yeah! Delivery!"
CanRay
Actually, the first time I GMed Shadowrun, one PC had what we called "The Safehouse From Hell". It was such a miserable and horrible place that no one wanted to stay there.

And, yes, he had a Ghoul Roommate. He was a driver for Ghoul Cab.

And there was a feral Hellhound that stayed around the place. Boy, was the group pissed when he started chewing on things. Like the car.
Christian Lafay
Oh yeah, definitely going to throw that into my extremely broken Advanced Lifestyles lifestyle.
Neraph
QUOTE (Christian Lafay @ Oct 15 2010, 05:59 PM) *
Sounds like the perfect example of Perfect Roommate to me.....

"Larry! Help me clean up this..... disagreement." "Hell yeah! Delivery!"

Between you two I'm laughing out loud a lot. Man, that's gold.
Christian Lafay
I mean, why not? What better to add to a luxury lifestyle that only cost me 2,000 a month that has so many flaws any enemy can find it? Just need Larry and someone with the skills of Dexter, haha.

Does pose a question...... TO ANOTHER THREAD....!
Neraph
QUOTE (Neurosis @ Oct 15 2010, 03:03 PM) *
Buy exotic and impractical pets. (See Running Wild.)

And turn them into biodrones.
Wraith235
Shiawase Cybertooth tiger augmentation(dont recal the page) 750k (Roundabouts)
Neraph
And it dies in one full long burst. It was written poorly I think.

Heck, just buy a Warform dog. It's less than 500:nuyen: for a dog with its Reaction, Intuition, Logic, and Agility 50% higher - and then you can bio/cyber it a little but leave it as just a dog. Get it trained for combat situations and some other things and you're still at less than 5k (plus 'ware) for an actual companion that has a much, much lower chance of stabbing you in the back.
Karoline
QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 16 2010, 10:12 AM) *
And it dies in one full long burst. It was written poorly I think.

Heck, just buy a Warform dog. It's less than 500:nuyen: for a dog with its Reaction, Intuition, Logic, and Agility 50% higher - and then you can bio/cyber it a little but leave it as just a dog. Get it trained for combat situations and some other things and you're still at less than 5k (plus 'ware) for an actual companion that has a much, much lower chance of stabbing you in the back.

Don't most things die in one full long burst?

But none the less, I agree, just get a dog, or even better, a pack of dogs with pack training to get TacSoft like bonuses.
Neraph
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 16 2010, 10:19 AM) *
Don't most things die in one full long burst?

Really depends on who makes them.
Karoline
QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 16 2010, 10:19 AM) *
Really depends on who makes them.

Even with only 1 net hit, you're talking about 16P damage. Unless you're a troll in heavy milspec armor, that's going to be hard to soak enough to not go down.
Nifft
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 16 2010, 11:19 AM) *
I agree, just get a dog, or even better, a pack of dogs with pack training to get TacSoft like bonuses.

Cyberdogs with a PackSoft bonus, I like it. They remind me of the Tines from A Fire Upon the Deep.
Neurosis
My adept has a merlin hawk pet that according to the RAW knows and can cast ALL ILLUSION AND DETECTION SPELLS or some shit. It hasn't come in handy...yet. But it was definitely the result of a "what do I do with this NUUUUUUUUUUUUUYEN" purchase. (I would have bought a focus if I had the Karma.)
SleepIncarnate
For a TM, should always have an Evo Orderly or similar drone. Why? Put a registered machine/tutor sprite inside it with the command to keep you alive while you're gone, plug yourself in, and then go into the resonance realms for submersion or something else. Remember, time flows in weird ways while there, you could be gone 3 minutes or 3 days.
DeadLogic
GET THIS NOW.

That is all.
KarmaInferno
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 16 2010, 10:21 AM) *
Even with only 1 net hit, you're talking about 16P damage. Unless you're a troll in heavy milspec armor, that's going to be hard to soak enough to not go down.


Now you know why I sometimes feel guilty playing my drone rigger.

Most street level opposition simply isn't designed to face off against a battery of machine guns and grenade launchers.

grinbig.gif



-k
Karoline
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Oct 17 2010, 07:55 PM) *
Now you know why I sometimes feel guilty playing my drone rigger.

Most street level opposition simply isn't designed to face off against a battery of machine guns and grenade launchers.

grinbig.gif



-k

Most non-tanks aren't designed for that.
Karoline
QUOTE (DeadLogic @ Oct 17 2010, 07:28 PM) *
GET THIS NOW.

That is all.

I've been able to wrap my mind around being someone that can bend space and time to their will, but I can't wrap my mind around owning that. I think I would be too afraid of my Twisted Metal reflexes kicking in and having me drive over other cars to ever drive it.
KarmaInferno
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 18 2010, 12:00 AM) *
Most non-tanks aren't designed for that.

Heh.

I will say that hearing "W-what the hell is that, a fragging minigun?!" from the opposition just before they're verbally drowned out by gunfire is pretty sweet.



-k
DeadLogic
QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 17 2010, 11:15 PM) *
I've been able to wrap my mind around being someone that can bend space and time to their will, but I can't wrap my mind around owning that. I think I would be too afraid of my Twisted Metal reflexes kicking in and having me drive over other cars to ever drive it.


I'm just saying that I want a fleet of them... if I won the lotto... biggrin.gif
Saint Sithney
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Oct 17 2010, 09:20 PM) *
Heh.

I will say that hearing "W-what the hell is that, a fragging minigun?!" from the opposition just before they're verbally drowned out by gunfire is pretty sweet.



-k



heh
Xahn Borealis
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Oct 18 2010, 07:19 AM) *



I'll take 7.
CanRay
I'll never be cut off in traffic again...
TheScrivener
And the great part is, in 2070 caseless ammo means you don't even need to run the wipers to get rid of the rainstorm of brass...
CanRay
"In sports, an anonymous person purchased the Seattle Mariners today, and has released a press release stating that they will now be officially named the Seadogs..."
Karoline
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Oct 18 2010, 01:19 AM) *

They've used that on Mythbusters a few times. Good stuff.
Draco18s
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Oct 18 2010, 02:19 AM) *


Really? Awesome. <3
Kliko
Is there anything like a pop-up ring mount in SR?
Shinobi Killfist
QUOTE (Kliko @ Oct 18 2010, 05:19 PM) *
Is there anything like a pop-up ring mount in SR?



Pop up turret sure, but not ring mount.
Draco18s
QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Oct 18 2010, 05:25 PM) *
Pop up turret sure, but not ring mount.


Sure looks like a swiveling ring mount to me.
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