okI'm looking for suggestions for Casinos in Vegas.
Now europe might have quiet style and majesty but american casinos like glitter and Vegas more than anywhere else. in RL now there are themes like an Egypt themed pyramid shaped hotel, one italian themed complete with canals and gondolas, but what will there be in the 2070's? give me ideas go wild.

A dragon's hoard-themed casino springs to mind. Potentially owned by an actual dragon.

Love it.

Also, maybe an awakened only room, where competitors and spectators need to have astral sight for the game to work. The deck could even be an uncommon focus designed by the casino mages, which only reveals the card face on the astral.

"Spirits of '76"
- various spirit metaplane-related rooms twisted with an American overlay
- I'm getting an image: The Flame Room- lots of gold and red sparkles, red and gold stars and stripes, the waitresses are all redheads with little red and gold stars pasted on their ....

*ahem*

Some kind of magic themed one? With a pile of real magicians that run it. Use a lot of the 3d phantasm spells, plus invisibility for wait staff, etc.

The stratosphere V3, that really is into the stratosphere?

More overtly sexually themed hotel? (assuming Clark county abolishes their prostitution prohibition).

Some kind of Indian (as in NA type) theme?

I would be shocked if there weren't already Indian-themed casinos. I know there are Indian-run casinos. As for the others, they're all perfectly reasonable. I would totally go to a place where the waitresses were all hot and naked. "Sex sells" is axiomatic for a reason, after all.

A shadowrunner themed casino. Where guests are not simply allowed, but expected to wear longcoats and carry weapons

All the dealers would be dressed in business suits and have a name tag that reads 'Mr. J.'

I don't know of any.

Here's a list
http://vegasclick.com/vegas/casinos.html

Newsflash: Not all North American casinos are in Las Vegas.

This. maybe not real weapons, I can see that being an issue with whoever owned the thing, and security, but still, this.


I can think of four Indian-run ones in the Northwest with at least minor Indian themes. But one with a real heavy theme like that of the southwestern tribes in Vegas would be awesome.

What about a one that is partially or mostly virtual? Maybe you have to hack your way into games once you're in the building.

T I know they aren't. Tahoe and Atlantic City come to mind and the 2 indian casions in Vonnecticut, there's Sugar House near me in philly but most of these are just chrome and neon, in Vegas they seem to reach a new level of glitz and theme park like actions. RL Anthony bourdain's review of New York, New York was hilarious if you're a New Yorker.
"Too clean, it's disorienting, I'd jump off the brooklyn bridge here but the water below is only 6 inches deep....we're getting into my neighborhood now, behind each of those little windows is a tiny little homosexual... God this place should come with a warning sign for real New Yorkers."

In a recent book I read ,fiction, about a Casino that was Hell Themed. and another that was along the lines of b/w classic film noir.

also remember there could be attractions lured in-how many places have celbrety chefs setting up shop in their hotels. In RL Bobby Flay has a show where he challenges other chefs to cook offs, he had one against an Itlaian restaurant litterally accross the lobby from one of his Vegas places in the same hotel. Bourdain's essay on Vegas "Food and Loathing in Las Vegas" was to see if the restaurants of celebrity chefs in Vegas were realyl as good as their lfag ship places.

Stage shows like Elton John, Celine Dion, Several people have mentioned mage themed places but htink of the astage shows. Heck, Sigfried and Roy had a long running show until one of them got eaten. Liberace bordered on a magci show with the lgitz

I think kzt is acutely aware of this. There is after all an Indian casino just north of Abq on I-25. Doubles as a truck stop. I've purchased many a Mountain Dew and Chewy Spree for the road there.

So far some good ideas here. I think an interesting theme for a Vegas game is to show the players the dark underside of the Glittering City. They say that today you can get anything you want for the right price, image the kinds of high-end attractions they would have to offer the high-rollers of 2070. To-the-death fighting contests. Human slave trading. Saw (the movie) -style betting games where you observe some poor schmuck racing to save his life and bet on the outcome. Sex, drugs, rock and roll. You could even have things like astral tourism with the help of an entrepreneurial Free Spirt for the right price. Could be very interesting in deed.

With a powerful conjurer specialized in ancestor spirits and you can still see Celine Dion on stage in 2072.

I've been at 4 of the major Indian casinos in NM. None were really indian themed (or any themed compared to a vegas casino), they are just kind of generic casino, heavier on the slots and lighter on table games than a vegas casino. The one that became a Hard Rock now has a theme, but the others still not so much. However they have brought a lot of semi-major live music acts into town.

Hmm. Casinos aimed at customers with simsense modules or simrigs: you walk into Casino Noir and suddenly your vision is in black and white, with lots of dramatic lighting and shadows that non-simsense-receiving patrons can't see. Hell of a lot cheaper than physical lighting and effects. Casino Inferno would get you the heat of the flames, the reek of brimstone, completely realistic, tactile images of sinners being tormented, etc.

Celine cannot die. She will still be singing in 2072.

Shouldn't that be in the Hell themed one, then?

Sounds about right.

Regardless of current casino designs, I'm sure there's an Indian themed one in 207X, what with the political situation.

Orbital-themed might be another, or Luna themed (easier to ignore gravity). AR-overlay would only help.

An elf-themed one. Loathed by real elves, because it shamelessly caters to all the elf-wannabes.

Atlantis-themed; maybe it's actually submerged and the guests get some special gear to breathe underwater. And mermaids, of course. And shell-games.

mm, mermaids. Hopefully the fantasy style ones, human looking, with nice knockers. not the "realistic" ones, that are designed to survive in the kind of conditions they live in...

Regardless of the theme, casinos are designed to bring in everyone, from the guy who just got a dollar begging out front to the guy who'll risk a quarter million or more in a weekend. They're a thin veneer of something interesting, overlaying an operation that's supposed to remove your money from you, slowly, so you don't feel it. They would not have any where real weapons were allowed, and they would have all the best wards to protect against theft and cheating.

So yes, there would almost certainly be an elf themed place for the poseurs, and a troll and ork friendly place. Slot machines with magic and matrix themes, plus the very popular Neil the Ork Barbarian themed machines. Machines that you can enter into full VR to play on. Casino-only credsticks that you have to put money "on" before you can play, and then trade in when you're ready to leave the casino in the manner of the Ticket In/Ticket Out machines they use now.

And there will still be douchebags wearing backwards baseball caps and mirrored sunglasses while they play poker...

I have never seen a Vegas casino that prohibits legal concealed firearms. It just isn't an issue. I've seen a few clubs in the casinos that wouldn't let you in with weapon during busy periods, but they had a problem with a knife too, and they offered to have security hold them. Casino security pretty tight, but people who behave themselves don't see it other than the omnipresent camera domes.

HA! For that you get bumped up to member status.

Did you miss the part where we were talking about Vegas?

JP has it right, I don't think you'd get any Casinos that as a whole would be unaccessible to anyone. While a Casino might have a particular game or room devoted to Awakened, you'd never have an entire Casino because 1. There simply aren't enough awakened to support it and 2. The casino would never completely forgo all the potential unawakened customers.

As for Simsense, I think all casinos will have at least some level of it. I'm sure for example that people could see in AR which tables are 'hot' and perhaps leave floating AROs over people's heads that says that they've won XXXXXX nuyen. Most will likely also integrate added AR wallspace and things like that to 'enhance' the experience. And same goes for Simsense, they'd be crazy to not add some 'feel good' sensations to those stupid enough to let them. I think AR stuff would be the most focused on though. Remember, all you need are some 50 nuyen glasses or 75 nuyen contacts or some cybereyes. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Casinos include 'free' glasses/contacts (set up to only work in their casino of course) with a room or pass them out to people as they get chips (I'm convinced chips would remain)

There's a Hard Rock in NM? Where at?

I think the casinos would be a bit more brazen about the sex, drugs, nightlife, etc. But with the omnipresence of cameras in the seventies, what happens in Vegas gets broadcast to the world, in real time.

I wouldn't say that. The term 'casino' gets thrown around pretty loosely, and anything that contains slot machines is considered one. I could see a, say, six table operation catering strictly to the Awakened somewhere north of Fremont Street - you have to follow the astral signs to find the place. Hell, I could see it operating out of Jerry's Nugget off North LVB. I could even see a 'Fishman' themed operation on the shores of Lake Mead, catering to sportsmen and fish-people with a credit line. The sportsman-theme already exists.

What is it - the Outdoorsman, I think it's called? I think that's off the '15 headed towards the Arizona border. Hosts the local Bass Pro Shops, nearby the Automall you can see from LEO.

As for the Indian theme...Eh. The most NA-themed place I'd ever seen is called 'Mary & Moe's Wigwam' out of Fernley. Hell of a cafe, no tables, and about two dozen slots. Themes are meant to be loud and in-your-face to draw you in, and the machines are designed to keep you there. Everything is calculated down to the wall and carpet patterns to keep you inside and continue to seperate you from your nuyen. That would be why the doors are all heavily tinted and there are no windows on the casino floor.

Re: Sexdrugsr&r - Casinos get a greater market share catering to the whole family. That isn't to say they don't exist, but they aren't as mainstream. There's been a migration away from topless revues on the Strip and towards 'family-friendly' shows full of glitz and glamour, like Cher, Celine, or the Sigfried & Roy Tiger Snack Hour. If you want the seedier underbelly, well part of that's off Industrial. Gets me every time that a huge jewelry outlet is right next to some of the biggest strip bars in town.

Isleta Pueblo.

http://www.hardrockcasinoabq.com/

That makes every 7-11 in Vegas a "Casino". I prefer the definition that you have to have table games to count.

Save that NV state law says you don't - and every 7-11 in the state is not considered a Casino because that is not the primary purpose of a convencience store, as with most commercial buildings that have slot machines. In fact, they have their own separate licensing requirements.

Curiously, there are casinos that have no table games in Nevada - I recall Slot World in Carson City offhand (and another tasty cafe). I also think that the Nugget in downtown Reno (Go there just for the Awful-Awful and a basket of fries) has no table games, but it is indisputably a casino.

For some reason, I want to say the NV Gaming Commission won't approve licenses for table games unless the facility has X number of hotel rooms. I recall hearing this from a casino agent back in the day that this was the case, but I want to see if I can use my kung-fu and find corroborating evidence for that. There was a casino in Carson City, Pinon Plaza, that was piggybacking on the rest of the local network's hotel rooms to have table games and be a decent draw before Best Western bought it outright.

I'm sure this has little to no bearing on 2070, but the taxation based on gaming revenue might.

edit: Google-fu success. Eagle Rock Gaming (for people wanting to get into the casino business) describes a 'casino' as having an unrestricted gaming license, which requires having 200 hotel rooms.

A restricted license can be attained if gaming isn't the primary function of the establishment and/or there are fewer than 15 slots on the premises. Personally, I'm confused as hell as to how Slot World got a license under these requirements because they don't have rooms, though the Nugget is part of the network, and the network has rooms to spare.

There's already a place pretty much like this. I forget which hotel it is (by name), it's on the far side of the Strip, across the highway, and after a certain hour all the cocktail waitresses and girls dancing in the hot air balloon decorations go topless. In the Luxor, they have a restraunt where all the waitresses are also lingerie models, wearing the merchandise while they serve you in hopes that not only will you buy a meal, but some lingerie as well. Hell, in Vegas today, your average stripper is considered a 10 on most guy's scale of attractiveness, and the women that are only 9's become the escorts and hookers. In 2072 it would probably be taken to new levels, for example a casino where only elves are employed, and they have to be at least charisma 6 or 7 levels of attractiveness.

Other themes would probably be Go-Ganger/Urban Brawl themed, or Ork/Troll specific, or thrash rock, or any number of others. With the emergence of gradual acceptance of both TMs and AIs, there's likely a Matrix themed one, and in fact liable to be several that are entirely in the Matrix. Think of the coffin motels you see in Japan in modern times, but each of those sleeper pods is a full VR (cold sim) bay where you pay for full immersion and wander the casino's node for all the sights (sites?) to see, imagine yourself eating sumptuous meals, watch rendered shows, gamble in a virtual environment, etc etc

How about a "Classic" Vegas theme focused around all the classic hotels and casinos from the 1950's.

Hell, most of us who frequent Las Vegas now would be thrilled with a "classic vegas" themed resort. I'm sure there'll be one eventually...

Maybe it's all the Fallout: New Vegas I'm playing, but one based on the old "Rat Pack" days would be a nice change from all the AR stuff that's out and in your face. Wi-Fi Inhibitors prevent you from being interrupted while you play with REAL cards, REAL dice, REAL balls (In the roulette wheel, get your heads out of the gutters), and real, honest to goodness slot machines!

Live stage performances! And good, old fashioned adult-style entertainment! Up to, and including a fraggin' COURTESY PHONE if someone needs to get a hold of you.

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Also, my group found out that Las Vegas is part of the Native American Nation, and came up with the idea of the "Capital" of all the "Indian Casinos"... "The White Wigwam".

Yes, we're all going to the Special Hell.

Along with those who talk during movies

@Doc Chase - I didn't realize we were defining 'casino' as 'anywhere you can gamble' as opposed to 'a gigantic build/set of buildings dedicated to gambling and tending to those gamblers'. Basically I thought we were talking about big Casinos, not some guy's garage where he happened to set up a poker table and a couple slot machines. If that's what we're talking about, yeah, sure you could have an all awakened place.

I'm not sure the current family-friendly trend would persist into the SR era. On the one hand it'd fit SR4's middle-class sterility. On the other hand, this is cyberpunk. Family-friendly and cyberpunk don't get along. Other reasons: the sheer amount of disasters that's befallen the old USA would be enough to create a culture shock. Christianity is said to have declined due to the Awakening, which might be another blow to Family Values. And in the case of places like Denver and Seattle, you've got the "wild border town" thing going.

Pure VR casinos. No worries about nasty magicians and spirits messing up your odds, and most importantly: BTL. Also, you don't have to leave the corporate enclave.

Another one: the Discreet Casino. It's secure, very secure. Serious WiFi inhibition; camera neutralizers and white velvet-gloved staff that diligently removes all surveillance equipment people smuggle in. No commlinks, no cybereyes, no contact lenses with recording equipment allowed. You can get a choice of ordinary corrective glasses and lenses at the entrance. (Although the people who can afford this place can also afford flawless eyes.)
The whole idea is that the guests can enjoy themselves without it all getting recorded and broadcast. Nice for high rollers looking for a place to relax, maybe do some business. Also nice for corporate drones looking for a thrill without their boss spying on them.

Yeah, now you just have to worry about the machines artificially lowering your odds. Or do you mean from a Casino's point of view? I could see some serious issues with mages in games like craps and roulette, but then again, if all the staff is well trained in perception, has a decent int, vision enhancement, and the perception boosting bio/cyberware then it isn't that hard to spot them. And it is even easier to spot spells on the astral, so just have a few mages wandering around those sorts of games to keep an eye out for the bright glow of spells. And maybe have some of that magical glow moss stuff in the table so it lights up if anyone casts a spell at the dice/ball.

If you paid attention, you'd realize I'm not either.

I'm sorry but six tables and a slot machine does not say 'casino' to me. It says 'place where you happen to be able to gamble'. Kind of like the side of a mountain is a 'place where you happen to be able to ski' as opposed to a 'ski resort'.

How sure can people IRL be that the casino gives fair odds? I think they take a lot on faith. In a Matrix casino, creating the perception that the odds are fair should be easy.

But your point about the difficulty of spotting magic is quite valid; it's doable enough.

Well, currently there are laws regarding the payout of things like slot machines and video poker and such (not that that makes me trust them), but for things like craps, roulette, and cards, well, it is hard for the house to stack the deck any (more than they already do by putting the odds in their favor).

No, it's easy. crooked roulette wheels, weighted dice, etc. The authorities frown on such, and smart casino's know they can make enough from the house edge to not be worth it, but it's possible.

this is more of what I had in mind. By the casinos I don't just mean place to lose money but shopping, decorations, food, shows.

In the 1950's Flemming wrote about how all the casinos then were laid out to channel you into a gambling area, just going from a room to a restaurant or pool or lobby would pass you through an area where they could lighten your wallet for you. they've gotten better since then.

Not by much, I was just there 4 times last year (for work) and most of it was as I remembered as a child.... there's still a lot of funneling you to the gaming floors. One simple example? The decoration scheme in most rooms is designed to be ugly so you only go back to shower and sleep and spend the rest of your time in the casinos, restraunts, shows, etc.

Is it just me, or is the Ultra-Luxe creepy as hell? Even that one dude who doesn't wear a mask is dressed like Baron Samedi.

Anyways, I could totally see a casino like the Tops is SR. I could see Gomorrah even more.

I like the idea of a black casino only available to the heavily cybered where you bet and if you dont have the money to pay up they collect your ware or organs. Sometimes you can win secondhand ware or that heart transplant you so desperately needed.

A casino full of bodyleggers with a black market implant clinic in the back, a casino for the truly desperate, though it might be more of a gambling house.

Well, when you consider that they run the food supply to The Strip, and their Tribal Origins...

It took some doing, but I actually found out the reason they wear the masks, too!

I can see all three, and the Atomic Wrangler (A perfect example of a Barrens Tavern/Casino mixture, complete with scary prostitutes!) and the Vicky & Vance Casino as something on the side of the road on trips out of the Sprawl.

Honestly, I suggest folks at least *RENT* this game for ideas to steal. A lot of the side missions just have "Shadowrun" written right on them! And, if you replace Mr. House with a Dragon...

While Online Gambling (With VR Casinos) would probably be pretty big in SR, I would also see a big demand for "Old Fashioned" casinos as well. And, as we all know, if there's a demand, it will be filled. If not by the Corps or the Crime Syndicates, then retired Shadowrunners!

"The Panther Assault Cannon Bar and Casino, now open for business! With Blackjack! And Hookers!"

Awesome.

The Stakehouse, where losers get grilled. If you're lucky you might even get a comped cybersuite!

"Come to the Panther, where the drinks are cheaper, the slots are looser, and the women are like both!"

Don't count out the Azzies. They built the Seattle Pyramid, after all, so you know they're quite happy to bring some spectacle and lost cities of gold are a classic casino concept. Imagine what they could do with a megacorp bankroll and some AR.