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Dahrken
QUOTE (Charon @ Jan 11 2011, 05:25 AM) *
2 - How many runners have successfully sued DW for breach of contract? Considering they are using fake SIN, I'd expect the number to be close to zero.

I think it is even simpler than that, even with a real SIN. Someone cannot be contractually held to do something illegal, and actively preventing cops from arresting a criminal is illegal in most areas I know about, so even if you sue DocWagon you are going to loose.
kzt
If DocWagon is Extraterritorial they are a sovereign nation. You CAN'T sue them. The case will be thrown out. It's like the fools who sue the Indian tribe's casino when the casino decides that their million dollar jackpot is a software glitch. The tribes answer is "We are a sovereign nation and we claim sovereign immunity. Now get out before we have security chase you out with whips." Ok, maybe not the whips part. wink.gif

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_16273675
Sengir
QUOTE (Charon @ Jan 11 2011, 05:25 AM) *
As far as I'm concerned, the DW team will be scanning the radio and if they realize that you are the local law enforcement's target, they won't even show up. Not happy? What are you gonna do about it?

Again, read Missions. DocWagon will show up, drag the wounded out, and once they are patched up surrender them to the cops. If corps have conflicting interests and fighting it out would be bad for business, they divide the conflicted area in a way which serves both (and screws over Joe Average).
Doc Chase
QUOTE (Sengir @ Jan 11 2011, 12:11 PM) *
Again, read Missions. DocWagon will show up, drag the wounded out, and once they are patched up surrender them to the cops. If corps have conflicting interests and fighting it out would be bad for business, they divide the conflicted area in a way which serves both (and screws over Joe Average).


I'm surprised this is still even being debated. It's rather clear in the source material that this is the case wherever DocWagon has an agreement with the folks at large. If you're in their coverage area and they can cross corporate or government boundaries, they will pick you up and remand you when you're stable.
CanRay
If you're on public property, they are duty bound and contractually obligated to patch your ass up, even in "High Threat Situations", that's what it says in the contract. The small print just gives them excuses for getting out of areas where SWAT/National Guard/Paramilitary Nutbars are in the area. They will make sure to do that as, if it gets out that they won't do it under certain situations, they lose customers who will begin to wonder what OTHER situations they won't.

This usually happens with a loudspeaker blaring the declaration that Doc Wagon is here and all hostilities will cease or there will be consequences. And everyone's seen the more interesting High Risk Extractions that Doc Wagon does with Gattling Guns that lance out enough tracers to make it look like a damned laser beam of death!

Police Forces probably respect this as they are able to either immediately get the people they just shot (If they're not so bad that they don't need to be hospitalized), or can do the extradition paperwork thing if they are badly injured enough. And there's probably a unspoken gentleman's agreement between cops and legitimate crooks to stop fighting when Doc Wagon shows up, both being good customers of the company. Illegitimate criminals, on the other hand, will probably just rush the ambulance looking to steal whatever pharmaceuticals that can be used recreationally at the very least.
PBTHHHHT
QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jan 11 2011, 07:10 AM) *
I'm surprised this is still even being debated. It's rather clear in the source material that this is the case wherever DocWagon has an agreement with the folks at large. If you're in their coverage area and they can cross corporate or government boundaries, they will pick you up and remand you when you're stable.


Yeah, I can see this happening. But I can also see in the contract stipulation that they will abide by and not be held liable to their contract for instructions made to them by the local law enforcement who have legitimate law enforcement jurisdiction of the property. If its public property, Lone Star will trump Doc Wagon on the scene, and so what if you have a contract with Doc Wagon, its great if you're in the slums with zero Lone Star patrols, but if you're in a hot situation with them currently, Doc Wagon will not be blazing or intervene with Lone Star. They'll make a request and wait for permission to access the suspects. If not, ah well, they tried with all reasonable (and legal) efforts to extract you, so they will not be held liable.

The arguments that they'll lose customers, no, they will not for regular joe average, public abiding citizen, who will NOT be doing such things such as be in an entanglement with Lone Star. That Doc Wagon is acting legitimately and working with the local enforcement officers is fine with the joe public, if there is an incident, the corp can always ensure better PR spin to explain off why they could not go in after the client. The arguments of economics, well, LS and other law enforcement corp will probably be a bigger customer than the shadowrunner (professionals, not including gangers/organized crime) group as a whole in a city. The gangers as a whole won't be able to afford it, it'll be the organized crime who can afford it, but even that group is not as large or be as consistent with contracts.
Mardrax
DW rushing in, probably indeed requesting a cease fire, then extracting someone to a known and safe location, where LS has to fill out some paperwork -as opposed to risk their lives going in HTR style- to take him into custody is considered unfavourable by LS, why? Not to mention increasing the chances of getting a live witness.
I see little reason indeed for LS to object. Next to fluff saying they don't.
CanRay
Not to mention live prisoners.

Lone Star's other business is Prisons after all, and they're paid by the bodies.
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