I think they're just put up for release after the convention season's over (or at least I think that's the plan). I hope so.

Run/play an event at a foreign convention? They're not US only, and I'll gladly send them to anyone running SR events in other countries (though I can only send them in English, for the time being. Translations would be up to other people )

Like I said, there is a plan to release them to the general public at some point as well after the end of that years convention season. Probably as a bundle pack, probably at a fairly low price point, but that's not really up to me in the end.

For the 2010 ones, the problem is, again, finding the time to get them cleaned up and laid out into PDF (They're in text only format, and because of several factors, including rushing to get them done before the summer cons and because I hadn;t standardized a template for writing Missions yet, the files are all over the place in terms of how information is presented, what information is there, etc. I've been cleaning them up slowly, and they need to hit layout, but they're unfortunately really low priority right now. We need to get the SRM adventures out first.)

For the 2011 CMPs, I've been makng more of an effort to get those done in the proper format, and I even have teh first three fully laid out (if not fully proofed). Working on getting the rest done before Origins this year.

Bull

Releasing Emergence right after System Failure and putting the new AI uprising "a few weeks later", then introduce TMs to the general public would have worked.

Yeah, see my other post. There are some speed bumps to getting the 2010 Missions out, and time just ended up a huge factor in getting those "finished". (They're all playable, just not in a releasable format).

Bull

Note that 1) the sidebar is someone looking up the term "gagaistic" in a dictionary, and 2) Shadowrun diverges from our timeline in the mid-1980s, so our Lady Gaga is not the same Lady Gaga of Shadowrun's past. In the context of those points, I have no problem with "gagaistic" as a common term with mostly forgotten roots.

Consider it a coincidence that later on, in Shadowrun World, some artist by the name of Gaga showed up and was considered "offensive". I really don't think much people would be paying attention to her in a world where native americans are getting agressive and being transfered to concen-, er, correctional facilities, weird babies are popping up here and there and DRAGONS are flying around.

The Whole Lady Gaga thing is just stupid.
It shows a complete lack of creativity on the part of the author.

Eh, I wouldn't say that.

But current-day pop culture references are generally a bad idea in works like this. They not only tend to get dated, they break immersion like crazy.



-k

I'd agree with that.

I'm also trying to noodle out why Horizon would outlaw an author.

Maybe he tried for form a Writer's Union? AAAs are legally obligated to Union Bust as hard as possible.

She didn't, no. She tried to get published through Horizon and got told no, but the editor read the book anyway and added a secondary email to tell the author not to stop writing. She goes through pirate publishers, sells better than several Horizon-backed books, they try to offer her a contract. She says no, they outlaw the books.

Attitude, Page 170.

Pink Mohawks are going to make a comeback in the artwork?

well, they WERE trying to go back to more cyber /street PUNK with SR4 . . of course, in my opinion, they failed horribly . . but they tried . .
i'd like neon green or electric blue mohawks more myself, but eh, it IS called pink mohawk for a reason i guess ^^

This exactly. That retarded fugly chick in my shadowrun book shattered the immersion. just Boom. Granted I hadn't gotten that far in the book yet but when someone gave me a page number and I read that. I threw up in my mouth a little.

I'm ignoring it. Sticking a postit over that side bar or something. *Waves hand* It doesn't exist.

It's not that bad. At least they didn't use Bi-winning or Sheenvincibility.

Or Snook-ease, a brand of orange full-body dye named for famous 21st century celebrity, Snooki.

Uggg guys. Don't give um ideas. Remember for a book to be printed today it was probably turned in 6 months to a year ago.. Don't give um ideas!!!

I will say.. if Snooki appears in Shadowrun.

That's it. I'll quit.

Don't worry. I'll personally bludgeon any freelancer taht tries to put any Jersey Shore crap into Shadowrun.

Bull

I'll hold um down for you.

Have you SEEN Bull?
Big Orky Fella like him don't need no help holding people down *snickers*

What if we sneak it into Data Haven?

Sneak carefully... very very carefully.

*whistles*

My character Nas has a Powder-Blue Mohawk.

If I can harp back for a moment on the Iron Will, how big are these things? I can't imagine them being as large as say... the lifter from Aliens, but we aren't given any real relative size on it. No artwork to get a good gauge or real description of the item.

OK, prequel to 4th Ed using 4th Ed rules would also have worked...even sound quite nice from the fist impression.

@X-K: Body six means it's large enough for a reinforced (3 slots) turret (2) Weapon Mount plus Armour (1) up to Bodx3. Or how about a standard (1) flexible (1) mount on each arm, 18 Armor (1) again, and a Nano-Maintainance system?

Aliens lifter sounds about right to me.

Well, that's where it gets interesting. The Steel Lynx is only Body 4 and is pretty damn big. Of course, it also has a built in gun mount and armor. Then you have the Suzuki Mirage which is a sport bike that has 6 body. I own a motorcycle and they are not that big. You figure these "drones" are just servos, actuators, and frames, that only reduce agility by 1, not to 1, and it becomes hard to figure out just how big and unwieldy these things are.

Body = Size is one of the "Huh?" rules of 4th.

Except not really. Artwork between the Mirage and the Steel Lynx says otherwise. Damn you, rules! *shakes fist*

Body = general Size is only true for non anthroform drones, for everythink else there isn't that much connection between body attribute and size, except for more body is generally bigger.

Alright, just finished going cover to cover.

Artwork is very good for the most part, and more than passable even at the worst. The intro fiction for the chapters that have it works well and there is useful information for both players and GMs throughout the book.

Several sections are particularly useful if any group wants to do a few runs in LA and go for the whole glamour lifestyle there, particularly the Trid Scene chapter.

I personally didn't see much in the fashion styles presented in the book that particularly appealed to my character, but your mileage may vary, and one of the whole points of fashion is to make it fit you (or in this case, your character). There are certainly plenty of options provided. /dev/grrl actually has a use in this one without sounding like a complete corporate brainwashed idiot which is a nice change.

Overall view: very well written with lots of good shadowtalk that mostly seems to be properly in character. If this is the look of things to come then the Shadowrun line is back on its feet.

EDIT: Ok, I just realized I now have the rules to make a t-shirt that's 9/2 armor. It'll cost 1200 but it can be done.

Maybe /d/'s brainwashing is starting to break? I mean, she has a whole community of malcontents helping to break it...

To be fair, she's talking about things that are probably her favourite subjects, primarily fashion since she narrates about half of that chapter.

Teenage girls talking about clothes and makeup... sounds about right

I like Dev/grrl. where's the hate comin' from? lol

From the fact that she's coming across like a 14 year old non otaku hacker/script kiddie that got invited to a meet and greet on a board with people like immoral elves and great dragons.
She does not fit with the grimdark tone the veterans that usually make up in there . . also, she wrote a frigging school paper about DEUS, one of the 3 great AI's that nobody was supposed to know about.

*Chuckles* Wouldn't that indicate she's a prodigy and has some serious skills?

Anyone know who her parents are?

Corp people. I remember that much. She's in the Corp guide giving the 411 on Growing up a corp kid. I remember one part about her talking about her parents meeting in an inner corp mixer or something.

Heh, corp insider that is too young to be properly indoctrinated in the company ways. And with a bit of "luck" she may spill some internal matters she overheard to try and curry favor with the jackpoint big wigs.

Well that's the thing. in Corp guide they talk about those Corp indoctrinations and such. So she was witness to them but bucked the system.

A proper punk in the making

That's what they want her to think...

I've said it before, hand her over to me, she'll be a nice anti-corporate, Molotov-throwing Pink Mohawk in no time!

The description states it's about 2 and a half meters tall.

So, troll-sized, more or less.



I was going to point out how this was a typo but then I realized it really wasn't.





-k

Does anyone on the JackPoint even have Morals?

Sure they do. They may just not be the same ones that the next guy has. Remember morality is a taught trait, not an imborn imperative. And it's not a 'yes/no' sort of thing either. It's a huuuge swath of gray, darker on one end of the chart than the other..

OK, allow me to rephrase...

Are there any members of the JackPoint that aren't borderline-sociopaths, or full-on sociopaths?

...

Maybe Frosty and Sunshine.

Sure there are. Not all of um are "Kill um all and let god sort um out" Many have moral codes they follow. Some don't kill women, some don't kill kids. Some won't kill innocents at all. Lots of members of Jackpoint are hackers and don't kill anyone. Some won't steal but will kill and some will steal but not kill.

Are some sociopathic? Sure some are. I think Kane has shown that he's right on out there. lol

How many long-term, successful, Shadowrunners do you think there are out there that don't have some sort of mental issue that keeps them from dwelling too long on the nature of their business? I'd say borderline-sociopathy is something of a job requirement, really.

No no, that was on purpose ^^


'em . . not um . . 'em . . it's short for them . . .
it is not thum and thus not um but 'em. hhnngg