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Pepsi Jedi
Attitude PDF is up for sale.

$20.

178 pages (( including cover))

Chapters on forming a shadowrunning band.
The music scene
The trid scene
The BTL Scene
Playing Ball (pro sports)
Pirate media
Celebrity time
Be your own boss
Driving off the edge
The right crowd (( looks like char run downs))
In their face (( Fashion and gear))
How the other half lives (( more gear)
Body mods (( tattoos coloring insertions, grafting branding)
and a Fashionista's guide.
Yerameyahu
Which of those provide combat bonuses? I do see 'gear'. biggrin.gif
Makki
it's for Faces, what Street Magic is for the awakened and Unwired for Hackers/TMs
http://watermark.drivethrustuff.com/pdf_pr...9433-sample.pdf
at least I hope
Stahlseele
What the fuck is wrong with that pdf file?
it's slow as hell, no matter if i download it or try and open in in a browser . .
Also: who does that intro blurb remind me of?
BlackHat
Ran out and bought this one right away. smile.gif

Haven't had a chance to digest it yet, but so far it looks awesome.
hermit
Anyone bought it and wants to share? the Preview looks a little ness like a trainwreck than War!, and some of the authors have delivered on SR before - and the one person present from the War Team is Filamena Young, who probably wrote the half decent parts of it ... still, anyone got anything on this thing?
Pepsi Jedi
I'm just getting into it (( juggling both kids right now)) but it's reading ok so far. The intro fiction was interesting. It actually references the cover and the girl there and how 'Real' shadowrunners don't dress like that, but how people THINK they do, and because perception can define reality it's a feedback loop that has to be played into a little.

It's not going to be full of guns or stuff guys. It's not that kinda book. It's about the stuff around the edges. Not a gear list.

I'm in the "What are shadowrunners and where do we come from" Chapter. Again.. it's nothing your runner is going to strap on and shoot at someone, but it might help you flesh out WHY your Runner is running to start with. Where he came from. Why he's a shadowrunner instead of a cop, or a military guy, or a hood rat or whatever.

It's kinda funny the guy that's collected the information is getting picked on a bit by some of the badasses but it seems he's a bit better than they expected. And has alot of information that they didn't really realize they gave out.
JM Hardy
Here I am about to start a thread on this, and it already exists. Thanks for getting it going! Anyway, PDF and pre-orders are on the Battleshop, PDF also on Drivethru, and a (hopefully) fine description on the Shadowrun4.com website. Enjoy!

Jason H.
Yerameyahu
I hope you're dead wrong, Makki. The last thing we need is anything more for Faces. smile.gif
Pepsi Jedi
QUOTE (JM Hardy @ Mar 15 2011, 06:45 PM) *
Here I am about to start a thread on this, and it already exists. Thanks for getting it going! Anyway, PDF and pre-orders are on the Battleshop, PDF also on Drivethru, and a (hopefully) fine description on the Shadowrun4.com website. Enjoy!

Jason H.


Yeah. I bought it about 2 minutes after it went up. lol The announcement wasn't even on the SR page yet. Someone posted it on FB and it was mine. Muahahahaha. Looks good on the Ipad too.
BlackHat
#1 favorite thing so far is a gear section with gear that standard PCs can actually pick up. biggrin.gif

Most of it is pretty mundane stuff (brands of clothes, more options for armored clothing, tatoos, etc) but at least its not milspec (availability 24+)
Yerameyahu
Can you imagine milspec tattoos and and fashionwear? biggrin.gif "Damn baby, you must be ex-special-forces, because that is a military-grade dress!"
Pepsi Jedi
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 15 2011, 06:56 PM) *
Can you imagine milspec tattoos and and fashionwear? biggrin.gif "Damn baby, you must be ex-special-forces, because that is a military-grade dress!"


you mean like the (( DIFFERENT)) Uniforms every nation (( and corp)) in the world wears?

Or the unit tattoos that the hard core sport?

Or how wearing the wrong uniform in the wrong place can get you killed?

Or the right one in the right place can get you information or aid.

Like that? *Grins*

There's alot more to the game than "My gun does 12 dice damage" Some people like the immersion.
Yerameyahu
I meant items with avail 24+, actually. wink.gif So, yes, some uniforms. Probably not 'fashionwear'.
hermit
Aright, bought it. I'm a sucker for fashion stuff. Review coming up short-ish. Looks better than War!, from a short glance-over.
Ascalaphus
That teaser looks pretty nifty. I think I want this one.
Pepsi Jedi
*Chuckles*

"Side note: He mention Corps' shit lists. Do you know who they hire for those kinds of traces? Have you ever met the guy that knows the page references in novels, and lives to explain frame rates and polygon refreshing AR? That guy. Most of society thinks the paranoid obsessive cretins of the world are not useful. A good corp knows the value of the Nerd.
Turbo Bunny "

lol that's awesome.
ravensmuse
Hm, gonna be interested in reviews of this one. Will it make me buy it? Nope. Will it make me buy it used? Possibly! Considering that the entertainment sector is what I'm writing for Data Haven, I think you know where I lie...
Pepsi Jedi
Ok. Page 23... Lesson about garbage disposals. Cracked me up. LOL
BlackHat
Haven't read it cover to cover, but I made it through the crunchy bits in some detail. There are more useful items that I thought. The wearable drone jumps out at me as something that is unlikely to be allowed into most games. (Strength becomes 8, but agility is reduced by 1?)
Sengir
Preview looks good so far, but given that this is the first post-War! book I'll hold on to my money until reading a couple of reviews, or reading the extra-large preview somewhere wink.gif

PS: The TOC mentions "The Elementals"...I know I've read something about that, but I just can't put teh finger on it...
BlackHat
Looks like a band.
CanRay
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Mar 15 2011, 07:48 PM) *
Looks like a band.

Three-Chords and the Truth, or Corporate?
Glyph
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 15 2011, 03:47 PM) *
I hope you're dead wrong, Makki. The last thing we need is anything more for Faces. smile.gif

But faces are so underpowered! biggrin.gif
Critias
QUOTE (Makki @ Mar 15 2011, 05:21 PM) *
it's for Faces, what Street Magic is for the awakened and Unwired for Hackers/TMs
http://watermark.drivethrustuff.com/pdf_pr...9433-sample.pdf
at least I hope

I guess there's nothing stopping you from seeing it that way, but I disagree. It's "for" everybody, and it's pretty much the opposite of the rules-heavy Street Magic, Arsenal, etc. It might be only the Face in your games that cares about popular Sixth World culture, but that doesn't mean only the Face should. Attitude covers sports, tridshows, the news, all kinds of stuff in mainstream -- and, yes, shadow -- society.
David Hill
QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 15 2011, 07:58 PM) *
*Chuckles*

"Side note: He mention Corps' shit lists. Do you know who they hire for those kinds of traces? Have you ever met the guy that knows the page references in novels, and lives to explain frame rates and polygon refreshing AR? That guy. Most of society thinks the paranoid obsessive cretins of the world are not useful. A good corp knows the value of the Nerd.
Turbo Bunny "

lol that's awesome.


I was hoping someone would dig that. Glad you liked it.


QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 15 2011, 06:35 PM) *
What the fuck is wrong with that pdf file?
it's slow as hell, no matter if i download it or try and open in in a browser . .
Also: who does that intro blurb remind me of?


You know, I noticed the same thing. But, I got it working in Foxit Reader really well, if that helps.
Pepsi Jedi
Just finished the first chapter. The shadow talk seemed a lil pissy there for some of it. lol They're not all happy fluffy that's for sure.

The Doc Wagon thing.. awesome. lol
Raven the Trickster
QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 15 2011, 11:00 PM) *
Just finished the first chapter. The shadow talk seemed a lil pissy there for some of it. lol They're not all happy fluffy that's for sure.

The Doc Wagon thing.. awesome. lol


Just finished it too, and you're right, awesome biggrin.gif
Grinder
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 15 2011, 11:40 PM) *
Anyone bought it and wants to share? the Preview looks a little ness like a trainwreck than War!, and some of the authors have delivered on SR before - and the one person present from the War Team is Filamena Young, who probably wrote the half decent parts of it ... still, anyone got anything on this thing?


Plus David A. Hill Jr., iirc.
CanRay
Slowly working my way through it, and realized that we don't see much written BY FastJack himself. (And worried about his Daughter, eh? Hm, I wonder where that idea came from.).

Anyhow, reading it, I can't help but picture Spider Jerusalem sitting down in his easy chair, telling the TV Wall to "Entertain Me" while stroking "That Damned Cat".

All he needs now is a Bowel Disruptor.
Pepsi Jedi
By this point Fastjack is in his 50s isn't he? He's more the "old man" of the group. He delegates. lol He has for the last few runs anyway. He chimes in now and then but mostly it's "I found this expert to fill you all in on this subject"
phlapjack77
QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 16 2011, 02:19 PM) *
By this point Fastjack is in his 50s isn't he? He's more the "old man" of the group. He delegates. lol He has for the last few runs anyway. He chimes in now and then but mostly it's "I found this expert to fill you all in on this subject"

From the main book, he says he was born in 1999 - so he's like 73 or so I think
Pepsi Jedi
kk well there we go. Even more so. And while I'm sure he can afford the tech to come off much younger than he seems. He's still not likely to be a front line sort. He's the respectiable 'old man' of the shadow run scene now. After Chaos died/went into the matrix.
Larsine
QUOTE (Sengir @ Mar 16 2011, 01:40 AM) *
Preview looks good so far, but given that this is the first post-War! book I'll hold on to my money until reading a couple of reviews, or reading the extra-large preview somewhere wink.gif

PS: The TOC mentions "The Elementals"...I know I've read something about that, but I just can't put teh finger on it...

One hint: Total Eclipse

There is a ton of references to old adventures and old sourcebooks, especiall in The Music Scene chapter.

As an oldtimer I really like this.

Lars

hermit
QUOTE
The wearable drone jumps out at me as something that is unlikely to be allowed into most games.

Wearable drone, wtf ... well, at least I can use those rules for my Space Marines ...

QUOTE
Plus David A. Hill Jr., iirc.

Of course. I was up late, in my excuse. Well, maybe he has learned to use Grammar by now.

QUOTE
Anyhow, reading it, I can't help but picture Spider Jerusalem sitting down in his easy chair, telling the TV Wall to "Entertain Me" while stroking "That Damned Cat".

All he needs now is a Bowel Disruptor.

*giggle* Amusing image.

Well, on with the review. Firstly: It has an introduction. Seems this basic thing has been kept in mind with this. And it even ties in the well drawn but retarded tit window cover. Nice work, people (probably) long gone - if that's an idea by a new author, kudos. Also, proofers! Yay for quality control. Kudos to them all. If War taught me anything it's how valuable, yet underrated, these guys are.

However - and this is a question more than a nitpick: is "You’ll be caught up on fashion trends like" a sensible way to put "you will know about fashion trends"? Always thought that was 'have caught up'.

Posting more as I read deeper into this. I'll go about it page by page, even though I'm sort of itching to find out about the wearable drones. Especially how they handle IP.
Sengir
QUOTE (Larsine @ Mar 16 2011, 09:18 AM) *
One hint: Total Eclipse

That's it, the guys with the ritual song. Thanks!


QUOTE (BlackHat @ Mar 16 2011, 01:24 AM) *
Haven't read it cover to cover, but I made it through the crunchy bits in some detail. There are more useful items that I thought. The wearable drone jumps out at me as something that is unlikely to be allowed into most games. (Strength becomes 8, but agility is reduced by 1?)

Somehow my imagination has been tainted by countless variations of powered armor and military exoskeletons, so how does a wearable drone in a culture sourcebook look like?


PS: And a plea to CGL: Create one sharp background image (either high-res bitmap or vector graphic) for the Jackpoint page and use that in all future products. The fluctuating image quality across PDFs is just weird, and sometimes it looks really bad...based on the preview, Attitude seems to be somewhere in the middle wink.gif
hermit
QUOTE
Somehow my imagination has been tainted by countless variations of powered armor and military exoskeletons, so how does a wearable drone in a culture sourcebook look like?

Maybe Attitude also has a map - who knows?

I second the plea about vector graphics.
David Hill
QUOTE (Grinder @ Mar 16 2011, 12:13 AM) *
Plus David A. Hill Jr., iirc.


Yeah. I worked on War!. I also have an upcoming Horizon Adventures bit, and a couple of other things in the pipeline.

QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 15 2011, 11:00 PM) *
Just finished the first chapter. The shadow talk seemed a lil pissy there for some of it. lol They're not all happy fluffy that's for sure.

The Doc Wagon thing.. awesome. lol


Pissy was a goal. Attitude's the name of the bit, I figured I'd dial it up a bit.

Thanks on the DocWagon thing, too.
David Hill
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 16 2011, 04:26 AM) *
Of course. I was up late, in my excuse. Well, maybe he has learned to use Grammar by now.


Nope. However, I'm pretty good with Proper Nouns.
phlapjack77
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 16 2011, 04:26 PM) *
However - and this is a question more than a nitpick: is "You’ll be caught up on fashion trends like" a sensible way to put "you will know about fashion trends"? Always thought that was 'have caught up'.

"You'll be caught up on..." can be used, it has a similar meaning to "You'll be brought up to speed on..." or "You'll be briefed / taught about..."
hermit
QUOTE
Nope. However, I'm pretty good with Proper Nouns.

Will you pay me for my forum posts? Then we'll talk. grinbig.gif

QUOTE
"You'll be caught up on..." can be used, it has a similar meaning to "You'll be brought up to speed on..." or "You'll be briefed / taught about..."

Thanks. I was unfamiliar with that.
phlapjack77
QUOTE (David Hill @ Mar 16 2011, 06:42 PM) *
Nope. However, I'm pretty good with Proper Nouns.

In his defense, isn't he German?
hermit
That too. But I just didn't check the post for spelling. Usually, I try to catch me using German capitalisation rules, so it was a reasonably fair jab. Of course, I could also say he now owes me $18 then ...
Larsine
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 15 2011, 11:35 PM) *

Is that bad?

If Deus Ex: Human Evolution looks like Shadowrun, and the intro to Attitude, then who do you think inspired, and who was inspired?

Are you suggesting Attitude is a rip of of Deux Ex?

Wondering...

Lars
David Hill
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 16 2011, 06:03 AM) *
That too. But I just didn't check the post for spelling. Usually, I try to catch me using German capitalisation rules, so it was a reasonably fair jab. Of course, I could also say he now owes me $18 then ...


Then you're unfamiliar with pay in the RPG industry wink.gif

No offense meant. Just poking fun. I'm not certain what specific grammatical errors I made in War, although in my defense I wasn't paid as the editor for that book. I'm sure I made mistakes. Could I have spent more time combing through my text for errors? Possibly. But when I'm on short deadlines, and have to do other work to pay the bills, sometimes I have to weigh the value of doing extra edits on something that's being handed to an editor anyway.


QUOTE (Larsine @ Mar 16 2011, 06:17 AM) *
Is that bad?

If Deus Ex: Human Evolution looks like Shadowrun, and the intro to Attitude, then who do you think inspired, and who was inspired?

Are you suggesting Attitude is a rip of of Deux Ex?

Wondering...

Lars



While I didn't write the intro, I will say that the writing for this book was done far before the Human Revolution material started filtering out into the public. IIRC, it was about a year and a half ago.
hermit
QUOTE
Then you're unfamiliar with pay in the RPG industry

Well, it's the retail price of war, but yeah, it's 3 ct/word or something?

QUOTE
No offense meant. Just poking fun. I'm not certain what specific grammatical errors I made in War, although in my defense I wasn't paid as the editor for that book. I'm sure I made mistakes.

None taken. I lashed out, you jabbed back, all fair game. smile.gif Btw, if you wrote Bogotá (I think you did?), you made several rather glaring spelling errors like 'carniverous' that should have been caught in a spellcheck. Of course, that's usualy what proofers are for, so blaming you for the mistakes down the chain maybe is a bit unfair. Still, carniverous ... what is it with English natives and vowels anyway? I notice that a lot. Not directed at you personally, I'm just wondering.

QUOTE
While I didn't write the intro, I will say that the writing for this book was done far before the Human Revolution material started filtering out into the public. IIRC, it was about a year and a half ago.

Alright, then it's a Molly Millions/Gibson reference, I guess. Just, the similarities ARE striking.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 16 2011, 05:03 AM) *
That too. But I just didn't check the post for spelling. Usually, I try to catch me using German capitalisation rules, so it was a reasonably fair jab. Of course, I could also say he now owes me $18 then ...


I don't know, wouldn't you owe HIM $18 for the Editing Process? biggrin.gif
hermit
QUOTE
I don't know, wouldn't you owe HIM $18 for the Editing Process?

Since that's done at CGL by author support, sans pay, from what I heared, I guess ... no. wink.gif
KarmaInferno
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 15 2011, 05:35 PM) *
What the fuck is wrong with that pdf file?
it's slow as hell, no matter if i download it or try and open in in a browser . .

I had the same problem, opened it up in Acrobat Pro, used the "reduce file size" tool set to "4.0 or later" compatibility.

Result: File size reduced about a megabyte, PDF pages load almost instantly now, no apparent loss of detail.

[edit] Crap, lost the Bookmarks as part of the process. Will have to look on this further



-k
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 16 2011, 06:59 AM) *
Since that's done at CGL by author support, sans pay, from what I heared, I guess ... no. wink.gif

Heh... Fair Enough... smile.gif
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