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Kesendeja

Apr 20 2011, 03:57 AM

QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 19 2011, 11:47 PM)

I dig: it's like Muscle Toner without that pesky surgery or Essence loss. Does it count as Augmented? Does it alter the Augmented Max? Does it cost as much as getting it with BP (or Karma, later)? It just seems like something that shouldn't exist, given the game mechanics. If it's just a 'race-building' rule, not intended for actual characters, then it's more understandable.

If it's not, though… the powergamers *already* rush to get Exceptional, Metagenic, and Genetic Improvement, and all of those are *much* worse deals.

It counts as augmented. And I intended it as race building only, but if a GM wanted I don't see why they couldn't use it normally. As for the powergamers, they'll find a way to break the system no matter what we do, so I tend to ignore them.

Yerameyahu

Apr 20 2011, 04:09 AM

Hehe, I agree, but that's no reason to help them. I'm not ragging on you, just comparing to the very similar options in the rules (including the normal attribute-raising mechanic).

Did you go ahead and run the numbers on the existing races/critters to see how their attribs measure up? I wonder.

Kesendeja

Apr 20 2011, 04:15 AM

QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 19 2011, 11:09 PM)

For some of them, but there didn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to the costs. Most got way more benefits than it should have cost. It worked out that it costs anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4 of the points to be the race as it does to actually build it. That included taking the negatives into account.

Fyndhal

Apr 20 2011, 05:12 PM

Regarding humanoids with wings:

This has been covered many times in science fiction, but for me the best example comes from John Varley's Titan -- not only does the book go into some detail on the necessary structural changes necessary to give the human body flight, it includes an illustration of the final product.

Angels by Freff

Xahn Borealis

Apr 20 2011, 05:15 PM

Wings are fun in Eclipse Phase. Not only are they cheap, but because most habitats have lower gravity than on Earth, you don't need to make any major changes to the body!

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