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Neraph
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 12 2012, 02:00 PM) *
Neraph is arguing quite sensibly. You refuse to listen to his (her) arguments because you've gotten fixated upon and locked-up on a meaningless turn of phrase.

I am man.

QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 12 2012, 05:46 PM) *
It *is* amusing when Neraph points out these poorly-written rules, but no one seriously thinks (well, no one serious, anyway) that the broken RAW is what you should play by.

That is mostly the point of what I do. To quote myself from a couple years ago: "The rules of any game are like unto a box. However, while most people think of the box as a perfect cube or rectangular prism, it is the duty of those such as myself to fully explore the realm of the rules, and in doing so we find that this wondrous landscape is no perfect cube nor a rectangular prism, but a glorious polyhedron, with interesting and oft-times humorous oddities of the landscape hidden inside its many, many crevices."
KarmaInferno
I still don't see what's so complicated.

By RAW, yes, the rules allow one to remove Obsolescent and Obsolete.

Whether or not this was intended by the authors is a separate question.

However, it is also true that the rules do not provide enough data to actually perform the removal. To take advantage of the allowance requires houseruling of stats by a gamemaster. So, by strict book rules, you're allowed to do this thing, but can't actually accomplish it due to incomplete data.

Which means, in conclusion, that the rules here are incomplete and require clarification one way or the other.

Either the authors intended for this to happen, and we need official stats for the installation and removal of these options, or they did not intend for this to happen and the rules need to be clarified to express this intent.

The real problem, of course, is Catalyst's horrid track record at responding in any official capacity to rules clarification requests.

If we could ask Cataylst, "Hey, this rule, how is it supposed to work?" and get an actual timely response from them, well, I don't think we would get even a quarter of the rules arguments we see in Shadowrun.



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