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Don't take it too seriously.

Ignore this. Take EVERYTHING seriously. Never has anyone made a jest on this board, in the entire history of it. Do not be the first.

Also, I refrain from voting in this poll. I'll just vote when the official one comes up.

The official survey is out. Did we call it, or what?

Where is that?

I like the expanded Seattle idea, but I can't help but think that if the game is successful they'll add that later anyway, whether its DLC or whatever. There is no control though over the second city besides this vote. Even after this poll, if and when they come to add future DLC they'll refer back to this and see what was popular with the fans. Therefore IMHO expanded Seattle is a waste of a vote. Saying that, I still haven't decided where my actual vote is going yet

My guess is that they'd be just as likely to DLC extended Seattle as they would whatever other location got second in the poll. So, how is a vote for anything wasted really?

I must admit, I'm kind of torn.

Well, seeing how Hamburg did not make it in, i voted for Berlin.
Just hope they don't fuck it up like it sounds from that text there.

Lofwyr and Saeder-Krupp Headquarters have ALWAYS been in ESSEN in the Rhine-Ruhr-Megaplex.
That's a pretty major fubar . .

~erm~ I was slightly amused to read similar words from a certain "Emperor" on the german boards, but somehow my English skills seem to have dwindled, because "home to many of Europe’s top corps, including the great dragon Lofwyr’s Seader-Krupp and Daimler-Benz, and home to Europe’s biggest collection of fixers, data thieves and gangs." does nowhere imply that Saeder-Krupp's headquarters are located there. It merely says that the named corporations have facilities there.

Did Saeder-Krupp actually have facilities in Berlin according to canon material (or the not-so-canon material in german)?
Same question goes for Daimler-Benz

Anyway there is more, the city is not divided in 2050. The wall doesn't go through Berlin, it goes around it. If you are looking for cities with walls within their border, vote for Denver.

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So at most, you should get your mail in 3 Days i'd guess.

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What city would you like us to add to Shadowrun Returns?

BERLIN--Berlin has seen many wars in its history and the Awakened World did not spare it. The EuroWars left it crushed yet again, but like a phoenix it continues to rise from the ashes. While the more modern western half turned to the corps, the more volatile eastern residents voted with their Molotov cocktails that anarchy was the way to go. The result is that Berlin is a dynamic dichotomy; home to many of Europe’s top corps, including the great dragon Lofwyr’s Seader-Krupp and Daimler-Benz, and home to Europe’s biggest collection of fixers, data thieves and gangs. Every runner considers it a badge of honor to run the streets of Berlin.

CHICAGO--In the early 2050s, Chicago was your typical massive American sprawl. At least it was until anarchists blew up the Sears Tower. The falling debris destroyed blocks’ worth of buildings crushing thousands of people. No one has rebuilt any of it in the years since; the ghosts of the dead are said to haunt the area, and the increasing presence of ghouls there earned it the name “Shattergraves.” The rest of the Loop was likewise left to rot, and eventually become fully controlled by the Mafia. And don’t even get us started on the bugs! More and more of these magical entities that see humanity as a good place to lay their eggs seem to appear there.

DENVER--The Treaty of Denver balkanized this city and now 6 countries control of parts of this sprawl. In an arrangement that made almost nobody happy, the new “owners” decided to wall off their sections from each other. That turned Denver into a smuggler’s paradise and a shadowrunner’s secret love…so many borders, so much valuable goods to sneak across them ... who could ask for anything more? And if that wasn’t enough to get a runner’s blood going, Denver is home to the Nexus. Known as the Denver Data Haven, it is the North American hub of information, and data exchange. And remember children-- knowledge is power.

HONG KONG--Hong Kong finds itself now as an independent city/state in 2050. Both ancient and modern Hong Kong seems to be at peace on the same island. It’s corporate sponsored City Center rivals any in the world for splendor and corporate intrigue. All the megcorps are there as well as all smaller ones that love to think they can play with the big boys (and maybe even steal a secret or two). Yet, just outside the city center you will find ancient temples and shrines. Each one is situated on the many Dragon Lines that cross the island. Dragon Lines are mysterious and powerful paths of magic that the monks claim hold the secrets of the great dragons themselves. Protecting the monks and running the underworld are the mysterious syndicate called the Triads – gangs that control their island, protect their secret masters and really really hate the Yakuza.

LONDON--Buckingham Palace, the West End, the Tube, the Castles, Big Ben…it all screams welcome to London, but in 2050 London is not the sparkling jewel it once was. Sure you get those sunny days that allow you to walk the cobblestones of history. But now, the fog and rain are toxic, forcing the creation of the West End Underplex - a thriving city that tries to keep the mood and feel of London artificially alive underneath the acid washed old city. London is a nightmare which contains the bright palaces and friendly pubs as well as the ghetto of lost humanity called “the squeeze” but all of it is under the very heavy thumb of the city's Lord Protector.

MORE SEATTLE--Seattle is the home city of the Shadowrun Universe and where the game will be initially set. One option for the game’s “second city” is to add MORE depth to Seattle. Specifically we could add the following: a bigger chunk of the Renraku Arcology (remember it is home to 100,000 employees), a larger version of the Ork Underground, it’s an entire world beneath the streets of the Seattle metroplex, and Council Island where we can show the Native American Tribes flexing their newfound magical and military muscles.

According to canon the western half of Berlin was "liberated" in 2055/56, so the game would have to be set after that. Although the thing about SK's home in Berlin...

I have the feeling that Jordan is allowing himself some creative interpretation of canon.

I haven't cast my vote yet, because with Berlin and HK as the favorites I almost feel like casting it for Denver or some other city would be a waste... wonder if they will send another update before the deadline.

According to canon the western half of Berlin was "liberated" in 2055/56, so the game would have to be set after that. The description of Chicago seems to imply the same.

I don't get the popularity of Hong Kong. Its not a setting that played that big a role in the early SR canon.

The More Seattle option strikes me as an attempt by the developers to refocus the project after realizing how much work adding a second city really is.

Do the plans for Seattle include the Ork Underground? If not, maybe that should be the second setting. Also Council Island, Hell's Kitchen, Fort Lewis etc. To put it differently I wonder how much Seattle's potential for different environments is really explored. But if they have all that already included in their plans for Seattle by all means do some other place.

I have a less favorable outlook on this option. (I was exposed in my youth to a cyberpunk/fantasy crossover RPG that taught my to be highly distrustful of corporate shenanigans. ) As I see it they committed to a second setting at 1M$, they got almost another million extra since (more than twice of what they wanted to make the game itself) and have not promised any other big additions (adepts or tie-in missions with earlier games cannot be that expensive). While I understand that they also picked up some extra costs, for example with physical goodies, I imagine there is plenty of funding to build the second setting and improve on Seattle where it is appropriate. And that is exactly what this info graphic is telling me:

No, but they will get running water!

As I understand it, from very limited information, their targeted release date is set, and they already have their development team. So more money doesn't easily translate into more man-hours of programming.

There were some other historical inaccuracies in their little blurbs.

For example: I believe the Sears Tower Bombing / Shattergraves incident in Chicago predates the 2050s (I'd have to dig out my copy of NAGNA to be sure). That could just be sloppy wording though...

Well, no. And that is kinda my beef with this. The biggest hive in North America, maybe the whole world, was in Chicago. And a lot of the early official storylines revolved around bug spirits. So an early 2050s Chicago with some bug-infested areas seems to me completely within the canon.

AFAIK the tactic of the Chicago hive was to keep quiet and not generate any attention, instead of "more and more appearing there". On the other hand, the description does not sound like a city overrun by bugs, either.

I don't get the popularity of Hong Kong. Its not a setting that played that big a role in the early SR canon. I get that this is a reboot of sorts, but it just doesn't "feel" like classic SR to me. Guess I'm getting old.

FYI, it's been confirmed on the Shadowrun.com forums that "more Seattle" will be just as intensive as if they did another city. It won't be just making more missions using the same assets, but the creation of NEW assets as well (just as if they had to do Berlin or Hong Kong).

Difficult to judge of course. So maybe I can go back to my old statement: Seattle's potential was only partially explored when they put the second setting as the new goal. Granted another city makes for a much better stretch goal, then saying now we make the Seattle you probably thought you were getting anyway.