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thorya
QUOTE (VykosDarkSoul @ May 9 2012, 01:47 PM) *
Imp Phys Attribute takes up your maximum possible unaugmented attribute by 1.

I.E. a Human with Imp Phys Attribute Reaction would have a max of 7 for his unaugmented Reaction stat


I am confused as to whether the improvement to reaction from synaptic booster stacks with imp phys attribute.

@Sir_Psycho
I don't think you can stack reaction enhancers with synaptic boosters. (I could be wrong though, what stacks and what doesn't is fuzzy to me in SR) You would have to do wired reflexes, but that kills your essence and your magic.
If you don't care about the initiative passes reaction enhancers are the better option. I think once you get past about 14 you start to make a lot of expensive trades to get higher.


Also, you can argue that Pixies count as a small target and so apply a -2 to anyone attacking them. (Arsenal Pg. 161) smile.gif
VykosDarkSoul
QUOTE (thorya @ May 9 2012, 01:48 PM) *
I am confused as to whether the improvement to reaction from synaptic booster stacks with imp phys attribute.


Its not a case of them stacking really. Imp Phys Attribute doesnt actually give you a bonus point in anything, it simply allows you to build higher in your stat.

so instead of buying your max stat up to 6 (human) at chargen, you can build it up to 7, and the 7th point is the one that costs you extra.

So you could still have your synaptic boosters.

And I am AFB right now but I'm pretty sure reaction enhancers and the boosters dont stack, but more init passes is ALWAYS better then more reaction, least IMO nyahnyah.gif


-Peace
thorya
Vykos, I think you're misreading. I'm not talking about exceptional attribute quality which works that way. I'm talking about the adept power Improve Physical Attribute, which does increase it by 1 point. I would assume that it does stack with all the other forms of reaction enhancements, but since some of them are "initiative enhancements" the stacking gets funny.

And more passes are always better than more reaction. smile.gif If only all the ways of getting them weren't so expensive.
VykosDarkSoul
QUOTE (thorya @ May 9 2012, 02:05 PM) *
Vykos, I think you're misreading. I'm not talking about exceptional attribute quality which works that way. I'm talking about the adept power Improve Physical Attribute, which does increase it by 1 point. I would assume that it does stack with all the other forms of reaction enhancements, but since some of them are "initiative enhancements" the stacking gets funny.

And more passes are always better than more reaction. smile.gif If only all the ways of getting them weren't so expensive.




::......FACEPALM::
see, this is what i get for talking without my books in front of me, egg all over my face nyahnyah.gif Good call. I' will have to take a look at it when i get home.
Udoshi
QUOTE (Sir_Psycho @ May 9 2012, 11:57 AM) *
I'd use an elf adept, free up some points and powers. Throw in reaction enhancers. Even without the spell, you could get about 15 passive, right?


I've done a passive dodge bunny, as an ork combat hacker/samurai. He was a self-professed 'spammerai'. (elf doesn't help any due, cuz REA is what you want, not AGI)

MWB to hit Reaction cap, then passive defense pool increases. Reakt and a Tacnet were the big two, but Sideways DOES stack if you can find a way to get both.
You can more or less replicate the feat with an Adept, using Improved Reflexes(Gives passes, but ALSO reaction!) and Combat Sense.
Glyph
Here's a dodge-focused build from me, a grinning scarecrow of a speed sammie, gaunt but tough as nails, here is... the Artless Dodger.

"Get the hell out of Dodge, you say? Bitch, I am the hell out of Dodge."

[ Spoiler ]

Looking at dice pools -
Melee defense (dodging): 24
Full defense melee (dodging): 34
Passive ranged dodge: 14
Full defense ranged dodge: 26
Shortstraw
QUOTE (Glyph @ May 10 2012, 01:46 PM) *
Here's a dodge-focused build from me, a grinning scarecrow of a speed sammie, gaunt but tough as nails, here is... the Artless Dodger

I prefer Wangdancer
cybertier
Doesn't Synch give a bonus to Combat Test and thus to Dodge?
Sadly i don't got my book here, to check it.

Also: What about dualwielding Monowhips? There is a Martial Arts Thingy that allows you to make Full Dodge with your Meleeskill without wasting your action, when you are dualwielding.
UmaroVI
You can only DW reach 0 or reach 1 weapons. Monowhips are reach 2.
The Jopp
QUOTE (UmaroVI @ May 10 2012, 01:07 PM) *
You can only DW reach 0 or reach 1 weapons. Monowhips are reach 2.


Where does it say this?

EDIT:
Never mind, found it.
Neraph
Also Two-Weapon Style is for Full Parry, not Full Dodge.
Halinn
Shouldn't forget the Reakt geneware for passive dodge.
Glyph
QUOTE (Halinn @ May 10 2012, 10:04 AM) *
Shouldn't forget the Reakt geneware for passive dodge.

He's got that.

A build focused on two-weapon style, a parrying rather than dodging build, I prefer to do with an adept. Improved ability in the combat skill gives a higher base skill that gets doubled, then you can combine that with combat sense. Also, that high skill and the counterstrike power let you turn your potent defense into a potent offense when it is your turn to attack. Adepts are better at weapon melee. They can get the same muscle toner that an augmented character would, but also have an enhanced skill of 9 or 10, weapon foci, and the aforementioned counterstrike power.
Neraph
Don't forget the Riposte maneuver also, and Finishing Move. And Herding.
Glyph
All very good maneuvers. I think the cheesiest might be Disarm, combined with the martial arts advantage that lets you do damage on a disarm. A slight dice penalty, and you are using your bloated defense pool to actually inflict damage on your attacker... and then, of course, riposte can let you follow it up with another attack.
Sir_Psycho
Makes me want to play a close combat game with frequent bar brawls, pit fights and kung fu triad gangs.
Udoshi
What? We're playing street fighter? Dibs on ken!
_Pax._
For a Parry Monster, "Counter Strike" is an awesome Adept power. smile.gif
The Jopp
QUOTE (Glyph @ May 12 2012, 02:22 AM) *
All very good maneuvers. I think the cheesiest might be Disarm, combined with the martial arts advantage that lets you do damage on a disarm. A slight dice penalty, and you are using your bloated defense pool to actually inflict damage on your attacker... and then, of course, riposte can let you follow it up with another attack.


Troll+Power Throw+Missile Mastery

Add Aikido and a +1 for Full Defense

Sprinkle with Throw Maneuver

Stir the mix let people attack you close to windows, cliffs and harmful machinery. spin.gif

Unarmed+Strenght opposed test can be rather evil.
VykosDarkSoul
So, really kinda odd here, but when playing around with HeroLabs I ended up with a 38 dice pool for a full defense with my Parry...but I had a slight qualm....CAN you parry with a monofilament whip???? nyahnyah.gif


Edit: Let me clarify, slight qualm with THAT part, I had more of a qualm with the overall character, as it was entirely unfeasable for play, just playing around with parry v dodge etc.
Stahlseele
Technically, you do not parry, but make other people try not to be touched by it . .
Glyph
RAW, you can, and a monofilament whip can be parried in turn... by someone unarmed. So if that doesn't seem quite right, you can either house rule so it makes more sense to you, or make the accompanying description make sense (parrying with a monofilament whip would probably involve swinging it in wide arcs to keep people away, while parrying a monofilament whip bare-handed would involve swatting away the counterweight, or darting in closer to block the opponent's arm).
Draco18s
Just don't block/parry a monofilament whip with a monofilament whip!
VykosDarkSoul
QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 15 2012, 11:15 AM) *
Just don't block/parry a monofilament whip with a monofilament whip!



LOL, for some reason when I read this I pictured two Orcs...slowly approching each other, eyeing each other up and down and circling one another, then approaching, standing up straight, throwing their heads back and sticking their arms straight out, and flailing at one another with just their hands ::::slap slap slap slap slap:: EHEHEHEHEHEHEH
Stahlseele
I was seeing Wankman . . "Don't cross the streams!"
Halinn
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 16 2012, 12:13 AM) *
Wankman

teehee
The Jopp
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 15 2012, 11:13 PM) *
I was seeing Wankman . . "Don't cross the streams!"


So....Would ejaculation work with missile mastery? rotfl.gif rotfl.gif rotfl.gif

...Death by Snu-Snu grinbig.gif
Glyph
So you bukkake for justice?
Halinn
QUOTE (Glyph @ May 17 2012, 03:46 AM) *

Yes. Nothing related to shadowrun, though. It's just great fun.
Draco18s
QUOTE (Glyph @ May 16 2012, 09:46 PM) *


Wow.
CanRay
QUOTE (Glyph @ May 16 2012, 08:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 16 2012, 11:19 PM) *
Wow.
One of my player's favorite battlecries.
ChromeZephyr
This thread made me laugh and squick at the same time. Well done, folks.
Stahlseele
QUOTE (CanRay @ May 17 2012, 06:02 PM) *
One of my player's favorite battlecries.

I prefer:"For Pony!"
VykosDarkSoul
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 17 2012, 01:50 PM) *
I prefer:"For Pony!"




RICHARD FTW!....FWOOSH!
Stahlseele
QUOTE (VykosDarkSoul @ May 17 2012, 11:07 PM) *
RICHARD FTW!....FWOOSH!

That one.
And MLP FIM does not hurt either ^^
VykosDarkSoul
Hmm....lets do an age test here....anyone recognize


BIVRIP!!!!!!
Stahlseele
i got nothing
Sephiroth
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 17 2012, 02:50 PM) *
I prefer:"For Pony!"

I literally laughed out loud. Well done. rotfl.gif
Stahlseele
QUOTE (Sephiroth @ May 17 2012, 11:45 PM) *
I literally laughed out loud. Well done. rotfl.gif

*bows*
If i make somebody laugh, my day was not wasted!
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (VykosDarkSoul @ May 17 2012, 02:25 PM) *
Hmm....lets do an age test here....anyone recognize


BIVRIP!!!!!!


Indeed...
Underdark Gnome, Master Miner, Friend of Drizzt and Clacker....
_Pax._
That's not so much an Age Test, as it is a "did you read the Drizzt novels" test, then.
Neraph
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 17 2012, 05:25 PM) *
That's not so much an Age Test, as it is a "did you read the Drizzt novels" test, then.

I read them more than once and did not immediately make the connection. I thought it was an acronym at first.
UmaroVI
Fo'drizzt my shiznit.
KarmaInferno
Am I the only one who really never particularly liked Drizzt?

The other characters in the story, sure, but that dark elf grated on me with all the emo angst dripping off him.

I even created a dark elf in a game that was pointedly self confident, certain of her place in the world, and never hesitated more than a moment on a moral decision. At one point she ran across another dark elf who was of the "oh woe, I'm such a monster" variety. She hauled off and slapped him across the face, telling him to grow a pair.


-k
Glyph
Drizzt can be mildly annoying, both for his wangsting and for being a bit too much of a special little snowflake. If you read stuff like Terry Goodkind, where you have everyone pedantically expounding on the virtues of positivism, or the Malazan Books of the Fallen, which wallow in angst, Drizzt isn't that bad by comparison.

But what bugs me is how people from outside of D&D think he's such an original concept, when renegade Drow were fairly common characters. They were introduced as bad guys, but people's reactions were more like "Wow, look at those stats and special abilities! Can I play a Drow?"
Shortstraw
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 18 2012, 03:34 PM) *
She hauled off and slapped him across the face, telling him to grow a pair.

-k

Of breasts right?
Neraph
QUOTE (Glyph @ May 18 2012, 04:07 AM) *
Drizzt can be mildly annoying, both for his wangsting and for being a bit too much of a special little snowflake. If you read stuff like Terry Goodkind, where you have everyone pedantically expounding on the virtues of positivism, or the Malazan Books of the Fallen, which wallow in angst, Drizzt isn't that bad by comparison.

But what bugs me is how people from outside of D&D think he's such an original concept, when renegade Drow were fairly common characters. They were introduced as bad guys, but people's reactions were more like "Wow, look at those stats and special abilities! Can I play a Drow?"

I did one who (unlike the rest of the males in his society who were wizards/fighters) was a psion(/illithid slayer/sanctified mind) who basically became outcast because of his "special" abilities, but he went off into the underdark to hone his skills and returned as a Sith Lord to take control of the city that rejected him.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Neraph @ May 18 2012, 04:48 AM) *
I did one who (unlike the rest of the males in his society who were wizards/fighters) was a psion(/illithid slayer/sanctified mind) who basically became outcast because of his "special" abilities, but he went off into the underdark to hone his skills and returned as a Sith Lord to take control of the city that rejected him.


Of course he did... smile.gif
VykosDarkSoul
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 18 2012, 12:34 AM) *
Am I the only one who really never particularly liked Drizzt?

The other characters in the story, sure, but that dark elf grated on me with all the emo angst dripping off him.

I even created a dark elf in a game that was pointedly self confident, certain of her place in the world, and never hesitated more than a moment on a moral decision. At one point she ran across another dark elf who was of the "oh woe, I'm such a monster" variety. She hauled off and slapped him across the face, telling him to grow a pair.


-k


I fully agree, I prefer the supporting cast wholeheartedly. My personal fav is Artemis actually, followed closely by Jarlaxle nyahnyah.gif


Edit: Artemis AFTER he got over all the Emo crap about wanting to fight with Drizzt btw, in the offshot books of him and Jarlaxle on their own little adventures
Neraph
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 18 2012, 07:16 AM) *
Of course he did... smile.gif

You apparently don't know what an epic level psion is capable of then...
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