What weaponry do your runners typically carry on standard walk-around town times?

I typically, for a "samurai" or "gun-bunny", carry a heavy pistol in concealable holster(a paddle holster or a shoulder rig), a light pistol and/or machinepistol(also in a shoulder rig) in concealable holster. A survival knife, or folder or similar tool. A few grenades. Two wallets(each with seperate identification), and reloads for my weapons. A cell phone. Cigerettes and a lighter/matches. Condoms.

It's served me very well in the past. My typical wepaons are Predator, Ceska Skorpian and Fichetti 500a(THE primiere choice for deep carry). The Fichetti has made it in with me pretty far, while I tend to turn in the Predator and ceska if I think it's going to be risky getting them past secrutiy.

Just walking around town? Maybe a concealed pistol in a quick-draw holster and a secure jacket if it's a rough part of town.

Tres chic, long-coat and a Beretta 101-T in a conceled holster. Every inch the sarariman. (he is ex-Renraku, so he knows how to pull it off)

For a night on the town, he includes 'the briefcase'. Deck or an SSM-3, depending on requirements. (his role is decker / sniper)

My Adept carries a Heavy Pistol in a concealed shoulder holster, and a SuperSquirt II loaded with Gamma-Scopolomine in an kle holster.

Actioneer line and a concealed silenced Browning Ultra-Power with five spare clips if it's a rough neighborhood or there's a good chance there'll be trouble (meet with a Johnson), and FFBA half suit with Tres Chic clothes and the Actioneer long coat plus the nice Browning mentioned above if it'll be less likely to be trouble (concert, dinner date, etc). What? I like to dress nice...

The Abstruse One

My characters almost always /start out/ on street lifestyles (what can I say, I like playing myself ), so...everything.

Heh.

Colt Manhunter, a couple of extra clips, secure jacket, switchblade.

I think my character's maximum concealed carry arsenal consists of...

A silenced light pistol under the left arm, dart pistol under the right arm, a spare magazine for each, a MGL-6(small of back or ankle, depending on your interpretation of the weapon's profile), a half-dozen densiplast throwing knives, a tactical folding knife, hardliner gloves, two lightly weighted throwing spikes, a pair of forearm snap blades, a pair of folding boot knives, a pair of collapsible densiplast tonfas, a collapsible staff, and maybe a small explosive device or two, such as quarter-kilogram C-XIII shaped charges.

I just built a troll ganger (80 b.p.) who carries a stick and wears clothing.

(the idea was H. of V's.)

Eek, you people scare me.

For every day wear? Like, the corner pub or grocery shopping?

Every day
Colt Manhunter, three mags (1 loaded, two spare)
concealed holster (shoulder rig, hip, cross-hip, jacket lining)
tactical light
multi-tool
trauma patch
cell phone
secure jacket (+ FFBA if likely trouble)
forearm guards and/or hardliner gloves

Concealed carry, expecting trouble
subvocal mike (if adept)
microtransceiver
silencer
pinches of c-4 or c-12 (if not corporate area)
grapple line
survival knife

Carried occasionally if need expected
backpack
medkit (it sounds strange, but it makes "hey, I'm an off-duty medic" more beliveable)
microtronics toolkit ("Sorry officer, but sometimes a patient has 'ware that needs stabilizing...")

*Although this conversation does spawn an interesting point -- given the dangerous nature of a shadowrunner's usually brief life, is (s)he ever really willing to walk around without armor and some form of unusual gear?

Off-duty cops almost always carry a weapon, just in case...

-Siege

Edit: Either remote or wire detonators, should explosives be required

Excellent.

Now, further along the line. What does your character have in the trunk of his/her car if you have one?

Me, typically an americar or other cheap junk-mobile(nothing too flashy) with an assault rifle in the trunk, lotsa ammo for said assault rifle. Grenades. Shotgun in the passenger comparment. Ceska under the seat. Armour. A camos-suit, or more(preferably urban, southeastern forest, and a southern plains patterns). Flares. flashlight. Duct tape. Carton of cigerettes. Blankets, change of clothes etc.

I got to the ride when it get's bad.

20x83mm anti-materiel rifle, broken down, with ten rounds of armor piercing incendiary ammunition.

And a spare tire.

Well it depends on my char, but my main char, Maelstrom, only carries a kris and long coat + formfitting. (And 2 credsticks, 1 real, 1 fake.) He really doesn't need anything more, because with Sorcery/Spellcasting 6/12 and spells like Manabolt, Stunball, Lightning Bolt, Fireball and Armageddon, he can transform into a walking artillery platform in an instant.

My last character walked around with a Slivergun in a conceal quick draw holster, 1 spare mag, FFBA, armored suit or Securetech longcoat, Pocket Secretary, fake ID, cigs+light.
In the Porche Winter's trunk he had a Savior Medkit and another fake ID.
At home for night-of-the-run use only was a Runthenium cloak various electronic gear, a dart pistol w/silencer and a spare mag, an HK227S w/three spare mags, Battletak Master Unit, and so on and so forth.
Basically if jumped on the street and the fight is not decided in one combat turn then he runs away and comes back tooled up. carrying an arsenal down the street is a good way to attract unwanted attention.

carry at all times (Japanese female sam/sniper/b&e/assassin):
tres chic suit
ffba (2nd skin line)
auctioneer
2 x custom designed heavy pistols (10M dmg, MAD undetectable, conceal 7)
2 x cougar fine blades
certified credstick with 15,000 on it
misc funds in color/script
cell phone/pda
Drug known only as "J". Interrogation drug,


In car/bike:
Barret sniper rifle heavily modified
2 x Ares monokatanas dikoted
gas grenades

Yeesh, and I thought I was being over-paranoid carrying around a Secure Long coat and a Slivergun in a concealable holster as street clothes. How can you guys carry two pistols around w/ three mags each anyway? I take it your GMs aren't that anal about encumberance, right?

Btw, don't you get odd looks wandering around the Barrens in tres chic clothing? Isn't that just inviting gangers to mess with you?

On person: Cougar Fineblade (Dikoted, of course), Browning Ultra-power, many, many, throwing knives.

In the car: everything else i can concievably fit in it.

Mostly, it's the tres chic over some FFBA and a long coat over it. Sunglasses/smartgoggles, too.

My rigger when away from his rig carries a Colt single action army in 45LC. In a left handed cross draw holster worn behind him for easy right had draw from under his long duster while keeping it out of sight behind him. There's and extra 18 rounds in loops on the belt for reloads. When the $H!T hits the fan he grabs his trusty SxS 12 gage and a handfull of buckshot. Yah he does wear snake skin ropers, his belt buckle is the size of a small salad plate and he wears a worn out straw hat like Tobby Keith's.

mcb

Normal day life I usually wear a ffhb suit, normal clothing and will have a knife/ext. baton/nunchaku/shock gloves; depending upon my best skill. I prefer to walk around and rely on my wits.

Good lord. That's one gigantic air intake.

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mcb, I do believe you are positively stylish.

interesting gear choices and a neat character concept. I personally would not use such outdated weaponry. This is 2063 omae, speed kills.

Single action lol!

Pocket knife, pack of gum, and a smile.

One good thing about single action pistols is that one shot is generally all you need. Those things usually pack massive firepower.

Another good thing about single-shot weapons (which SR sadly doesn't deal with) is misfires and such, which happen much less often on reliable single-shot weapons.

Actually, .45LC doesn't hit much harder than a modern day .40S&W. It's more a style thing than anything else.

And, yeah, is sad that weapon reliability is ignored, but since I've never seen a system for it that even approached elegance, that's just what you get.

It isn't ignored completely, just downplayed a lot. EX and EX-EX ammunion destroys the weapon and can injury the shooter on all 1's. It really is a game speed issue, unless you can think of a really smooth way to simulate reliabily of SA/BF/FA breech jams and stuff?

not to get off on a tangent but IMO by 2060s the whole pistol design thing should be pretty much at a point where malfunctions with normal ammo are nonexistant.

I'll pull a couple examples from today:

Torture tests are favorite activites of the gun industry I remember one such test many years back featuring the Ruger P series semi auto pistol. They fired 100,000 round through it without a malfunction. THey also froze it with liquid nitrogen, ran over it with an SUV, dumped sand in it etc etc. they had virtually no malfuntions.

Also I know this was done with Glocks when trying to get police contracts. The sales rep would throw the guns down the hall into the concrete, park trucks on top of them, throw them in the mud, wipe them off load and fire, dump sand etc in em.


One other thing is I believe that guns in 2060s use caseless ammo which eliminates 99% of the window in which malfunctions happen since there is no slide to cycle or shell ejected, no shell to get stuck, no ejector to break off or not grab the case rim etc etc etc.

In closing, i think with pistols/shotguns that malfuntions are virtually non existant

The caseless/cased thing is still being debated....Isn't it?

Seems like it depends on your GM. Of course it could just have been mine...when I had one.

well even the greatest design in the world can fail if it's not operated/cleaned/maintained in the recommended manner.

Don't you think I was assuming proper operation/maintenance?

And yes even pump shotguns can malfunction (even though none of my 3 ever have) but you should agree that the conditions need to be pretty extreme for that to happen or a complete ass trying to shuck it.

No need to say more I think I made my point.

ahem. Don't try to use the straw man on me.

I didn't say "ideal" conditions. I meant "not extreme". There is a huge difference.

Allow me to reiterate as there seems to be some confusion: Any production pistol in the 2060s (with the possibly exception of puzzlers and hold out pistols) can function flawlessly under normal duty cycles (combat etc). Based on history and current trends, a pistol in the 2060s would need to be subjected to EXTREME conditions (such as acid, liquid nitrogen, extreme crushing force etc) for extended periods of time, conditions as such, that are rather unlikely to occur in the course of normal use and most of them will probably still fire reliably.

Remember this is just MO based on what I've read, your game can be whatever u want it to be.

They didn't conduct torture tests in a white room use your head dude.

My usual off-duty gear is a Securetech jacket, sometimes with my Browning MaxPower in a concealed holster and survival knife in boot, depending on the neighborhood.

Plus a whole list of illegally high-Force combat spells. Sorcerers have all sorts of advantages in weapon concealability.

I think a lot of the pistols in the shadowrun world would malfunction a whole lot, actually. Think about it. Most weapons are produced by Ares or someone with greatly similar corporate interests. Ares is also in charge of security in a lot of situations. They know exactly which weapons commonly make it to the street. I imagine most of the market for things like Ares Predators comes from low-lives like shadowrunners, who aren't really going to be taking advantage of a factory warrantee. If I were Ares, I'd purposely sell defective equipment. On one end, I'd be making sure that a lot of my opposition was using weaponry that wasn't reliable, and on the other end, my big worry would be liability. Only it wouldn't, because as a megacorp, I'd be immune to consumer protection laws. The way I see it, weapon reliability in the shadows would be a victim of the Class War.

Have you seen the number of companies in SR that produce guns? It's not just Ares. Have you seen how often PCs will buy a 2000 gun because it sounds cooler or has a slightly better conceal/clip/damage/etc. than another gun?

If Ares made faulty products, it would become known, and their guns wouldn't sell. They might be economically fine, but then they also wouldn't have as impressive of a market share. Would you rather work for a corp that makes the best guns, and issues them to you, or a corp that makes faulty guns but tells you that they added those flaws to the street version and you are getting one that works?

So now, what do you keep in your safe-house?

For me, weapons kit, weights, computer, stacks of manuals and books, lots of paper, a dry erase board, stockpile of food, boxes of ammunition and a number of firearms. Alternative IDs.

I also maintain quite a few of these safe-houses, as they make it easier to survive.

That argument is totally unfounded. If their firearms were not superb (which there is much literature to suggest that they are nothing but) they would not be the top arms maker. One does not get to the top by flooding the market with inferior crap. Take for instance Berreta or Bennelli or any of the other quality gun makers.

blakkie if your pump is malfuntioning from something like that I would get a different gun. I've had one of my Mossbergs in numerous bad situations from Alaska to the Oregon coast and it's not failed to fire/function once.

To be back on track-

Brawling 6 and a bunch of Combat Spells +3 dice. Dragonslayer trolls rockzor.

How was that back on track?

CCW, not rambling about weapon malfunctions.

Hey Gotti--Um, why a "dry erase board?"

AND (b/c I just couldn't resist)

Why would Ares, the (seemedly) #1 weapons manufacturer and distributor in the world, holder of numerious national military contracts, and parent corp of KE produce subpar weapons?

Moreover, if they were intended to be sub par in canon, there is a real lack of rules to govern the "sub-par Ares manufactured weapons."

Now, if youre the GM and that's your gritty plott twist....I salute you, sir. Your villiany surpasses even my own.