I'm reading Clutch of Dragons and Dirty Tricks now, and it seems there have been some major developments since I last read the books. Can anyone brief me on the issues or point towards the books where I can read about them.

The things that I'm lost about are:

Horizon had a fallout with technomancers
The whole Denver story (I caught the start of it, but can't figure how it went)
The Donald hurricane stuff
Sirrurg striking back at Aztlan - what is he avenging?
Kane is out of business?

Denver had the Olympics (both Winter and Summer) and Ghostwalker is having issues controlling the place since he seems distracted. I think it is covered in Spy Games somewhat.
The bit about Surrurg is in WAR!. Basically he is pissed about off about the Azzies killing a dragon for events in the Yucatan. Also he is crazy. No really, they think he is insane.

I think the other things are covered in adventures (The horizon adventures Fist full of Credsticks, Anarchy Subsidized, Colombian Subterfuge and the Twilight Horizon) but as I haven't played any of those yet, I can't confirm that.

I've read as far as rift stuff with Ghostwalker disappearing. I understand that he came back?

And what I still can't get, is how new Denver treaty differs from the old one?

In The Twilight Horizon, there is a bit of background and three adventures about Horizon policy on technomancers. The corporation publicly defend technomancers' rights, while acting covertly so that a majority of countries and megacorporations keep discriminating them, and their situation doesn't improve globally. Horizon can thus look like the technomancers only ally and keeps geting a large supplies of recruits and guinea pigs. Technomancers discovered that and were pretty pissed off.

The whole Denver story? Well, despite what Spy Games says, what happened before Ghostwalker came is important. The Treaty of Denver divided the city into five sectors, controlled by the US, Sioux, Ute, Pueblo and Aztlan. US was splitted into UCAS and CAS in 2033, Ghostwalker seized control of the city, banned Aztlan, handed control of their sector to the CAS and got a new Treaty ratified in 2061, and finally the Ute nation was annexed by Pueblo in 2067.
At some point in 2072 or 2073 (the book doesn't give a date), the Salish-Shidhe remarked as the Ute nation "dissolved", it made the whole treaty of Denver "null and void" (which means that the Salish-Shidhe diplomats knew nuts about international law, because nations never "dissolve" ; if the Treaty had such strong provision against the widthdrawal of any country, the eviction of Aztlan in 2061 would have given a much stronger case ; possibly the Denver Treaty included provisions to make the treaty null and void if the US were to invade one of the NAN not worded carefully enough because the SAIM negotiators at the time couldn't imagine one of the NAN would annex another).
So, the Salish-Shidhe were asking for a round of negotiations and a new Treaty of Denver. This was promptly followed by a surge in espionage activities as each of the North American governments wants to know the whereabouts of the official and unofficial negotiators in town. An international conference was to meet in DEnver in March 2073, which is when Ghostwalker returned.
In the meantime, Ghostwalker was more interested by the Four Artifacts (those from the Dawn of the Artifacts serie) and manipulated a bunch of power players to gather them in Washington. He performed a ritual that closed the Watergate Rift, closed the door for shedim spirit, killed Aina, and a few month later came back with a merger of her deceased mate and reunited spirit of Denver Zebulon. If you read The Clutch of Dragons, you know is back, with Zebulon somewhat acting as his Queen. He was right in time to attend the conference and try to kill the Aztlan delegation.

Since his Awakening, Sirrurg has hunted people involved in the "Downcycle Hunt" (killing dragons during their sleep). But he also established the nation of Amazonia with Hualpa (and the mythical third great dragon), which was the first step toward reigniting the millennia-old war in America over the use of Blood Magic (which at some point during the Fourth Age, involved dragons fighting dragons, and went quite nasty). So maybe the execution and dissection of Dzitbalchen pushed Sirrurg fury one step further, but I think he has been eager to go at war with Aztlan for a long time, and knew it was just a matter of time for Hualpa to agree with him.

That's a lot of the what's of what happened, you don't happen to know something about the why aswell?


Especially those parts. Was his brother involved in why he closed the rift? Why did he kill her?
Im not sure if I understand the whole spirit deal. GWs dead mate? The spirit of the city?

The first Treaty of Denver in 2018 had five countries (US, Sioux, Pueblo, Ute and Aztlan) sharing authority over Denver. The second Treaty of Denver in 2061 recognized Ghostwalker supreme authority, and left five countries (UCAS, CAS, Sioux, Pueblo and Ute) to administer their sectors.
Now, the Salish-Shidhe are not asking for a sector, but only for a representative and voting rights on Denver council. The Algonkin-Manitou subsequently asked for the same privilege, but with their government deep into Aztechnology pocket, everyone saw the real intent behind. The countries already represented in Denver council appear to seize the opportunity mostly to haggle on tax levels and Denver administration funding. As usual, it's likely a lot of countries are putting things on the table that have nothing to do with the subject at hand (like, UCAS or Salish-Shidhe could make concessions on Seattle in exchange for something else in Denver).

Wait... Aina's mate? Like the horror one? And seconding Lionhearted on whys.

Thanks for clarification about Horizon and Sirrurg. Knew about his vendetta, but thought maybe there was something new.
So, new Treaty pretty much adds new associate member(s) and has some revaluation with no real consequences to the world at large?

Aina, as the president of the Draco Foundation, brought the Shantaya Compass to the Watergate meeting. The ritual performed by Ghostwalker to close to the Rift resulted in a large explosion, killing Aina. That wasn't, as far as we know, intentional from Ghostwalker (but there could also be an additional layer of fun if we were to learn one of the other person present recovered faster from the explosion, found Aina incapacited and took the opportunity to kill her).

No, in March 2074, Ghostwalker return and attempt to kill the Aztlan delegation disrupted the international summit. The previous treaty expired without a new one getting anywhere close to being written down or ratified.

Looks like most of this has been covered, so I'll snag the two that haven't.

Hurricane Donald was only mentioned in Dirty Tricks... other books were released before it hit, nothing's been released since. This year was a rough onw for hurricanes, with Mississippi getting hit by one and a tropical storm (A Hurricane that didn't have full power when it hit), while Donald did it's thing in the Gulf before hitting Aztlan's eastern coast and bringing the Black Rain.

Kane isn't out of business, but the bad storms did some damage to his operations. Sunk a few boats, smashed up a dock or three, nothing horrible, but enough to give him a few headaches. Kane's still Kane. He'll probably try something outrageous to get people talking about him again.

Sorry, some correction is due here. It should have read "his mate", not "her."That is, Ghoswalker brought back from the dead the spirit of a deceased female dragon.

The divided spirit of Denver is plot that has have been going on since the original Denver boxed sourcebook. A free great-form city spirit (old edition, that would be a Spirit of Man in SR4) has established itself in Denver, and become the de-facto "spirit of the city". In 2017, an Amerindian shaman and a US contractor mage both attempted to sumon the spirit with its True Name at the exact same time. It resulted in the spirit breaking in two parts. And as the Treaty of Denver further divided the city, so did the spirit.
Since it's all very symbolic, with subtle influence on the astral plane and the people psyche, it's not clear if Ghostwalker needed to reunify the city the way he did to reunify the spirit, or if he needed to reunify the spirit to complete the reunification of the city.

As for the reasons behind these, let's recap:
- When Dunkelzahn died in 2057 and powered the Dragonheart, it opened the Rift where he was standing (that is, in front of the Watergate Complex).
- The astral form of Ghostwalker exited from the Rift in 2060. A few hours later, Ghostwalker physical form was flying over Denver. Around the same time, shedim spirits started showing up.
- Ghostwalker closed the Rift, brought back the spirit of a dead dragon and reunited the spirit of Denver. After that shedim spirits could also no longer enter our world (but those who are already there are trapped in).
Of all these things, there is no clue on which were intentional from either Dunkelzahn or Ghostwalker and which weren't. Possibly, Dunkelzahn willingly opened the way for his brother to return, Ghostwalker knew he had to close the Rift to end the shedim invasion, but postponed it until he could gather the Artifacts and bring is mate back as well, before shutting the Rift down for good.

What are the Shedim anyway? are they connected to the horrors in any way?
I seem to recall powering the dragon heart was part in a plot to prevent the scourge from arriving early.

So it's a latest development, thanks!


Like staging a daring strike against IncaCo?


That's a relief! For once second I though that Ghostwalker allied himself with horror(s), and I swear I got a grey hair or two.


Was familiar with the spitir of Denver story, and i really feel good that they are reunited with Ghostwalker.
The shedim part gives some reason to the whole Rift story. Actually, it's pretty big. No more shedim threat!


They are not related, but similar. As they are similar to insects - these are spirits from deep astral.

Any chance this dragon spirit Ghostwalker brought back is Yuichotol?

That's what/who she is or what's left of her. After her death Icewing made her a spirit and she became the spirit of Denver, which Ghostwalker apparently reconstructed in the Rift.

So if I got this straight... It's a merged spirit of a dead dragon and a divided free spirit that embodiment the city itself.
So the city rules the city... that makes an eerie amount of sense.

I thought that the Spirit Of Denver had a different name, Zebulon. Something different than Yuichotol in all of this.

Well, Icewing is Ghostwaler this cycle, so no reason for Yuichotol not to be called Zebulon. The name was probably given by humans in this cycle.

Could make some sense if they're one in the same, but then some of the details of the Denver mission "A Very Bad Day" don't make as much sense. At least to me, anyway.

Haven't read it, what the oddities there?

It is very likely the Ghostwalker's mate is Yuichotol. She was so far the only known mate of Icewing/Ghostwalker, and Earthdawn era sources do mentions her spirit survived her killing by the Therans.

Game Information in The Clutch of Dragons seems to suggest the spirit of Denver and the spirit of Yuichotol were only merged when Ghostwalker performed the ritual at the Rift. Before that, they would have been two separate spirits.

On the origin of Zebulon name, Denver Gamemaster book says the city spirit was "known to those aware of its presence as Zebulon" in the 2010s or 2020s. In the same book, the spirit is said to have settled in the Denver area during the gold rush in the 1850s. Interestingly enough, said gold rush was known at the time as "Pike's Peak Gold Rush". Pike's Peak (now Pikes Peak), the highest mountain in the Front Range, has been named around that time after explorer Zebulon Pike (1779-1813). I doubt the ghost of General Pike went on to become a free great spirit in forty years, so I guess the link is rather symbolic.

The better part of the mission is that the runners go through an alchera into a pueblo metaplane to find a spirit named Yuichotol, described as a water serpent (I googled her some time ago to learn a bit about her relationship with Ghostwalker during the 4th age, yes, they were mates from what I found). What they ultimately are able to bring back is the last intact part of Yuichotol's vessel (a large crystal dragon's skull) created by Ghostwalker, her spirit having "been gone a long time from here." (told to the team by a native spirit).

The way things are put is that it sounds like Yuichotol left that metaplane long before the events that resulted in Zebulon first being split in two in the material, and wouldn't have any ties to the material plane. The mission also alludes to time not passing any different while the team is in the metaplane vs. Denver. The overall impression I got was that Yuichotol was far removed from the material before the 6th age, before the gold rush and all that lead to the founding of Denver.

Now it's also possible that Frosty is wrong in her assessment that the woman seen with Ghostwalker is Zebulon. It wouldn't be the first time I've found where a cannon character has made a mistake about something that the inside mission details say differently.

And I do think it'd be possible that Zebulon Pike could've become a free spirit after his death. It wouldn't be the only incident of something magically happening during the mana down cycle.

I thought Yuichotol was western dragon.. strange for it the spirit to be a serpent.

Copied right from the mission: "He describes Yuichotol as a large water serpent with silver and blue scales and large horns of crystal. She’s feisty, but loves verbal banter." He being the Mr. Johnson who pays the team for the job, and someone who's worked for Ghostwalker for years.

But then, the mission author could've made a mistake here, too. Wouldn't be the first one I've found regarding the collection of Denver missions.

Or the image of Yuichotol spirit can have nothing in common with Yuichotol dragon form

Astral forms doesn't necessarily match their physical counterparts, even if she was a western in life, she might still appear as a serpent in spiritform.

On the other hand traditionally serpents represent either cunning and intelligence or deceit and treachery.
Symbolism from the author, the spirit or the true nature of the spirit? I cannot say, might aswell be a fluke.

The details of the Mr. Johnson character in that mission say otherwise, saying that "Yuichotol is an old spirit missed by Ghostwalker..." Pretty strong suggestion that there is only one. Unfortunately there's no greater description of her remains other than the intact skull and a collection of broken crystal bones.

And with what Lionhearted added, if this is true of Pueblo mythology about snakes, then Yuichotol's form of a serpent would be quite fitting for that of a dragon as they're portrayed in Shadowrun. The cunning & intelligent part.

I know it possesses those traits when described in the chinese zodiac, only know that because I was born in a year of the serpent (not to be confused with the dragon)

The Clutch of Dragons states the spirit Ghostwalker returned with is "Zebulon, the Spirit of Denver" who has been "reunited with the rest of the spirit of Ghostwalker's deceased mate". This as Game Information intended for the Gamemaster, not an in-context Jackpoint posting.

I think the story would need to be fleshed out a bit to be satisfying. They were plenty of generals and explorers in US history (not to mention the rest of the world), and I don't think a lot of them become Force 18 free great form spirits for no particular reason.
But maybe in the Earthdawn-Shadowrun timeline, Pikes had an encounter with powerful supernatural forces that doesn't appear in the official history. Like, trying to climb a mountain with a handful of men, and starving for two days. Afterall, for Ghostwalker to vow to protect the area and Dunkelzahn to install a lair there, the Front Range obviously must have been a somewhat special place (like, where the spirits of the Great Plains meet the spirit of the Rocky Mountains) long before the city of Denver was founded.

One thing to keep in mind regarding the Denver Missions... During Season 1 and Season 2, Missions was strictly a project run by fans. It had some tertiary support from FanPro, but none of the adventures had to go through any kind of approval process, nor was anyone who worked on them paid or contracted through FanPro/WizKids (Who controlled the license and property at the time). They are largely "unofficial" material, though some of it has trickled into canon since then.

It wasn't until Season 3 that Missions became full on official and the adventures started being reflected in Canon, and in Season 4 we've taken it a step further and actually worked some of the Missions adventure plots into major storylines going on in the books.

Also, Zebulon was fragmented into a number of pieces. Each piece had it's own personality, and possibly it's own form. One of those could easily have had her original name and some memory of who she used to be, but reflected the Pueblo or Aztlan sector by looking like a serpent.

Lofwyr must've done some serious damage to Yuichotol that's not ever explained in what I've read for Ghostwalker to apparently take what remained of her spirit to merge with the grown parts of another spirit (Zebulon) into a combined whole that's greater than the sum of its parts and nothing like any one of them. I think Ghostwalker's set himself up for a Shakespearean tragedy trying to bring his mate back to the material. Can't think of anything else to explain why they were merged if Ghostwalker may have had the option to just bring Yuichotol back on her own. Overall, still, I keep thinking of Zebulon and Yuichotol as two separate entities, up until the events in Clutch Of Dragons.

And as for what you said about the Denver missions, Bull, I recall you posting the same somewhere else around here before. I do recall some of the connections between them and stuff mentioned in Spy Games, including mention of the alchera itself from the mission I mentioned earlier.

WP says: "To the Muscogee people, the Horned Serpent is a type of underwater serpent covered with iridescent, crystalline scales and a single, large crystal in its forehead. Both the scales and crystals are prized for their powers of divination"

Looks like a standard case of mix-and-match mythology from different sources (which are mostly also just mix and match from even older traditions).

Who said Zebulon and Yuichotol were different spirits? My take is simply that somehow or other Yuichitol became a spirit at some point prior to the 6th world starting. When she showed up in the 6th world, she was now going by the name Zebulon and became tied to Denver somehow. Considering that it's implied in YotC that Ghostwalker had a lair hidden near Denver, it's possible that's actually the place Zebulon was initially tied to, and was drawn to Denver later on. Then she Fractured. And Ghostwalker has been doing what he can to piece her back together ever since. (If you read "Already Here" section in Artifacts Unbound, you'll see Ghostwalker has been working toward that end for quite some time).

I will also note that CGL is not bound to follow Earthdawn slavishly. It's a benchmark, but it's not a bible. And with ED being handled by two other companies now (and has been for some time), it actually becomes slightly problematic to reference it too directly.



Yeah, consider the Season 1 and Season 2 Missions to be like the Star Trek novels or the Star Wars Extended Universe stuff. They're approved by the studios, but the official Canon is not bound by them. They will borrow and incorporate the cool stuff at will though. But until it shows up in a movie or TV show, it's not 100% official.

Bull

Well, outside of Clutch Of Dragons I hadn't seen anything to suggest they weren't anything but two different spirits. Granted my knowledge of the material is rather limited prior to the SR4 books. Sadly I haven't read that section in Artifacts Unbound as of this posting. My reading habits with any game books is rather piecemail, focusing more on what catches my interest at the moment.

But then, what was then and what is now are two different things. If Yuichotol = Zebulon now, then that's not a problem.

I have a related but somewhat divergent question. Why do all these different nations want a piece of Denver so badly anyway? What's so special about it that makes it worth having multiple summits and treaties over? It's not like they're lacking in land or anything. Is it just a case of 'well, they've got some so I want some too' or is there something more to it that I've missed?

Back in the day everyone wanted a piece of Zebulon. At least, it was the matter for Aztech - Denver is a very potent magical location. After all that happens - maybe not so much. But it's a matter of prestige and political weight.

One more thing came up.
What is the issue between Bull and Harlequin? Who is Johny and what is his story?
And in Clutch of Dragons there's a comment from Bull: 'I need to ask straight out: What was the offhand comment you mentioned the last time he came up? It seems appropriate to the current discussion.' What 'last time' is he talking about?

Nations don't have much to brag about anymore (Most land ceded to corps? Most powerless legislative?), so maintaining symbols of former glory might be an even higher priority than usual for those still interested in the anachronistic concept of nation states.

That goes back to the return of Magic.

The Native Nations staged an uprising and went to war with the United States and Canada, which hiccuped to a ceasefire almost as soon as it started, when the Great Ghost Dance went, "See these volcanoes? Kaboom." Faced with an unknown weapon, the US called a time out and sued for peace. And kinda won the negotiations, really. They gave up a large chunk o' land (About a third or a quarter of the US, around 80% of Canada) and the Natives accepted.

Denver was chosen as the location to sign the treaty and, furthermore, became "neutral territory", where politics could be wrangled without, say, the president of the US having to fly into Sioux country. Much like Berlin during the Cold War, it became a handy place for spies to do spystuff and for nations to talk to one another. The city was chopped up into sections ... the Pueblo Corporate Council, the Sioux Nation, the Ute Nation, Aztlan, the United States, and Canada each got a slice. The US and Canadian sides later merged to form the UCAS, and later split to create the UCAS and CAS. The six slices existed in relative harmony. The Ute got absorbed into Aztlan, leaving five, which imbalanced things a bit, then Ghostwalker showed up and kicked out Aztlan, giving their territory to the CAS, leaving just four ... the PCC, Sioux, UCAS, and CAS.

The two Treaties have expired, so now everyone's waiting to see when a third will be started, but that had a fault when Ghostwalker showed up and gave the Azzie reps a deathglare, until Peri swooped them out of there. Since then, no more negotiations, so the whole city's up in the air and kinda nervous.

You also have some voices that would love a seat at the table ... the S-S Council, for instance, or the Tir, the Canadian native nations, and, obviously, Aztlan wants back in, the California Free State would like to be in there ... everyone wants a seat at the Grown-Up Table, in essence. Right now, Ghostwalker decides who gets to have a chair, but ever since Zebulon came back, he's been ... different.

Of course Livingroom Games is quite dead, and Redbrick has shut down, though the crew has moved over to the resurrected FASA.

Read Bull and Harlequin's entries in Street Legends and Street Legends supplemental. It's been skirted around a bit, mostly because it's a lot of in character backstory that isn't necessarily all that interesting and largely hasn't been relevant to the Jackpoint discussions at hand. It sort of refers back to the original version of Bull that I played in our home game, coupled with a long-running joke that as a writer I wanted to kill off Harlequin some day.

In the end, it just became fun to have a character who knows more-or-less who Harley is (Bull's not fully aware of the 4th world stuff), knows he's completely outgunned, and hates the elf anyway (and who isn't another Immortal Elf). And don't worry, we all know Bull has zero chance of ever actually killing Harlequin.

Short In Character answer though: Johnny 99 is an Amerind Coyote Shaman who was Bull's Shadowrunning Partner. They were largely a 2-man team operating out of Chicago, and were trapped behind the wall with their families when the bugs hit and the CZ went up. They escaped with the help of Harlequin, and a few years later he wanted repayment. Harlequin and Harlequin's Back are not the only times Harley has led groups into the metaplanes to try plug up the Horrors. He dragged Bull & Johnny and some other allies of theirs into the metaplanes, and Johnny and several others had to sacrifice themselves to plug things up. Harlequin didn't tell us this in advance, and Johnny sacrificed himself to save Bull, since Bull had children.

Bull will never forgive Harley for that.

As for the bit in Clutch, I'll have to look that up later. I'm not certain offhand, and have to head off for work. What page is that on though, to help me look it up easier?

Denver was divided between the nations which could claim the place with some historical legitimacy. So Canada did not get their share, because nobody ever claimed Colorado as the ancient homeland of Canadians.

Of course that does not explain why other nations want in, who never held any stakes in the area...on the other hand, who said that national ambition has to make sense?

Are the reasons they want to get there the same as back in the day of forming Denver? Allies released their parts of Berlin some time after the war, but Denver still seems to be a wet dream for everyone. Is it only the convinient place to make politics or have some new agenda appeared through the years?


I definitely have to re-read Street Legends, seems there is a lot that I missed on the first read. Thanks for clearing this for me!
...and you can't even imagine how jealous I am of you for having a game character made canon!


It's p. 33, the exchange between Bull and Frosty:



Still more on Harlequin. In the fiction piece about him Lugh thinks to himself 'she is not really dead', 'she' obviously being Aina. Is there anything more on this issue? Where can I read on Harlequins actions between Artifacts Unbound and now? Street Legends supplemental?

Some 46 years after the war. Until 1991 Berlin lived a weird existence between federal state and foreign soil, probably the best-known consequence was that moving to Berlin (or paying a somebody to register you as sublease ) granted an exemption from the draft.

The Clutch of Dragons is not very clear on the distinction between Zebulon and Yuichotol in the past or present. For the people who do not have the book, here's the relevant excerpt from The Clutch of Dragons:
It could be pointed out that Zebulon has been "reunited" with the spirit of Yuichotol, and not simply "united". But it also reads Zebulon "was first fragmented in 2017": not something you would write if the spirit itself was already the fragment of something else in the first place.

Having Zebulon and Yuichotol being the same spirit, or at least the former a part of the later, would help avoiding to make the story overly complicated. It would possibly require to retcon Denver SB, since there are no particular reason for Yuichotol spirit to have been a city spirit before settling in the area that would become Denver (unless she had a first job experience when Ghostwalker found her an internship as Spirit of Throal at some point during the Fourth Age).

It worth nothing that 1) Yuichotol was a spirit without a body 2) Ghostwalker spend some time trapped in the same distant metaplane than shedim spirits, who are well known for their know-how on how to occupy dead body. Was he searching a way for his mate to get a new body?

I would make a difference between Earthdawn books published by the original FASA and those published by Redbrick or Mongoose. The former were written by the same people who were writting Shadowrun, with a clear intent to tie the two games that came to be known by customers/players.

There are plenty of plots for which the planned outcome is lost because the original author is no longer around. Or even if a note of some sort exists somewhere, the current writers feel free to ignore it because it didn't made it into published canon (or because said original author threatened to sue if any of his ideas appear in a book...).

But for anything that was written down in a book, and read by customers/players, I'd expect them to make an effort to at least take into account what have been written, and if there must be a retcon, to be creative. Doing otherwise I think, is a lack of respect for those who worked on Shadowrun before them, even if part of that work was released under the Earthdawn title.

But, in fact, CGL is not even bound by its own books, if they don't want to.

In 2017, Denver was one of the largest metropolitan areas in the territories the US were handing to the NAN. For the US administration, there was an obvious interest in getting a special status, because every US citizen that could keep his home and his job was one less angry voter for the next election day. Also, they may have considered Denver could be a Trojan Horse for the NAN economy to stay dependent on US imports and investments. The Sioux were lacking a major urban center and economical hub. The Ute didn't want the Pueblo to get Denver, and the Pueblo didn't want the Ute to get it. And for Aztlan, getting to control a part of what was previously a US city was one major political and diplomatic achievement, a show of force.

In 2072, as far as Spy Games goes, only Salish-Shidhe and Algonkin-Manitou actually wants to get a seat on Denver Council. The Salish-Shidhe are trying probably just for the opportunity to trade favor with the UCAS regarding Seattle, and maybe also to demonstrate that the Pueblo and the Sioux are not the only NAN that matter on the diplomatic scene. The Algonkin-Manitou are just a proxy for Aztechnology to return in Denver. For the countries who already control a sector, there's little more than national pride. Which, in some of those countries, like Sioux or CAS, means a lot. Compare that to those tiny islands in the South China Sea nowadays. The rest is just the diplomatic game.

The problem is a matter of licensing. Topps owns nothing for Earthdawn, and CGL has no license to use Earthdawn information. The only stuff we can reference at this point directly is anything that was published in a Shadowrun book already. *A* 4th world existed, and obviously it looks a lot like the Earthdawn being published by the remains of Red Brick and the new FASA, but it's no longer the sa me 4th world.

If we ever published a book with an Obsidiman, or if I referred to Simon Andrews from Missions as a T'Skrang, FASA could sue us for infringement, and likely would have to because of the way certain copyright laws work. Heck, despite Simon being an obviuos reference to a T'Skrang, even then we were careful to make sure he looks a little different than the traditional T'Skrang. And he's simply a Changeling now.

Bull

Read The Clutch of Dragons till the end and I withdraw the question about Aina. I think I got it. At least I have a suspicion...
But the other question is, if Celedyr is in Albuquerque, isn't he a bit too close to Sirrurg, who is nesting in/razing the same area?

*cough* Shantaya's Compass *cough*

Yeah, err... Don't look at me. I'm not sure about that one. I certainly wouldn't have risked it.

Bull

Not to mention Ghostwalker in Denver.

You'd almost think that tensions were ratching up or something.

Oh wait!



(Edited because I can't read.)