pbangarth
Nov 20 2019, 02:59 AM
OK! OK!
So, just before Willie bashes down the door to the ganger hideout, Selina hits him with Fashion and Makeover to give him the most glamourous drag image possible, and Can Opener covers him in a glowing aura of Armour.
Then, CRASH! In he strides, and calls out to the stunned assembly inside, "I'm here! I'm here! Let the bells ring out and the banners fly. It's too good to be true, but Wilhemina GlamOrk is here!"
Whaddaya think?
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 04:50 AM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 19 2019, 07:59 PM)

OK! OK!
So, just before Willie bashes down the door to the ganger hideout, Selina hits him with Fashion and Makeover to give him the most glamourous drag image possible, and Can Opener covers him in a glowing aura of Armour.
Then, CRASH! In he strides, and calls out to the stunned assembly inside, "I'm here! I'm here! Let the bells ring out and the banners fly. It's too good to be true, but Wilhemina GlamOrk is here!"
Whaddaya think?
You know... you're probably gonna laugh considering this once you see the full list of IC Princess's augmentations...
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 05:22 AM
Alright, so. I've been working on statting things up. I've reserved 100 karma for gear, augmentation, lifestyle, etc., but probably won't use it all. That said, I still have 121 of the remaining 650 to spend. You guys have had more time to look over each other's sheets, so have a better idea what areas we're missing. I'm kinda going with a hacker/rigger/medic bit, with hints of infiltrator and backup face, so I'd love some suggestions from you all on where to improve.
Core [30]
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Birth Name: Unknown
Street Name: IC Princess
Fake SIN: Iris Bonneau
Sex: Female
Metatype: Elf [30]
Attributes [207]
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Strength: 2 [6]
Agility: 4 [21]
Reaction: 4 [27]
Body: 3 [15]
Charisma: 3 [0]
Intuition: 4 [27]
Logic: 5 (

[42]
Willpower: 5 [42]
Edge: 4 [27]
Essence: 2.9
Skill Groups [125]
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Biotech Group 1 (+2+ [5]
Cracking Group 4 (+3) [50]
Electronics Group 4 (+3) [50]
Influence Group 1 [5]
Mechanic Group 2 [15] (+2)
Active Skills [68]
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Armorer 3 (+2) [12]
Dodge 3 [12]
Gunnery 2 [6]
Infiltration 3 [12]
Locksmith 2 [6]
Perception 4 [20]
Pilot Groundcraft 4 [20]
Pistols 3 [12]
Languages [7]
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English N [0]
Sperethiel 3 [7]
Knowledge Skills (27 points free) [0]
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Bunraku Parlors 4 [0]
Computer Background 3 [0]
Corporate Matrix Security Procedures 5 [0]
Data Havens 3 [0]
IC Identification 4 [0]
Operating Systems 5 [0]
Safe Houses 3 [0]
Qualities [0]
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Positive Qualities
Restricted Gear - Cerebral Booster [10]
Made Man - Chaos Engine [20]
Erased [20]
Analytical Mind [20]
Negative Qualities
Dead Emotion - Happiness/Joy [+10]
Flashbacks - Bunraku Parlors [+10]
Prejudiced (Actively Prejudiced) - Tir Royalty [+30]
Vindictive [+20]
Contacts [60]
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Chaos Engine (Connection 8/Loyalty 4) [0] - Hacker syndicate to which IC Princess is a member
Eliza Haynes (Connection 4/Loyalty 4) [16] - Banshee street doc member of Tamanous. Used to date IC Princess until her infection.
Null Twitch [Connection 4/Loyalty 2] [12] - Paranoid dwarf who sells all kinds of black market tech. The only male contact IC Princess has.
Chloe Lucas [Connection 5/Loyalty 3] [16] - Elven fixer who runs a cybercafe.
Hope Serrano [Connection 6/Loyalty 2] [16] - Troll information broker
Augmentations
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Cerebral Booster 3
Datajack
Encephalon 2
PuSHeD
Simsense Booster
Sex Change
Maybe some more contacts and knowledge skills/language skills, but that's gonna be hard pressed to eat up 121 karma. Depending on my available funds, I may shoot for alphaware for some of the more essence expensive pieces, if allowed, allowing for other stuff. I'd like to get Wired Reflexesfor better AR hacking, but that's one of those heavy cost ones. Speaking of advanced stuff, what about advanced tech in books such as War, This Old Drone, Used Car Lot, and Unfriendly Skies? Are any/all of those up for grabs as long as they fit within the usual 12 (20 with restricted gear) availability rating?
Koekepan
Nov 20 2019, 05:50 AM
My take on it is that you have a solid character, but I suspect that we're weak on drone power. Maybe putting some of that extra karma in piloting, rigging and mechanical pets and friends?
After all, if you don't have a team troll, there's a lot to be said for having some disposable, dangerous metal on your side.
Koekepan
Nov 20 2019, 06:01 AM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 20 2019, 05:59 AM)

OK! OK!
So, just before Willie bashes down the door to the ganger hideout, Selina hits him with Fashion and Makeover to give him the most glamourous drag image possible, and Can Opener covers him in a glowing aura of Armour.
Then, CRASH! In he strides, and calls out to the stunned assembly inside, "I'm here! I'm here! Let the bells ring out and the banners fly. It's too good to be true, but Wilhemina GlamOrk is here!"
Whaddaya think?
Or, sustaining invisibility until he's in position for the best presentation. And then ta-daa!
You know, nothing like Willie just suddenly appearing next to the big boss's fave squeeze.
pbangarth
Nov 20 2019, 06:01 AM
Oh, Yeah? You sayin' Willie ain't tough as a troll? You think you can back that up? Huh, punk? Huh?
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 06:19 AM
QUOTE (Koekepan @ Nov 19 2019, 10:50 PM)

My take on it is that you have a solid character, but I suspect that we're weak on drone power. Maybe putting some of that extra karma in piloting, rigging and mechanical pets and friends?
Rigging isn't a skill, per se, aside from the cracking/electronics groups, with what makes a rigger (a control rig) being part of that 100 karma for gear, as would all the drones. Currently working on my equipment list. Wanting to hear back on the use of the other books listed (particularly War) before building the commlink, as the book default ones... suck. Firewall and System can be bought up, signal isn't a massive issue (especially once I factor in ECCM), but response 4 as base to work from? Ick. War has an 8R availability one with 5/5 as base hardware. And if I go implanted... well, I want the best up front that I can get. Maybe go another restricted gear to buy up to response 6...
QUOTE
After all, if you don't have a team troll, there's a lot to be said for having some disposable, dangerous metal on your side.
I actually considered going troll with this hacker, but for story reasons, she has to be an elf. That will come up a bit more when you all see the fully finished character bits.
Thanee
Nov 20 2019, 07:30 AM
@SleepIncarnate: Looks like you also have the old Karma Generation rules there, or some mixture of old and new. Attributes cost new level x5 after the errata and SR4A update, not new level x3. See
here.
Also, I don't think any Knowledge Skills are free with the Karma system, that's only for using BP and Priorities.
Bye
Thanee
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 07:38 AM
Ah, wasn't sure. Mulcarn stated otherwise normal aside from his changes, and he did give the charisma x2 contacts. Will sleep on it and fix it in the morning. I never did use my freebie contact points.
Thanee
Nov 20 2019, 08:33 AM
Yes, but that is normal for Karma Generation, unfortunately.
I also like to use free points for Knowledge Skills (as in the other generation methods) there, since most of these skills are fairly useless, anyways, and mostly to round out the character. Spending Karma on them always feels like a bit of a waste.

Well, who knows, maybe Mulcarn, when he reads this, will add the free Knowledge Skills to the house rules.

Bye
Thanee
Mulcarn
Nov 20 2019, 04:24 PM
QUOTE (SleepIncarnate @ Nov 19 2019, 11:22 PM)

Maybe some more contacts and knowledge skills/language skills, but that's gonna be hard pressed to eat up 121 karma. Depending on my available funds, I may shoot for alphaware for some of the more essence expensive pieces, if allowed, allowing for other stuff. I'd like to get Wired Reflexesfor better AR hacking, but that's one of those heavy cost ones. Speaking of advanced stuff, what about advanced tech in books such as War, This Old Drone, Used Car Lot, and Unfriendly Skies? Are any/all of those up for grabs as long as they fit within the usual 12 (20 with restricted gear) availability rating?
Those books are not in use at the moment. Potentially will continue to not use them for the entire campaign. For char-gen and for in game purposes the only ones allowed at this time are the ones listed on pg. 1 of the recruitment thread. Way of the Adept I'd allow since it simply gives a mechanical explanation for picking the different Adept Ways listed in Street Magic.
QUOTE (Thanee @ Nov 20 2019, 02:33 AM)

Yes, but that is normal for Karma Generation, unfortunately.
I also like to use free points for Knowledge Skills (as in the other generation methods) there, since most of these skills are fairly useless, anyways, and mostly to round out the character. Spending Karma on them always feels like a bit of a waste.

Well, who knows, maybe Mulcarn, when he reads this, will add the free Knowledge Skills to the house rules.

Bye
Thanee
Hmmmmmmm, Knowledge Skills by themselves are rather niche. I'd have taken it into consideration of allowing free Knowledge Skills the same way the BP system allows them. Which is (Logic + Intuition) x 3 I believe. Hmmmmm… okay everybody gets free Knowledges skills the same way as BP-Gen.
Thanee
Nov 20 2019, 04:32 PM

Bye
Thanee
Mulcarn
Nov 20 2019, 04:41 PM
Edited the first post to reflect the above changes.
pbangarth
Nov 20 2019, 06:08 PM
Oh, good. I had built Willie assuming the free points were available.
Willie bows to IC Princess's greater commitment to transformative change.
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 06:10 PM
And the change to x5 instead of x3 leaves me at -5 karma if I use all 100 for nuyen. Still building out that list. Hackers and riggers have sooooo many equipment purchases. But judging by costs, I'll probably use close to all of it. Will also move around a few points in active skills to include some more piloting. Don't need that much in some skills, like infiltration, pistols, etc., so should be able to get some more piloting skills.
pbangarth
Nov 20 2019, 06:12 PM
QUOTE (Koekepan @ Nov 20 2019, 01:01 AM)

Or, sustaining invisibility until he's in position for the best presentation. And then ta-daa!
You know, nothing like Willie just suddenly appearing next to the big boss's fave squeeze.
I like it!
Thanee
Nov 20 2019, 06:32 PM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 20 2019, 07:08 PM)

Oh, good. I had built Willie assuming the free points were available.
"Knowledge Skills (15 pts.) + [31]"
Your Knowledge Skills should only cost [10], though.
4/3/3/3/2 = 15 pts. -- leaves 2/1/1/1 = 10 Karma.
Bye
Thanee
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 06:41 PM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 20 2019, 11:08 AM)

Willie bows to IC Princess's greater commitment to transformative change.
You assume she did it willingly...
In other news, before even getting to programs, I overspent the full 250k, so... I will sadly have to say goodbye to the encephalon (it alone ate up 75k) so I can afford all the actual programs and such to be a hacker. *sniffles* Farewell, my two bonus dice to all hacking stuff and bonus die to all other logic based stuff...
Speaking of... Mulcarn, since the sex change was not her choice and is part of her background, can I get that with just the essence cost but not the nuyen cost? For quick reference, she was sold to a bunraku parlor by a rival of her parents who had them killed. He took their only child, a boy, gave him a sex change to hide his identity, and then sold him to be a puppet.
Thanee
Nov 20 2019, 07:04 PM
Yeah, that encephalon is seriously expensive (Nuyen- and Essence-wise).
Bye
Thanee
pbangarth
Nov 20 2019, 07:07 PM
QUOTE (Thanee @ Nov 20 2019, 01:32 PM)

"Knowledge Skills (15 pts.) + [31]"
Your Knowledge Skills should only cost [10], though.
4/3/3/3/2 = 15 pts. -- leaves 2/1/1/1 = 10 Karma.
Bye
Thanee
I went by the scale in the karma generation system on pg. 41:
"Improving Knowledge/Language Skill by 1 --- New Rating"
Applying the scale to the starting points too.
Thanee
Nov 20 2019, 07:10 PM
Ahhh... no, the free Knowledge Skills should be in Rating points, not in Karma points. That's how it works in BP, too.
Bye
Thanee
Koekepan
Nov 20 2019, 07:12 PM
OK, I updated Kathy's sheet with her free knowledge skills.
Now she can actually talk business in a talismongery like she should! Not to mention being knowledgeable about her magical environment as well as the world around her.
Clever kid, she's not just street smart.
pbangarth
Nov 20 2019, 07:12 PM
Uh, OK. I'll see what else I can do with him, then. Thx.
Mulcarn
Nov 20 2019, 07:41 PM
The cost of the Sex Change BioSculpt is 20,000 nuyen. That's a lot of money to waste on an insult to some dead people who will never find out. To answer your question, Yes I'll allow the nuyen cost to be free while the essence cost remains.
However, I might impose 1 negative quality upon her due to the tremendous amount of mental stress from being forcibly gender bent.
Mulcarn
Nov 20 2019, 07:52 PM
I highly recommend using 4e Chummer for character building. Practically all of my House Rules and Char-gen rules can be turned on via the options.
Chummer
pbangarth
Nov 20 2019, 08:06 PM
Thanks for the builder, I'll use that
when if Willie bites it.
Updated Willie is in post #75.
I decided I should add some Intimidation for Willie, which is clearly the most likely Charisma-based skill he would use. In doing so I noticed I had not paid double for Social Skills (because of the Uncouth Quality). That's done.
Added some more blade skill and knuckled under and bought a katana. What can I say?
Sooner or later, Uncouth Willie
will ask one of the magicians, "Hey, will you touch my sword and make it magical?" I know he will pay a price for that.
Koekepan
Nov 20 2019, 09:46 PM
"Awww, you know all you had to do was ask, big guy. Here, drop your pants and let me go get my knife..."
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (Mulcarn @ Nov 20 2019, 12:41 PM)

The cost of the Sex Change BioSculpt is 20,000 nuyen. That's a lot of money to waste on an insult to some dead people who will never find out. To answer your question, Yes I'll allow the nuyen cost to be free while the essence cost remains.
However, I might impose 1 negative quality upon her due to the tremendous amount of mental stress from being forcibly gender bent.
I kind of already did, but didn't list it since I'm not taking points for it. Amnesia. Here's the basic premise of her backstory.
[ Spoiler ]
Born to a duke and duchess of Tir Tairngire, a young boy was their only heir. Several years later, when the boy was on the onset of puberty, though still rather feminine in appearance and demeanor for most boys his age, his parents underwent the rite of progression to become royals. During the cross-country event, the boy's parents died in a "tragic accident." One of their rivals in the event instead won, and was granted the lands and property of the dead parents. This included their child, who had no other family to take him in. The newly appointed royal, in order to prevent the child from getting revenge further down the line, took the child to be given a sex change, and then sold to a Yakuza bunraku parlor in Seattle.
After some time, perhaps several years, of having female persona softs shoved into him, coupled with a faulty data filter implant meaning he often remembered the sessions but began to forget himself, the boy turned girl eventually forgot who s/he had been, with the exception of the hatred and the face of the man who had done this. Eventually, getting free of the parlor, the former puppet began to look into finding out who the face she hated so much belonged to. Eventually, she found him, and using the Matrix, managed to enact her own justice on him, getting the revenge he so sorely hoped to avoid. Her actions in this revenge plot caught the attention of Chaos Engine, who took her in, trained her, and helped her develop her current identity of IC Princess.
There's still bits in flux, obviously, nothing set in stone yet. I might decide to have the nuyen cost covered by her starter cash. Just looking at how to get under that 250k mark. Haven't bought vehicle, drones, or lifestyle yet, and including the 20k from the sex change, only have a little over 8k left... That's after cutting out the encephalon. Will let you know what I decide. If I decide to pay for it, she might not have as much amnesia as otherwise, and it might be that she was already trans before hand. Will see.
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (Koekepan @ Nov 20 2019, 02:46 PM)

"Awww, you know all you had to do was ask, big guy. Here, drop your pants and let me go get my knife..."
Not the axe?
Thanee
Nov 20 2019, 10:47 PM
QUOTE (SleepIncarnate @ Nov 20 2019, 11:36 PM)

Just looking at how to get under that 250k mark.
Did you buy your programs the regular way or as pirated software? The latter saves a lot of money up front (but adds a constant maintenance cost).
Bye
Thanee
SleepIncarnate
Nov 20 2019, 11:01 PM
QUOTE (Thanee @ Nov 20 2019, 03:47 PM)

Did you buy your programs the regular way or as pirated software? The latter saves a lot of money up front (but adds a constant maintenance cost).
Bye
Thanee
Regular. I seem to remember it being like 90% cheaper, but haven't found the rules in unwired that state that. I've seen talk of pirated, but not that specific number.
Koekepan
Nov 20 2019, 11:18 PM
QUOTE (SleepIncarnate @ Nov 21 2019, 01:36 AM)

Not the axe?
"Delicate work requires delicate tools." muses Kathy while honing the long survival knife on a piece of exposed plasticrete. "Y'know, there's a reason people call 'em fetishes. Nothing comes without a price. Working in the talismongery taught me that."
pbangarth
Nov 21 2019, 01:07 AM
"I can see working with these people is going to be interesting," Willie thinks as he watches the blade being sharpened. "Small and fragile, but no pushovers. I like it! But ... she's not really thinking seriously about it, is she?"
"Nice touch," he says. "I think I'll keep as much of me as possible. If nothing else, there'll be more of me to block bullets."
Mulcarn
Nov 21 2019, 05:09 AM
Since PbP games tend to run a little slow, I'm going to be streamlining/handwaving a few things for brevity purposes.
1. Training Times
When it comes to leveling up Skills and Attributes you don't need to spend X amount of weeks or months training to get the desired rank. If you have the Karma you get to make the purchase.
2. Initiative and Action Phases
For every encounter Initiative will be rolled once and only once. Upon your turn you will be able to act a number of times in succession equal to the number of Initiative Passes you currently possess. Outside of these changes all standard rules apply.
Example - If you have 3 IPs then you get to take 6 simple actions or 3 complex actions. Broken up into separate Action Phases for the purpose of determining Recoil and other such modifiers.
Koekepan
Nov 21 2019, 05:10 AM
Kathy pauses. "Oh. Well, it would have been interesting." She puts the knife away in its sheath. "But probably also expensive. Hey, want some of my homebrew? It's magically delicious!"
SleepIncarnate
Nov 21 2019, 06:08 AM
QUOTE (Thanee @ Nov 20 2019, 03:47 PM)

Did you buy your programs the regular way or as pirated software? The latter saves a lot of money up front (but adds a constant maintenance cost).
Bye
Thanee
Found it! Sort of. The 10% cost was the difference between current degraded rating and full rating. There's no cost for up front pirated that I can see, unless that 10% is what Mulcarn wants to go with. There is a 50% one for open source though, so not pirated per se, but still reduced cost. Gonna sleep on it, figure out what I'm doing tomorrow, and hopefully by tomorrow night have all of it done.
Thanee
Nov 21 2019, 07:43 AM
Yeah, the info is a bit scattered around...
See p. 94 Unwired ("Downloading Programs").
Bye
Thanee
SleepIncarnate
Nov 21 2019, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (Thanee @ Nov 21 2019, 12:43 AM)

Yeah, the info is a bit scattered around...
See p. 94 Unwired ("Downloading Programs").
Bye
Thanee
Can't believe I missed that in the first paragraph but caught the upkeep costs in the second. Shows how tired I was. Yeah, pirating for the win. Not like I don't have access to several hacker contacts to help find warez sites when needed. That will help a ton. Probably gain back 60k or so.
pbangarth
Nov 21 2019, 03:20 PM
QUOTE (Mulcarn @ Nov 21 2019, 12:09 AM)

Since PbP games tend to run a little slow, I'm going to be streamlining/handwaving a few things for brevity purposes.
1. Training Times
When it comes to leveling up Skills and Attributes you don't need to spend X amount of weeks or months training to get the desired rank. If you have the Karma you get to make the purchase.
2. Initiative and Action Phases
For every encounter Initiative will be rolled once and only once. Upon your turn you will be able to act a number of times in succession equal to the number of Initiative Passes you currently possess. Outside of these changes all standard rules apply.
Example - If you have 3 IPs then you get to take 6 simple actions or 3 complex actions. Broken up into separate Action Phases for the purpose of determining Recoil and other such modifiers.
I see the brevity benefit of both. #1 won't affect in game actions. #2 will have a massive effect, though. Those of us who are fast will be able to pulverize those who are slow before they have a chance to act. For example, Willie could take six shots at the opposing mage before she could try to fry his brains. Your choice, boss, but if we go this way I think I will want to speed up Willie as much as possible.
Mulcarn
Nov 21 2019, 03:32 PM
The alternative would be a glacial pace of going in order of each person 1 pass at a time. In a RL flesh and blood tabletop game that wouldn't be much of a problem. But this is PbP, so I prefer if tedium could be reduced as much as possible.
And it's not a huge change really. Just a simpler, more organic one.
pbangarth
Nov 21 2019, 04:03 PM
OK! I've still got some work to do on Willie (buying flashlights, checking arithmetic and such), so I will take another look at him.
One change I have been considering for a while is giving up on the control rig rigger aspect, especially since SleepIncarnate is considering doing that properly. Willie is very much a wind-in-his-hair, fly-by-the-seat-of-his-pants kind of guy, so relying on REA and Skills might be more true to him.
He talks to me, you know. Usually early in the morning, right after I open my eyes, I hear his voice.
SleepIncarnate
Nov 21 2019, 04:33 PM
Narrowing it down. Gonna hafta find something to skimp on a bit so I can afford a lifestyle, but the software bit helps. Can I pirate autosofts, pilots, and agents as well?
Thanee
Nov 21 2019, 05:48 PM
I believe so. Just remember, that it does add a sizable monthly cost to keep them up to date.
Bye
Thanee
Thanee
Nov 21 2019, 05:50 PM
QUOTE (Mulcarn @ Nov 21 2019, 04:32 PM)

The alternative would be a glacial pace of going in order of each person 1 pass at a time. In a RL flesh and blood tabletop game that wouldn't be much of a problem. But this is PbP, so I prefer if tedium could be reduced as much as possible.
I guess we can just try it and see if it causes any problems. I definitely can see it causing some crazy stuff.
In general, I don't think the regular method is a huge problem in PbP. Sure, it takes some time, but everything does.

Bye
Thanee
SleepIncarnate
Nov 21 2019, 09:53 PM
QUOTE (Thanee @ Nov 21 2019, 10:48 AM)

I believe so. Just remember, that it does add a sizable monthly cost to keep them up to date.
Bye
Thanee
The hacking ones are monthly, common use ones are every other month.
That's 1500 nuyen monthly for the hacking stuff, 80 every other month for common, plus 750 for the autosofts I got. Basically 1915 monthly for all of them. That's not bad, and can be rolled into lifestyle costs after chargen. Will look into it though, since I did drop the agent. That's worth getting full price, if I can afford it.
Koekepan
Nov 21 2019, 10:02 PM
On the topic of homebrew, I decided to shift a little artisan point from fabric crafts to brewing.
After all, fabric crafts to the point of being a competent embroiderer isn't hard (especially cross-stitch) but brewing deserves a little dwarven love.
Thanee
Nov 21 2019, 10:12 PM
With those Artisan Skills, have you considered Inspired? Should still fit into your positive qualities.
If you simply lower both skills down a rank, you only need 2 more Karma for it, and would then raise them both by two ranks.

Bye
Thanee
pbangarth
Nov 21 2019, 10:18 PM
QUOTE (Koekepan @ Nov 21 2019, 12:10 AM)

Kathy pauses. "Oh. Well, it would have been interesting." She puts the knife away in its sheath. "But probably also expensive. Hey, want some of my homebrew? It's magically delicious!"
"Brew? You said, brew? Yeah, I'm up for that!" {Willie has survived many 'homebrews' that were not specifically meant to kill.}
Koekepan
Nov 21 2019, 10:41 PM
QUOTE (Thanee @ Nov 22 2019, 01:12 AM)

With those Artisan Skills, have you considered Inspired? Should still fit into your positive qualities.
If you simply lower both skills down a rank, you only need 2 more Karma for it, and would then raise them both by two ranks.

Bye
Thanee
You know, you make an excellent point. Let me recalculate ...
Koekepan
Nov 21 2019, 11:14 PM
Kathy heads out and returns with what looks like an old fire extinguisher ... wait, it IS an old fire extinguisher, and a few old bulk nutrisoy jugs, swinging from her fingers. She plonks down the jugs, then inverts the extinguisher and pumps a brown-beige fluid into the jugs. It fizzes angrily, and smells intensely of ginger, lemon and bakeries. Delivery done, she plonks the extinguisher on the floor, grabs a jug and knocks back a hearty swig before smacking her lips and wiping her mouth with her sleeve. "That's the good stuff! Dry as a bone, smooth as a stone, strong as a troll, fills the right hole. Have a jug!"
Dwarven hospitality may occasionally leave something to be desired, but their drink is serious business.
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