If the armor is not hardened (as in our example), the absurd armor rating character is still vulnerable to attacks of 1L.

If you play by canon, the rules don't tell you where someone was hit. If a heavily armored character is hit with a Hold-Out Pistol with 8 net successes before Damage Resistance and the character only gets 2 successes on DamRes, the GM could descibe it as being hit in the forehead.

I agree that some way of making heavy armor more useful against attacks should exist. I personally give an additional die on the Damage Resistance test for each point armor would drop the Power of the attack under 2. Thus 10 points of Ballistics armor vs Hold-Out Pistol = 2L with 8 extra dice on the Damage Resistance test.

It's interesting how lots of us for some reason don't like to deal with the system we are given and seem compelled to make it more real. It's a game that deals in *alot* of fantasy topics, that usually halts most of my desire to make it more believable and logical.

I wonder how many of us change up the rules of Monopoly or Stratego to add more realism? $5000 for landing on Boardwalk?!??!! Damned property values are rediculous!

I am the GM most of the time, and when I'm not the GM likewise understands the value of using a consistent and previously known set of rules. There have been occasions when during games we have made a ruling and then researched it later, but last time I checked we're not playing a game that could get bogged down by discussing this right now.

Given infinite time, I will generally try to approach infinite precision with regards to examining the SR3 rules. Then I make revisions if necessary, but I never try to pass off those revisions as logical extensions of canon.

~J

So your player's characters wear, at the absolute most, Armored Clothing (Ballistic 3)? And if not that, they're strapping on MilGrade Hardened Armor? To each their own.

Actually, in one game they wear ballistic cloth backed leather clothes. We are going with an old cyberpunk feel.

In another game milspec is what they wear when on runs. Rest of the time heaviest thing i have seen is a gel pack lined coat.

Not before I had added many holes to your cranium for using that piece of errata in the first place.

~J

I hope you realize how righteously awesome it would be if someone did that. It would be like something out of Knights Of The Dinner Table.

Think about it...Stratego with cannon support, a "dynsentry" card that you could play on an enemy unit, pre-game assaults on enemy supply lines, and using pieces from your HeroQuest box set to represent battlefield entrenchments.

Monopoly would be even better. Since the game originated in, like, the 30s, we could incorporate a mafia element...at least it would justify the Go To Jail cards. You could pay various amounts of money to have your mafia contacts firebomb property and destroy it, or make a hotel not count for a certain number of turns by driving away the tourist with a "Drive-by Thompson SMG .45ACP peppering" power play. Then there would also be G Men who would move randomly around the board and make the square they were in immune to mob-based hits. Finally, there would be one almightly G Man, the "Dual 1911 Wielding Vengance Cop" who, if you had used the mafia power plays at all during the game, if he was in the same square as your token would unload his 1911s into you and make you die, removing you from the game.

Depending on the power to body relation ... And it's an optional rule

I would like to see a reference to this, because according to Canon, it is an armor rating added not a barrier or barrier rating. Otherwise this would be a limited barrier spell.

That is the exact wording of the spell in question.

So then Doc, here is a quick question... How do you do the math when an elmental is being shot at that has a Force 6 armor spell on. Does the spell also get the immunity to normal weapons factor or is it considered the basic armor bought at the peewee hermon store?

And yes, I'm looking for a description of more than just one ammo type to clerify the importance here.

Sorry but YOU have an old book with a misprint.... try reading the erratta.

Those are two completely different effects with their own rules. No, the Armor spell does not gain the benefits of Immunity to Normal Weapons. If the attack is enough to get past the elementals immunity, its Power is reduced normally by both effects, but the Armor spell's Force isn't even referenced to see if the attack is enough to get past in the first place.

APDS/AV doesn't have any special effect on Immunity, but it still halves the Armor spell's effect by half as per the standard rules.

And lorthazar, you're quoting the Physical Barrier spell, not the Armor spell. Regardless, what's your point with the quote? It creates a Barrier Rating that's affected just like any other Barrier Rating save that it's 1) magical and 2) replenishes at the end of a Combat Turn.

FASA wrote mine, too.

I disagree, specifically because the exact spell's

The key here, is that this quote does not say that is't soft armor that stacks with your worn armor, it says it adds to your existing worn armor. If your existing worn armor is hardened, then it would add hardened, as it's explicityl adding it's rating to the rating of the physical armor you are wearing.

If that's the case, what's the difference between the Armor spell and the Physical Barrier spell? What you're describing is nothing more than an Personal Physical Barrier spell.

Articulated just like a person with an IQ of 182.