ok im going to run and hide from every one cuzz i know we all hate dikote but i have some questions about costs

i know you can dikote spurs but ive never see a price can any one give me a price for troll dikoted spurs. im also looking to get a price for dikoting some bone lacing as well as body armor.

Surface area of a spur (2in radius X 12in length) 0.0574222 m^2 per spur?

I've always thought Doctor Funk's 24,000ish number was good for spur dikote.

Wouldn't the metal of a sword,spur, or knife also suffer from the hydrogen embrittlement issue? I know you can't galvanize A490 bolts due to that issue, I don't see why swords would be any less subject to the issue than titanium or steel bolts.

No rationalizing Dikote!!!

Dikote is the byproduct that is generated when a mages makes loves his/her ally spirit Ares Slivergun Homonculi Drone. Tiny gnomes aka nanites gather up the byproduct and paint it gingerly onto your items for a very large price.

It's in the book.

Heres an even more rational reason why you can't dikote bonelacing. You punch, your now very sharp and hard bones come out through the tops of your finger and hand, as well as having your shoulder come out your back. Congratulations.

The biggest concern with dikoting your bones would be the lack of friction between your tendons and ligaments, etc. I could see a lot of dislocations due to extreme slipperiness of dikoted bones (think teflon or kynar, similar concept actually). It would be like having enhanced articulation all over and not just in the joints.

I was just wondering about this in regards to basic bone lacing myself. How do tendons and muscle attach to..say ceramic?

I would guess that since the bone is covered by the tendon/ligament anchorage the bone there would not be coated during implantation.

Perhaps teflon bonelacing is the cheap man's dikote...

Yup, I didn't even think about how the lacing was applied, duh. Stupid nanites.

Embrittlement doesn't matter so much because the object is coated with diamond. So long as the diamond holds up it'll remain together. The base material just provides shape for the diamond coating. Its popular because building a sword out of solid diamond would be much more expensive.

For bonelacing, on the other hand. It would require removing your skin first.

And don't you think that some people would remove their skin?

Then the muscle, and then destroying your bone marrow (if not the bone itself) for a +2 armor rating and a cost I don't even want to calculate?

DOn't forget romoving the brain from the skull. Unless you don't mind it being cremated.

huh? it wouldn't require removing your skin, it'd require removing your bones--probably one at a time, or even a piece at a time--then coating them, then sticking them back in place. of course, there's the question of whether or not bone can survive the application process intact.

I'm fairly positive that putting your bones through a plasma furnace results in a lot of carbon ash and no bone. This doensn't even count the fact that it was stated that the current forms of bone lacing are the only materials that could be made to work with the process. dikote isn't on that list.

the best way to do it, honestly, would be to just nanoforge a diamond-laced calcium bone around cloned marrow, then use more nanites to help grow cappillaries into the porous bone structure at the top and bottom of most bones to heck with this pussy "keep the original bones" nonsense.

me either. but to the extent that adding diamond to your bone structure would be possible at all--actual dikoting being very definitely impossible--that'd be the way i think you'd have to do it, to gain any actual effect. of course, nano-producing a diamond coating on anything is, in SR, impossible, or they'd probably use that instead of dikoting. so the whole idea's moot anyway.

ok so now that i see dikoting bonelacing is a no go (or just to much of a pain in the ass to do) what about dikoting a cyberskull and other things like that? and any one want to guess at the cost of dikoting a broadsword

So, anyone have any opinions on Dikoting a monofilamint whip? Would it really be 13D damage?

I don't think Dikote is flexible.

I'd agree, no dikoting flexible weapons.

Well, I take back the no on flexible weapons. Nunchaku are considered "flexible" but the part you hit with is rigid, so that'd work, same with say a 3-section-staff, and other simlar weapons. Lets just go with a no on whips, doesn't work.

As a side note, even if you could, moving from 12D to 13D is worthless, the same as 7D is just as good as 6D.

I agree. I would want every extra point becuase of armor. One more point is one more point of armor the person has to have or throw against.

Which then logically brings us to the reason that dikote works for edged weapons in the first place. It keeps the edge sharp, and it makes the sides really slippery. The edge does the initial work for starting a flaw in the material to be cut, and the wedge that is the blade helps propigate the flaw by prying the material appart as it slides through. A sword is the simplest of machines, an inclined plane and nothing more. The lack of friction allows the inertial force of the swung blade to be less resisted thereby increasing the power and damage code in SR terms.

So, the conclusion is that dikote on a round thing is useless. No wedge, no increase in power or damage. Just really expensive bones/staves/nun chucks.

I'm pretty sure that it gives a power bonus, it just doesn't add one to the DL as well. The reasoning is that if I hit you with some oak/steel nunchuku, you are going to be very unhappy. If I hit you with some steel nunchuku covered with a harder substance, you're going to be more unhappy.

Because, woods that you make nunchucku or bats out of are already very hard. Steel nunchuku only hurt worse primarily because they have more mass. I'd say the dikoting just helps by making in that fractionally bit harder, and besides, its expensive and in a game, so it should do something useful.

As was argued before, the strength gain of dikote on a round object is miniscule to the point of ridiculous. And since it is so thin it will not add to the "hardness" of the pipe whacking you upside the head. The area of impact will not change due to dikote and the force of the blow will not change due to dikote, therefore the damaging effects of a bludgeoning weapon cannot be affected by dikote.

However, it would assist if someone were to attempt to cut your blunt object.

Not for a direct blow. It is too damn thin. For a glancing blow the cutting edge may slip, but that is it.

After reading the description of Dikote (tm ;) in the books and imagening some time over it (and having a little experience with different metals, their properties and so on) I came to the conclusion that Dikote on the one side sharpenes edged weapons because on the edge itself an even smaller edge of diamonds is applied. so far, so good. on even objects i'd say it hardens the material, in the technological aspect.
"The hardness of a material is it's resistance against any object trying to pierce it."
so it would harden any material, making it more difficult for bullets to get through.
where i'm at my next point.
I always thought of plated armor to be...you know, take the plates out of some kind of bag or loose some screws to get them...thinking of something like professional motorbike protection gear.

any agrees or disagrees?

Also the lined coat has similair construction

The plate put in vest is normally titantium and the vest is made of like a 10 layer kevlar... "Kevlar" Is the mesh meterial that disperses the impact of the wound thus making displaces its intertial over an area and not a fine point.

Man dikote is just a no go in any of my campigns really.. i get sick of the "Everyplayer had everything dikoted" same problem with the AVS "everybody gets one" Its just ehh.. be different.. run around with a Panther assualt cannon in the streets with monofilament dreadlocks shooting up stuff =)

But yeah the cyber skull dikote is lelgitamite.. just dikote it before its installed... i amsure there is a way to Dikote bonelacing.. buuuuttt.. i'm not going to get in to that.

my main char only has one piece of dikoted gear: his shades. dammit, he needs those shades.