Two words: Budgets. Accountants.

Or making Con 7 assault rifles...

Unless you have double barrels.

Do you have it posted anywhere? I'd really like to see it if possible.

No, even then it's still pretty much universally stupid.

Hey, like I said It wasn't gonna happen yesterday.

It'll happen in a few hours when I get home.

And yes, I can post the firearms creation version but it's harder to post because it's in the form of an excel table. Tables translate badly to forums.

I may export it as HTML and post it to a temporary website though... hmmm...

As a warning my firearm creation rules in some ways are more balanced but they still require GM observation. Also, like the ones in the book, they are designed for mass market pistols. It makes reasonably priced pistols in line with what's in the book. It's not for custom or one off pistols, which would cost several times more.

Explain. And preferably, in a non-condescending way. I'm not saying that I support the use of double clips and double barrels, but historically, multiple barreled guns were and are fairly common for one reason or another. The old-style revolvers actually were multiple-barreled muskets that rotated on a pivot.

It is feasible. Someone could make it. It's about as easy as duct-taping two guns together (something out of a cheap action flick, but it works).

I'm mailing you a package. Don't shake it and put your head to it as close as possible while opening.

Grenade launchers are a special case in that they're really two weapons stuck together.

I think I saw something like this on that Firearms show they run on the History channel every once in while. If I remember correctly (and I could be NOT remembering correctly), the idea bombed and the few guns that were made are now museum pieces. I have a better idea than 2 clips ... 2 Guns! Seriously though, I've never met a runner that really really was concerned with using real ammo or not. I've trained my players against wonton destruction and disregard for human life, but sometimes you gotta let the lead fly!
Player 1: Should I stun bolt him or mana bolt him.
Player 2: That was real lead they plugged me with, and that's what I'll be returning.
Player 1: Mana Bolt it is!

Or get the adept powers Nimble Fingers and Multi Tasking in wich case you can switch ammo in the middle of an action (may require Smartgun link).

That makes sense. Thanks.

Isn't the gun usually the only thing the victim does remember?

Although I agree with mfb and kevyn: Those are pretty excessive burdens for something that GM fiat can simply disallow (especially when something especially excessive has a higher Avail than starting PCs can purchase). Distinctive Flaw might be one tradeoff, but I'd still give them the break on the BP from taking the Flaw. But, GM fiat is just that.

And here I thought I was a bastard GM and Player.

Who? Moi? I'm always kind and fair in my posts.

And I can't stand it!

Its a gift.

A kid I know was driving through a nearby area and got tailgated. This truck tailgates him for three miles and doesn't let up. This kid, being a pretty good driver, decides to fuck with him, and slams on his brakes. The truck stops inches short of his rear bumper. Man gets out of truck with a pistol and points it at him. Kid drives the fuck away.

What's the moral of the story?

"What kind of gun was it?"
"Fuck, man, I didn't stick around long enough to find out."

Unless we're talking about specops types in close terrain, it's pretty much idiotic to think any near reasonable weapon is going to be that distinctive. Unless there's footage to review later, for most people, a gun is a gun and it's shooting at me so I'm going to stay behind the goddamn car, if you don't mind.

It's cool. I just couldn't resist, Damn my low Willpower.

Firearms and Melee... Both are up now =)

You miss the point.

When ambushed people remember the gun, not the person holding it.

This is distinctive because he wasn't ambushed. He was being followed for three friggin' miles before the gun came out.

A dual-feed magazine is certainly not the most practical thing in the world, but it doesn't have to be quite that stupid. It would probably be even less practical on a rifle rather than a pistol. Anyway, here's my idea.

Think of it like two single-stack magazines welded together. Then think of a rotating breech face or non-locking bolt that can be operated via a flush "feed lever" mounted either on top of the slide or on one side behind the ejection port, with a single extractor and plunger ejector passing through it (like the M16 bolt without the locking lugs). 180° opposite the switch (or 90° depending on where the feed lever is) there's a "tab" on the bottom of the breech face that pushes each cartridge into the chamber. When the switch is pushed to the right, the gun feeds from the left magazine. Pushed to the left, it feeds from the right magazine. Alternately, this could be done with a crossbolt. This can be performed whether the action is open or locked.

Now, when one magazine runs dry, its follower presses up on a lever on its side that automatically switches the breech face to feed from the next magazine (doesn't matter what order). When both magazines are dry, both followers press up on these levers, locking the slide open. The dry magazines are then ejected and a fresh one inserted. While retracting the slide, the user presses the feed lever to whichever side he chooses, then releases the slide to move forward and chamber a round.

If there's already a round chambered and you want to switch ammunition, you can either switch the feed lever and manually eject the round in the chamber or you can switch the feed lever and fire the round in the chamber and follow it up with a second shot from the chosen magazine.

Obviously it is more mechanically complicated, so there's that. You can only use one cartridge, but two different loads for it (say one mag frangible and one mag AP). It would also take some training to use effectively in close quarters. And it's arguably more complicated (though perhaps not so time-consuming) than just switching magazines when the need arises. But it doesn't have to be quite as silly as having two of everything.

Yeah, it could pretty easily be made to fire from an open bolt. Most machine guns and several submachine guns are fired that way (Thompson M1, M3, Uzi, etc...). The amount of time it takes for the bolt to slam forward is pretty much inconsequential (you wouldn't have to "speed up" anything); it's not real great for accuracy but it's good enough for government work. Firing from an open bolt can also simplify the firing system (no need for a hammer/striker or moving firing pin; the trigger just releases the bolt or slide, the round chambers, the firing pin smacks the primer). But I don't think there would be any need to do that anyway. Of course, there's really no need for a dual-feed magazine, so...

Maybe the guy who made the suggestion didn't.

Eh, I think of it as a way to conserve those oh-so-precious few APDS rounds and capsules with nasty drek in them. It's in the canon rules (however stupid they might sound), so I'll just assume that someone came up with a workable idea after havign sixty years and gazillions of corp dollars invested in firearms.

It seems like whether one remembers the gun or the gunman is dependant on the individual and the situation.

What?

Remington Shotgun, Take a hacksaw to it and take off Half length of the barrel, Then take the Stock over to the jig saw and leaving the attach/detach part of the stock alone saw off the top portion, carving knives and sandpaper and some finish for the rest of it. Not pump action though Stock Action, you pull the bar down to eject the spent shell, and pull it up to load the next round into the chamber.

I understand the sawing off and such, what I'm not sure about is "stock action" and "twirl reload". About the closest thing I can deduce from what you're saying would pretty much be Arnold's bit in T2. That was a Winchester 1887 shotgun. It's a lever action repeater and it only has one barrel. I believe they stopped making them in 1901. If you're thinking about a break action ("double barrel" would kind of suggest that), Remington does make over/unders, but I'm at a loss as to how one could accomplish anything described as a "twirl reload" with a break action, as it's not a repeater.

The only other lever action shotgun I can think of is the Winchester 9410, which they started making about three years ago.