Full Version: Pistols
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| And an 'r' in 'grammar'. |
Would you believe I thought she was talking about her nanna..
And English is my first (and last) language too!
weapons first: I have pistols B/R so i will take the advice and mod them into machine pistols...... great idea, I Just like having them around if you know what I mean!?
Spelling: If you look at what i put down in the phonetic you will understand where i am coming from, well most of the time, I wont make excuses I'm pap more so if i am in a rush....... as I have explained before dyslexic not stupid!
Thanks for the spelling pointers though....... it all helps!
Spelling: If you look at what i put down in the phonetic you will understand where i am coming from, well most of the time, I wont make excuses I'm pap more so if i am in a rush....... as I have explained before dyslexic not stupid!
Thanks for the spelling pointers though....... it all helps!
| QUOTE (torzzzzz) |
| Spelling: If you look at what i put down in the phonetic you will understand where i am coming from [...] |
Yeah, that's one easy way to tell UK forumgoers from their US counterparts: they often leave out their post-vocalic R's.
Doesn't bother me in the least, as long as I can understand what you're saying.
The point is that we have quite a few people who don't speak English as a native language who can take the little extra time and effort needed to make coherent posts and/or check their spelling either by eye or with the aid of the spellchecker. It isn't hard to do so, and seems to be just common courtesy.
In my experience, the best English speakers I've ever run into online don't speak it as their native language (Austere would be case in point). There are exceptions, sure, but as a general trend, it seems very true.
Doesn't mean they can't at least try.
No, I'm not disagreeing there. I'd prefer it greatly if the native English speakers managed a bit better.
I know we've drifted OT again but in many ways those people that have to think most about what they're writing BECAUSE it's a non-native language tend to produce the most readable posts - after all slang and abbreviations only appear when one is extremely comfortable with the language. I'd like to think I'm an exception, but then most people who know me IRL think I'm a (English) language nazi.
The advantage is that when someone is a native English speaker it becomes easier to tell gender and age from the style of writing... (although not always certain).
The advantage is that when someone is a native English speaker it becomes easier to tell gender and age from the style of writing... (although not always certain).
| QUOTE (Arethusa) |
| In my experience, the best English speakers I've ever run into online don't speak it as their native language (Austere would be case in point). There are exceptions, sure, but as a general trend, it seems very true. |
Writing, not speech.
You really have to be able to read and write in order to learn foreign languages in school. Your native tongue is something you learn as a child. My English looks much better in writing than my first language.
erm........ ok well for peple like me i will have to check well before i post! I do try very hard to get it right!
torz
torz
Issokay, even a few of us American'ts aren't perfect at this spelling, grammer, syntax stuff.
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| Issokay, even a few of us American'ts aren't perfect at this spelling, grammer, syntax stuff. |
Obviously!
The worst part is that we have no excuse. Any American can pick up a Strunk and White for less than 5 bucks or look at it online (http://www.bartleby.com/141/), but judging from most online correspondence, not many do. What do people learn in school nowadays? I hear that grade school kids are being taught how to do math with calculators instead of learning how to do calculate in their heads. I'm guessing the same thing is happening with writing and speaking skills (spellchecker substituting for a good vocabulary).
That may have been an intentional joke.
(Well, the "American'ts" bit. The "grammer" not so much)
Hahnsoo: depends on what kind of math you're talking about. A lot of traditional higher math is flat-out obsolete on anything but a calculator. It's the same rant about programming exams having closed-book, no-compiler programming assignments: sure, we'll be ready next time we need to whip up a program in the jungle, but honestly, how many people will ever have to program something of any significance without reference texts and a compiler?
~J
(Well, the "American'ts" bit. The "grammer" not so much)
Hahnsoo: depends on what kind of math you're talking about. A lot of traditional higher math is flat-out obsolete on anything but a calculator. It's the same rant about programming exams having closed-book, no-compiler programming assignments: sure, we'll be ready next time we need to whip up a program in the jungle, but honestly, how many people will ever have to program something of any significance without reference texts and a compiler?
~J
well, if you roll enough successes, 6L is enough to kill someone.
Nightshade, physical adept, uses playing cards doing a whopping 2L damage and kills people all the time. Well, he usualy only inflicts Serious, but, whatever.
Nightshade, physical adept, uses playing cards doing a whopping 2L damage and kills people all the time. Well, he usualy only inflicts Serious, but, whatever.
yeah, but how many people can generate that many successes? handguns are for killing people. if an entire class of handgun can't reliably accomplish that task, nobody will use it.
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| Hahnsoo: depends on what kind of math you're talking about. A lot of traditional higher math is flat-out obsolete on anything but a calculator. It's the same rant about programming exams having closed-book, no-compiler programming assignments: sure, we'll be ready next time we need to whip up a program in the jungle, but honestly, how many people will ever have to program something of any significance without reference texts and a compiler? |
I'm talking about "4 times 3 equals 12" math, stuff that you should be able to do in your head. My friend has a middle school cousin who doesn't have a learning disability, but he can't multiply anything above 5 times 5 without using his fingers to keep track of the number groups. It's pretty sad. Not knowing basic math hinders your ability to estimate, which greatly influences your ability to do complex math, calculator or not. It's just like in programming... while you would never do programming without a compiler, you would know how to plan out your program by estimating with your basic programming knowledge.
| QUOTE (mfb @ Mar 3 2005, 03:26 PM) |
| yeah, but how many people can generate that many successes? |
Against an average, run-of-the-mill human, anyone with any decent skill (3 dice or above).
Hahnsoo: ok, that's just stupid. You definitely have a point there.
~J
I use AP3 with SL2 and standard ammo as my everyday weapon. The trick is to specialize and choose your shots.
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| Against an average, run-of-the-mill human, anyone with any decent skill (3 dice or above). |
not true at all. sure, if the target is standing still, it's bright out (but not too bright), and the shooter has time to aim, an average shooter with a light pistol can kill an average person. but being able to accomplish your task in the best possible conditions is not even similar to being able to accomplish your task reliably.
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not true at all. sure, if the target is standing still, it's bright out (but not too bright), and the shooter has time to aim, an average shooter with a light pistol can kill an average person. but being able to accomplish your task in the best possible conditions is not even similar to being able to accomplish your task reliably. |
correct.
3 dice for the pistol skill + 3 dice from combat pool = 6 dice
Called shot: Brain Pan (makes it 6M damage)
aiming for 6 turns = TN 2
likely successes: 4
that's 6D damage. The average human doesn't wear armour. rolling 3 dice = Dead.
| QUOTE (Chibu) |
| aiming for 6 turns = TN 2 |
You can only take up to half your skill in Take Aim actions, so you only get a -1 from a single Take Aim action with a Skill of 3.
| QUOTE (hahnsoo) | ||
You can only take up to half your skill in Take Aim actions, so you only get a -1 from a single Take Aim action with a Skill of 3. |
Really? Where's that? I don't think i've ever read it. must have just glanced over it.
It's in the core book, but I forget exactly where. It is there, though, and I'm sure bookninja'll hop around any moment, now.
Bookninja, attack!
Core Rules, page 107:
Core Rules, page 107:
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Take Aim A character may take aim with a ready ranged weapon (firearm, bow, or throwing weapon) as a Simple Action. Take Aim actions are cumulative, but the benefits are lost if the character takes any other kind of action, including a Free Action at any time. Take Aim actions may be extended over multiple Combat Phases and Initiative Passes, even from Combat Turn to Combat Turn. The maximum number of sequential Take Aim actions a character may take is equal to one-half the character’s base skill or specialization (if applicable) with that weapon, rounded down. Characters who are aiming over multiple Combat Phases may not use dice pool dice for any reason without losing the benefits of the Take Aim actions. Each Take Aim action reduces the base target number by 1. See Resolving Ranged Combat, p. 109. |
Correct. sr3.107, under Take Aim in Simple Actions.
[Edit]Screwed up clock favored hahnsoo most unfairly.
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[Edit]Screwed up clock favored hahnsoo most unfairly.
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| QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) |
| Correct. sr3.107, under Take Aim in Simple Actions. [Edit]Screwed up clock favored hahnsoo most unfairly. [/Edit] |
It helps to have a time machine, I guess.
I might put a spanner in the works here but i was told Aim is a complex action?, or did they just confuse the rule for extended simple action's over multiple combat rounds?
.......*cringe*
torz
( yipe, spell check just told me I had no mistakes, you lot must be helping!!
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Aiming is a simple action. Whoever told you that was wrong.
| QUOTE (torzzzzz) |
| I might put a spanner in the works here but i was told Aim is a complex action?, or did they just confuse the rule for extended simple action's over multiple combat rounds? .......*cringe* |
Each Take Aim action is a Simple Action. You were told wrong, or they were using House Rules that don't correspond to page 107 of SR3.
| QUOTE (torzzzzz @ Mar 3 2005, 05:11 PM) |
| I might put a spanner in the works here but i was told Aim is a complex action?, or did they just confuse the rule for extended simple action's over multiple combat rounds? .......*cringe* torz ( yipe, spell check just told me I had no mistakes, you lot must be helping!! ) |
Emphasis mine.
Next, we'll teach you punctuation and capitalization. Oh, and your signature misspells grammar and swapped.
Yes, I know I am cruel.
| QUOTE (hahnsoo) |
| Each Take Aim action is a Simple Action. You were told wrong, or they were using House Rules that don't correspond to page 107 of SR3. |
Thanks for that, I will tell them when we next play!
Oh and I wait with Bated breath for my next lesson on English Language!
Thanks!
Note: At work I must write my own reports for practice instead of getting the student to do it for me! hehehe
torz
| QUOTE (torzzzzz) | ||
Thanks for that, I will tell them when we next play! This is incorrect. These are two independent clauses incorreclt joined by a comma; as they are two separate sentences, you could either end the first with a period and start the second or join both with a semicolon. Oh and I wait with Bated breath for my next lesson on English Language! As Oh is an interjection, there should be a comma after it. Bated should not be capitalized, as it is an adjective. The convention is to refer to the english language using the definite article, the, as in the English language. Language should also not be capitalized at random, as it is not a proper noun (no, English Language is not a compound proper noun, either). Thanks! Note: At work I must write my own reports for practice instead of getting the student to do it for me! hehehe What is "hehehe"? I do not recognize this word. torz Smileys are not acceptable parts of speech. Grammar Nazis demand your papers, miss. We know where you live |
Is it just me, or is this getting a little out of hand? I realize she's worse than most posters here, but, hey, I can beat up on most of you for minor grammar and spelling deficiencies fairly often, but I don't really see the point.
Of course, if this forum were run by sane, sensible administrators, we'd have an off topic forum in which to start a grammar thread and other such nonsense. Alas, not so, and I'm sure the Forum Nazis'll crack down soon enough.
If this forum were run by sane, sensible administrators, it would be full of flamewars in no time.
LOL, I will just pick myself up off the floor.
torz x
Papers Sir!
torz x
Papers Sir!
Arethusa -- Your browser is obviously outdated, or you would have noticed the effects of my <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags.
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What's this word?
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What's this word? |
A typo. Sieg heil!
I'd love to learn to speak more languages. I'd like, ideally, to begin by learning the "American" language, so I might understand more of the Dumpshock posters.
Such significant differences between tongues, even with the massive similarities do, I admit, make it difficult for me. I still wince every time I see the word color or the like - it takes a time to remember that it si the correct spelling for the Collonial folk.
And Trousers... bloody trousers...
Such significant differences between tongues, even with the massive similarities do, I admit, make it difficult for me. I still wince every time I see the word color or the like - it takes a time to remember that it si the correct spelling for the Collonial folk.
And Trousers... bloody trousers...
You think you have it bad? Try having english (any variant) as your bloody tertiary language. Thank you, dictionary.com, for expanding my vocabulary beyond 150 words
Did anyone else go temporarily blind when they saw Arethusa's second to last post?
| QUOTE (Drain Brain) |
| And Trousers... bloody trousers... |
I got the strangest looks from my flatmates when I said that I had to change my pants before going out to the clubs.
| QUOTE (Drain Brain) |
| I'd love to learn to speak more languages. I'd like, ideally, to begin by learning the "American" language, so I might understand more of the Dumpshock posters. Such significant differences between tongues, even with the massive similarities do, I admit, make it difficult for me. I still wince every time I see the word color or the like - it takes a time to remember that it si the correct spelling for the Collonial folk. And Trousers... bloody trousers... |
You peoples with your chips and your biscuits and your LIFTS...
Excellent filmmakers, though.
| QUOTE (Drain Brain) |
| - it takes a time to remember that it si the correct spelling for the Collonial folk. |
Yeah, I know. See we over here in America spell "Collonial" as "Colonial"
| QUOTE (Smiley @ Mar 3 2005, 11:22 PM) |
| You peoples with your chips and your biscuits and your LIFTS... |
Not to mention their suspenders and their pickups.
| QUOTE (Chibu) | ||
3 dice for the pistol skill + 3 dice from combat pool = 6 dice Called shot: Brain Pan (makes it 6M damage) aiming for 6 turns = TN 2 likely successes: 4 that's 6D damage. The average human doesn't wear armour. rolling 3 dice = Dead. |
Right. But that same moderately skilled (3 skill) pistoleer could do the same exact thing much easier with a decent (in SR, read: heavy) pistol.
Aim for a simple action (TN 3), six dice would net 4 successes, making the 9M Ares Predator deal 9D damage. Have his target dummy roll the same 3 Body dice against the same "no armor" TN, and he's every bit as dead.
In 1/3 of the time. Without the need for a called shot.
No one's saying that it's impossible to kill someone with a light pistol. Just that they're worthless when held up against other pistols.
You can't aim for six turns. You may take as many aim actions in a row as half your weapon skill... so the guy with a skill of three can only aim once, bringing his target number down to 9.
JaronK
JaronK
The other 'problem' is that light pistols are not really any more concealable than their heavy counterparts... IIRC, the Walther PB-120 has conceal 8... or you could get a Morrissey Elite, which can actually hurt someone, and has concealability 7...
The Elite is just as hard to get (both are avail 6) and costs less too
(PB-120 700 SI 2, Elite 550 SI .5)
So 2800 (after smartlink) for a ligth pistol or 550 (after smartlink) for a heavy pistol...
If you went with a ceska vz/120 which has conceal of 7, it would still cost more (500 SI .
(stree cost after smartlink of 800Y)...
The Elite is just as hard to get (both are avail 6) and costs less too
(PB-120 700 SI 2, Elite 550 SI .5)
So 2800 (after smartlink) for a ligth pistol or 550 (after smartlink) for a heavy pistol...
If you went with a ceska vz/120 which has conceal of 7, it would still cost more (500 SI .
(stree cost after smartlink of 800Y)...
I'm still a fan of the Walther PB-120, despite the 6L damage code. The conceal of 8 is just high enough to make it worth it. Concealable Quickdraw holster plus a Ulysses Line Greatcoat makes it a TN of 15 to detect, or you can just stick it in your pocket for a base 8 to conceal.
For concealable Heavy Pistols, the Morissey Elite is definitely the way to go, for all of the advantages stated above.
For concealable Heavy Pistols, the Morissey Elite is definitely the way to go, for all of the advantages stated above.
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| Oh and I wait with Bated breath for my next lesson on English Language! Thanks! |
Lessons resume. American English is a bastardization of about half a dozen or more different languages. Old Country English, spanish, Latin, Italian, Gaelic, German, French, to name a few...
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