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So will this be stream lined just like SR3? With all the rules in one book just like SR3? I mean I'd never have to buy another book again right?
Call me skeptical, and Oh boy am I, but I'll wait and see what they're hawking here before I decide to buy in.
How soon before I can expect announcements about Man and Machine 2.0, MiTS 2.0, Rigger 4, etc...? Because they're is simplely no way you people could fit it all in one book, that's under a thousand pages.
Call me skeptical, and Oh boy am I, but I'll wait and see what they're hawking here before I decide to buy in.
How soon before I can expect announcements about Man and Machine 2.0, MiTS 2.0, Rigger 4, etc...? Because they're is simplely no way you people could fit it all in one book, that's under a thousand pages.
Let's clear this up: The idea is not that there will never be expansions, or that you won't ever want to purchase another SR book -- let's be honest, that's not in FanPro's interest.
The situation in SR3 is such that the expansions have moved well beyond "expansion" and have almost become a de-facto part of the "core" rules. That's sub-optimal for everyone involved; players and GMs have more books to buy to get a "complete" game, and players, GMs, and developers ALL have one more book to consult for specific rules.
SR4 wants to solve that as much as possible by covering these kind of rules in the main rulebook. With the previous experiences from SR1-3, the developers have a reasonable idea what kind of rules from expansions are most frequently treated as core rules, and it's absolutely in their interests to get them (well, their SR4 equivalents when applicable anyway) into the core.
The situation in SR3 is such that the expansions have moved well beyond "expansion" and have almost become a de-facto part of the "core" rules. That's sub-optimal for everyone involved; players and GMs have more books to buy to get a "complete" game, and players, GMs, and developers ALL have one more book to consult for specific rules.
SR4 wants to solve that as much as possible by covering these kind of rules in the main rulebook. With the previous experiences from SR1-3, the developers have a reasonable idea what kind of rules from expansions are most frequently treated as core rules, and it's absolutely in their interests to get them (well, their SR4 equivalents when applicable anyway) into the core.
| QUOTE (Neuron Basher) |
| Let's clear this up: The idea is not that there will never be expansions, or that you won't ever want to purchase another SR book -- let's be honest, that's not in FanPro's interest. |
Let's also be honest: It's ridiculous.
As time progresses, there are going to be things that we need additional information about. Things that aren't commonplace in August 2005, but may become common over time as SR4 progresses. It makes sense.
| QUOTE (Neuron Basher) |
| Let's clear this up: The idea is not that there will never be expansions, or that you won't ever want to purchase another SR book -- let's be honest, that's not in FanPro's interest. The situation in SR3 is such that the expansions have moved well beyond "expansion" and have almost become a de-facto part of the "core" rules. That's sub-optimal for everyone involved; players and GMs have more books to buy to get a "complete" game, and players, GMs, and developers ALL have one more book to consult for specific rules. SR4 wants to solve that as much as possible by covering these kind of rules in the main rulebook. With the previous experiences from SR1-3, the developers have a reasonable idea what kind of rules from expansions are most frequently treated as core rules, and it's absolutely in their interests to get them (well, their SR4 equivalents when applicable anyway) into the core. |
Thanks. That's exactly the sort of response I wanted to hear-I'd say you guys ar at least playing this one out better than SR3 did. I'll try and keep an open mind.
| QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0) |
| Let's also be honest: It's ridiculous. As time progresses, there are going to be things that we need additional information about. Things that aren't commonplace in August 2005, but may become common over time as SR4 progresses. It makes sense. |
Huh? I said that expansions are going to make sense and are going to be appropriate over time. My point remains that one of the over-arching goals is to consolidate core rules into as small a footprint of books as possible. With the benefit of hindsight into SR3 and which types of things that are scattered are treated as must-use rules, more of those types of issues can be covered in the core book.
I don't dispute that expansions will be desirable over time, but the goal is to make the core as flexible as possible so that the enhancments can do just that -- enhance, rather than replacing entire game sub-systems which we see a lot of today.
| QUOTE (Paul) |
| Thanks. That's exactly the sort of response I wanted to hear-I'd say you guys ar at least playing this one out better than SR3 did. I'll try and keep an open mind. |
You're welcome. For clarification's sake, I'm neither working on the design nor playtesting SR4, I just have some basic background information, but I'm more excited about the prospects for Shadowrun than I have been in a long time. I can't wait to see the completed SR4.
| QUOTE (Neuron Basher) | ||
Huh? I said that expansions are going to make sense and are going to be appropriate over time. My point remains that one of the over-arching goals is to consolidate core rules into as small a footprint of books as possible. With the benefit of hindsight into SR3 and which types of things that are scattered are treated as must-use rules, more of those types of issues can be covered in the core book. I don't dispute that expansions will be desirable over time, but the goal is to make the core as flexible as possible so that the enhancments can do just that -- enhance, rather than replacing entire game sub-systems which we see a lot of today. |
I wasn't addressing my comment to you.
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We're doomed! Doomed I say! DOOOMMMMEEDD!!!!
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Hey, isn't something missing here, on theses forums?
Why, yes, it is.
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After a long absence, greetings to all the admins and cool people here...
Why, yes, it is.
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After a long absence, greetings to all the admins and cool people here...
| QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0) |
| I wasn't addressing my comment to you. |
I thought you were addressing him, as well, because you quoted him. Who were you addressing?
Hmm... I hope the new book is burgundy...
(Certainly better than blank!)
(Certainly better than blank!)
| QUOTE (Pistons) | ||
I thought you were addressing him, as well, because you quoted him. Who were you addressing? |
the same user he quoted. My comment was a personal addendum.
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